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sikhni777    551
On 14/02/2017 at 3:46 AM, Guest London jwaan said:

Just reading through the posts on this board, watching the sikh TV channels and reading what is happening in punjab, leads me to the conclusion that at a higher level, our community is set for destruction, largely through our own stupidity. Sikhs are our own worst enemies.

These days there is simply more publicity. One little happening spreads everywhere like fire. This does not mean that new events are taking place, it simply means that we are becoming more aware of them taking place. Fights and disagreements in the Guradwaras have always been there, only more publicised now. 

The true Sikhs still exist, however they are not too keen on publicising themselves. Youngsters are more educated and know more about religion than the older generation. Online learning has created more learning opportunities for youngsters than ever. Online harmonium tunes, online path, online shabads are easily available to those who wish to learn sikhi. Online katha is there for youngsters and elders alike to listen whenever they desire. 

Publicised news does not necessarily carry out the opinions or convinces the majority. We now live in a more informed and educative age than ever before. Any willing soul has resources available to them abundantly online. SGGS can be referred to and read in one instant. Thanks to those Sikhs who have tirelessly worked to make this possible. 

There have always been divisions amongst the Sikhs. Even in the Gurus times, there was always a family member who was opposed to the Gurus, right from the time of Guru Nanak Dev JI. His sons Lakhmi chand and Sri chand had their own version of what sikhi is. However that did not mean that sikhi was going to die out. The same applies today. It is the small steps which each one of us takes as an individual which will determine what the future of sikhi will be for our youngsters when they take control. 

There are lots of people performing constant seva in some Guradwaras, and keeping them up and running. These skirmishes when publicised also give our youngsters a good example of what is right and what is wrong. As future leaders they will need to take decisions and sort out their differences themselves. For all these uneducated masses there always arises one educated person who eventually takes control and provides the right guidance. Therefore the role that every individual plays is of utmost importance, be it even by just providing suggestions.  

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Jacfsing2    1,828
18 hours ago, Guest London jwan said:

Actually no. What you said was not clear, it was essentially a copy paste of https://www.telegraphindia.com/1100307/jsp/7days/story_12187144.jsp

And rather than give a Yes or no, you deflected the question back to me. For the avoidance of doubt, yes I believe maharajah ranjit Singh, the maharajah of the sikh Kingdom was sikh. I dint agree with the fact that he had multiple wives, but that does not make him non-sikh to me. It means he made personal choices that I wouldn't.

Once again, are your saying he wasn't sikh?

A simple Yes or no will suffice rather than a tony Blair type answer......

If Ranjit Singh was a Sikh, he would be worse of a Sikh in terms of Sikhi than that Sunny Hundal, maybe even worse than the ones we consider Ghadars today. If he just had a few extra wives it would be alright, (many of the Khalistani Gursikhs had to marry more than once as unmarried women weren't allowed to fight), but he didn't just have extra wives, he had sexual relations with women who weren't any of his wives. There are only 4 Bhujer Kurehits and he did at least one of them. Maybe even more, as he'd probably take intoxicants, and since he was an SJW probably had Halal to please the Muslims.

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3 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If Ranjit Singh was a Sikh, he would be worse of a Sikh in terms of Sikhi than that Sunny Hundal, maybe even worse than the ones we consider Ghadars today. If he just had a few extra wives it would be alright, (many of the Khalistani Gursikhs had to marry more than once as unmarried women weren't allowed to fight), but he didn't just have extra wives, he had sexual relations with women who weren't any of his wives. There are only 4 Bhujer Kurehits and he did at least one of them. Maybe even more, as he'd probably take intoxicants, and since he was an SJW probably had Halal to please the Muslims.

Sunny hundal aint sikh though he is a very low iq pendu atheist punjabi jatt. The lowest form of lifs is one that denies God and sikhi. And hundal is that.

As for maharajah ranjit singh he started off as a sikh then progressively became a hindu punjabi due to excesses of wealth, intoxicants, hindu dogra/brahmin advisers infiltrating his darbar govt. Multiple wives is allowed in sikhi so thats no real argument but his other antics push him in to the camp of hp's in his mid to later life.

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sikhni777    551
18 hours ago, Guest Logical said:

Sunny hundal aint sikh though he is a very low iq pendu atheist punjabi jatt. The lowest form of lifs is one that denies God and sikhi. And hundal is that.

As for maharajah ranjit singh he started off as a sikh then progressively became a hindu punjabi due to excesses of wealth, intoxicants, hindu dogra/brahmin advisers infiltrating his darbar govt. Multiple wives is allowed in sikhi so thats no real argument but his other antics push him in to the camp of hp's in his mid to later life.

Is this fact about hIm from some old or some new rewritten literature to lead astray the young?

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Guest london jwaan   
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Like JKVlondon, I'm afraid Guest Logical, that youre talking out of your Jagsaw. Where exactly in Sikhism is it written that you can have multiple wives??

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Jacfsing2    1,828
21 hours ago, Guest Logical said:

Sunny hundal aint sikh though he is a very low iq pendu atheist punjabi jatt. The lowest form of lifs is one that denies God and sikhi. And hundal is that.

As for maharajah ranjit singh he started off as a sikh then progressively became a hindu punjabi due to excesses of wealth, intoxicants, hindu dogra/brahmin advisers infiltrating his darbar govt. Multiple wives is allowed in sikhi so thats no real argument but his other antics push him in to the camp of hp's in his mid to later life.

Where is it allowed? Even the Khalistani Shaheeds that had to marry more than once because unmarried women couldn't fight for the movement were hesitant about what they were doing, but this Ranjit Singh just marries people like it's him buying a near pair of jeans.

22 minutes ago, Guest london jwaan said:

Where exactly in Sikhism is it written that you can have multiple wives??

Nowhere! 

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dallysingh101    1,582
On 2/17/2017 at 9:47 AM, Jacfsing2 said:

If Ranjit Singh was a Sikh, he would be worse of a Sikh in terms of Sikhi than that Sunny Hundal, maybe even worse than the ones we consider Ghadars today. If he just had a few extra wives it would be alright, (many of the Khalistani Gursikhs had to marry more than once as unmarried women weren't allowed to fight), but he didn't just have extra wives, he had sexual relations with women who weren't any of his wives. There are only 4 Bhujer Kurehits and he did at least one of them. Maybe even more, as he'd probably take intoxicants, and since he was an SJW probably had Halal to please the Muslims.

He didn't eat halal. He was very careful about what he ate. I remember reading that only certain people were allowed to cook for him and that the food would be locked up afterwards. Being poisoned by his competitors would be a real issue for him. 

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Guest london jwaan   
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dailysingh101, there is no point trying to highlight facts. The modus operandi on this forum is madness, ie make up your own historical facts, suppositions etc. And if anyone disagrees, they are not sikh.

Based on the same lack of evidence, jacfsingh Maybe even more, as he'd probably take intoxicants, and since he was an SJW probably had Halal to please the Muslims I could just as easily declare that you are probably high on drugs when you make such claims.

If Carlsberg made nonsensical forums, this would probably be the best in the world............

I'm afraid you too sir, are talking right out of your jagsaw...........

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dallysingh101    1,582
8 hours ago, Guest london jwaan said:

dailysingh101, there is no point trying to highlight facts. The modus operandi on this forum is madness, ie make up your own historical facts, suppositions etc. And if anyone disagrees, they are not sikh.

Based on the same lack of evidence, jacfsingh Maybe even more, as he'd probably take intoxicants, and since he was an SJW probably had Halal to please the Muslims I could just as easily declare that you are probably high on drugs when you make such claims.

If Carlsberg made nonsensical forums, this would probably be the best in the world............

I'm afraid you too sir, are talking right out of your jagsaw...........

No man, there is a mixture of people here. Ket information out, and those that are blessed with buddhi will know how to evaluate it. Those that Guru ji hasn't blessed with this will think within the parameters of their limitations. 

Anyway, here is a quote from Honigberger who was one of Ranjit Singh's doctors talking about food prohibitions:

 

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Food prohibitions of Sikhs and Hindus.

The spirit produced from Cabul grapes, for the use of Runjeet Sing, was distilled in that place in my presence, by his own people, because everything eatable or drinkable, destined for Sikhs and Hindoos, must be prepared by their own hands, no Christian or Musselman being permitted to touch it, lest they should pollute it.

 

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