95% of Sikhs living stupid lifestyle?

[dallysingh101]

 

[MisterrSingh]

He makes valid arguments.

I tell you what's worrying: the coalescing of a certain brand of western liberalism with the exclusively progressive aspects of the Sikh faith, that conveniently eschews the complex and grey areas of Sikh philosophy. It's practically a forcible rewriting of our history. There's something quite insidious transpiring right under our noses.

[Guest Jacfsing2]

Hopefully our people don't get into the same collapse the Hindu Kahashatriya people did where all they did was nothing. (Daas may be ignorant due to having not knowing many Sikh people, but what percent actually makes Pakhand in the Bhangra crowd).

[dallysingh101]

On 1/30/2017 at 8:57 PM, MisterrSingh said:

He makes valid arguments.

I tell you what's worrying: the coalescing of a certain brand of western liberalism with the exclusively progressive aspects of the Sikh faith, that conveniently eschews the complex and grey areas of Sikh philosophy. It's practically a forcible rewriting of our history. There's something quite insidious transpiring right under our noses.

I believe this process started during colonialism. Anglos pretty quickly started to emphasise their perceived analogous relationship between Sikhs and Hindus as similar to that of Protestants and Roman Catholics. Many prominent people amongst our lot brought into this hook, line and sinker. And so began this strange relationship where influential apnay projected Sikhi through the lens of their imperial masters creating 'Sikhism'. So this is no new process but the culmination of a process that has been going on for at least a century.  

It explains a lot. Especially the subtle sidelining of Dasam Granth. 

[dallysingh101]

Jagraj bhai ji (of BoS) points out that Anglos played some weird Jedi mind tricks on our lot (like 'Sikhs don't preach and convert!") and we quickly brought into it despite our own Sikh culture and history clearly being the very opposite direction. It's the same with all the 'race' theory crap our people brought into. I mean it so obviously goes against Sikh conceptualisations of Sikh society but many of our lot jumped on it because it made them feel 'special'. It's really cringeworthy to see how our lot are so easy to manipulate like this. And the other side must be in hysterics at our gullibility (I don't know about half devil but 'half child' for real!) 

We're only seeing people starting to question a lot of obvious bull5hit put in our heads now. When any outsiders (like the English) can come in and in effect set the very fundamentals of our faith, and that too for decades/centuries, we're clearly in deep trouble and missing something VERY important. 

How many things that we consider as Sikh are actually Anglo additions or influence? Like the whole Charitrio Pakyaan prudery! Given this, are we really surprised that we still have hordes of apnay that think that Sikhi is somehow in complete alignment with western liberal thought. Though I should point out that the other extreme of narrow minded clannishness isn't much better of an option long-term either.

 

 

[MisterrSingh]

51 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

I believe this process started during colonialism. Anglos pretty quickly started to emphasise their perceived analogous relationship between Sikhs and Hindus as similar to that of Protestants and Roman Catholics. Many prominent people amongst our lot brought into this hook, line and sinker. And so began this strange relationship where influential apnay projected Sikhi through the lens of their imperial masters creating 'Sikhism'. So this is no new process but the culmination of a process that has been going on for at least a century.  

It explains a lot. Especially the subtle sidelining of Dasam Granth. 

The Uncle Toms in our community (more so the apparently smart, younger generation) have fallen for this hook, line, and sinker. It's like a Diet Sikhi version of the faith that's being peddled; a watered-down interpretation that's filtered exclusively through Western thought. Why are our bhandars doing the other side's work for them when they should be rallying against it? Is it really so basic as throwing out centuries of quite nuanced and considerate tradition for something that's less of a hassle to digest and follow, regardless of whether it's rooted in any genuine precedence? We're a cheap, shallow people, and it disgusts me. Bunch of mugs.

[dallysingh101]

2 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

The Uncle Toms in our community (more so the apparently smart, younger generation) have fallen for this hook, line, and sinker. It's like a Diet Sikhi version of the faith that's being peddled; a watered-down interpretation that's filtered exclusively through Western thought. Why are our bhandars doing the other side's work for them when they should be rallying against it? Is it really so basic as throwing out centuries of quite nuanced and considerate tradition for something that's less of a hassle to digest and follow, regardless of whether it's rooted in any genuine precedence? We're a cheap, shallow people, and it disgusts me. Bunch of mugs.

That's also a long term consequence of the post-annexation 'dumbing down' of Sikhs through the newly introduced 'british educational models'. I mean they either hung, imprisoned or interned any freedom loving free thinkers and put more conformist types on a pedestal for the masses. 

It gets hard to even blame people for being mugs when they've been led for centuries by people who've compromised themselves. What can we expect under those circumstances? 

[MisterrSingh]

10 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

What can we expect under those circumstances? 

Yes, ultimately it's the sellouts that play both sides for their own gain that have let the side down. They're still at it to this day, a prime example being the Badals.

[joker]

i thought sikhi was a way to god not to live in a time bubble .Must not use technogy watch football and live in a mud hut to be religiously cleansed.I want the happy things in life not a boring existence

[jkvlondon]

On 31/01/2017 at 0:57 PM, joker said:

i thought sikhi was a way to god not to live in a time bubble .Must not use technogy watch football and live in a mud hut to be religiously cleansed.I want the happy things in life not a boring existence

being a sikh is very interesting you learn masses of different languages to communicate with others, you socialise with people and help the unfortunate instead of wasting time sitting in front of a box which hynotises you and indoctrinates your mind to consume more and destroy the planet . Sikhi is timeless just like God , football as a formal sport is only about one hundred years old and TV only just over 60 years , do you think people didn't have fun or happiness before ? Just use your talents and body in a positive, life-enhancing way , become skilled in martial arts , physically stronger /faster , challenge yourself . Sports on TV and the other programming is designed to brainwash and anaethetise humans so they don't notice the shackles being put on them mentally , finanacially and physically. Be awake , watch sports , play sports , use tech but be aware and in control