The Black Prince - New Film Based On Sikh Maharajah Duleep Singh

[StarStriker]

Is this a pathan type paghs, which i believe was the "in-thing" during sikh raj? Id imagine hari singh nalwa got influenced from the locals and made it in fashion. Or am i wrong?

[jkvlondon]

14 minutes ago, StarStriker said:

Is this a pathan type paghs, which i believe was the "in-thing" during sikh raj? Id imagine hari singh nalwa got influenced from the locals and made it in fashion. Or am i wrong?

remember this is a royal comissioned painting and he was mona by this point so this more like a victorian fantasia on the supposed costume of the sikhs . His own father's dastaar was small and simple ...

[Guest Jacfsing2]

1 hour ago, StarStriker said:

Who's a gadhar?

Who converted to Christianity is the one who's a Ghadar

1 hour ago, genie said:

How you come to that conclusion that he was a ghadar?

convert to Christianity, 

Oh look, you answered your own question and yet still asking Daas why he's a Ghadar.

[genie]

6 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Who converted to Christianity is the one who's a Ghadar

Oh look, you answered your own question and yet still asking Daas why he's a Ghadar.

who was forced to convert to Christianity and groomed to become a christian by his british guardians

again how does that make him a ghadar? someone at 10years old forced to convert to Christianity

[Guest Jacfsing2]

5 minutes ago, genie said:

who was forced to convert to Christianity and groomed to become a christian by his british guardians

again how does that make him a ghadar? someone at 10years old forced to convert to Christianity

What did his new religion do to Punjab everyone knows. From building a big cathedral/clock near Harmandir Sahib, to missionaries to this day decreasing our population and brainwashing the innocent Dalits with money, Shastar ban, limit Sikhi prachar, Jalialwala Bagh, as well as others: this is just Punjab, imagine the entire subcontinent and even further how these Christians massacared the Indigenous people everywhere. For that reason he's a Ghadar. Punjab was split and now because of this Christian-Lover, Sikhs haven't had any real power in the world.

[genie]

6 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

What did his new religion do to Punjab everyone knows. From building a big cathedral/clock near Harmandir Sahib, to missionaries to this day decreasing our population and brainwashing the innocent Dalits with money, Shastar ban, limit Sikhi prachar, Jalialwala Bagh, as well as others: this is just Punjab, imagine the entire subcontinent and even further how these Christians massacared the Indigenous people everywhere. For that reason he's a Ghadar. Punjab was split and now because of this Christian-Lover, Sikhs haven't had any real power in the world.

Yes thats all true about the Christians british white imperialists

However how is that his fault? a 10year old forced to convert to Christianity

Who was groomed to learn the ways of the english and live like them if he wanted to survive in England. How was what the british christian white invaders did in punjab any of it his fault? I fail to see how he is a ghadar particularly as he actively fault against the british rule in later life and tried to regain his lost sovereignty after re-discovering his sikh roots thanks to efforts made by his mother jindan.

what your doing is a bit like victim blaming, so for example if a woman was raped or a man mugged you blame the victim (duleep singh) rather than the actual aggressor thief (the british) who is really to blame for what happened to punjab and thus fate of the Sikhs.

[CHaamCHrick]

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[TigerForce1]

Let's face it Sikhi was sidelined by Maharaja Ranjit Singh way before the British set their sights on the Punjab.  The Nihung Singhs had already started to protest against Ranjit Singhs anti-Sikh ways and it would have just been a matter of time before there would have been a violent clash between the secular monarchy and the real Sikhs of the time.  Duleep Singhs fate was already destined to be separated from Sikhi.  Maharaja Ranjit Singh had brilliant qualities of a leader but his lavish and anti-Sikh lifestyle is the reason we are facing the problems of being stateless today.

Although the story of Duleep Singh is sad we must not forget that the Sikh 'nishaana' of the time was never to be ruled by a secular Monarch but to establish 'Khalsa Raj' and to be led by the 'Khalsa'.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

7 hours ago, genie said:

what your doing is a bit like victim blaming, so for example if a woman was raped or a man mugged you blame the victim (duleep singh) rather than the actual aggressor thief (the british) who is really to blame for what happened to punjab and thus fate of the Sikhs.

Personally Daas thinks the ingenious American peoples who converted to Christianity were also Ghadars; especially the South American tribal royalty. Even the Pope states the forced conversion of the the Americas was a crime against humanity: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/world/americas/24pope.html There are Ghadars on all sides; whether it's the form of South America or whether it's from the East and Sub-continentals. As far as I'm concerned the only reasonable thing they did for their faith was to protect their holy land from the Muslims in the Crusades, (even though I feel they were on the right side; they were still wrong once they freed their holy lands)

[jkvlondon]

9 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Personally Daas thinks the ingenious American peoples who converted to Christianity were also Ghadars; especially the South American tribal royalty. Even the Pope states the forced conversion of the the Americas was a crime against humanity: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/world/americas/24pope.html There are Ghadars on all sides; whether it's the form of South America or whether it's from the East and Sub-continentals. As far as I'm concerned the only reasonable thing they did for their faith was to protect their holy land from the Muslims in the Crusades, (even though I feel they were on the right side; they were still wrong once they freed their holy lands)

ingenious = clever or indigenous= of the land, native ....

RC conversions were done at the point of a sword after massacres upon massacres and enslavement...at the time RC church was after the gold so didn't care  it's all very well sitting on top of a pile of booty to say sookhi sorry

They were forced by circumstance of possible onwards march towards Rome to defend else they were quite happy to ignore the local problem.