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Im sorry but celibacy is not recommended in sikhi. Therefore celibacy within marriage is also not recommended unless both partners are at that avastha.

Remember we had that one bibi complaining about her Gursikh husband? That he was too emotionless? Stable marriages are important, we need to have grihsti, householder lifestyle

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Watch the videos i posted above n provide counterargument to those.

Ofc, a sikh should let nothing in life interfere with Amritvela, Naam Kamai, and Gurbani. So if these important things are being done, continue with your householder life. You and your wife need to come up with your own restrictions and healthy way of living.

Sikhi does not have many rules, for that reason so that people can come up with rules for what works for them in their specific situations. So use ur budhi/ intelligence to set limits at where nothing interferes with kamaaing sikhi

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1 hour ago, Not2Cool2Argue said:

Im sorry but celibacy is not recommended in sikhi. Therefore celibacy within marriage is also not recommended unless both partners are at that avastha.

Remember we had that one bibi complaining about her Gursikh husband? That he was too emotionless? Stable marriages are important, we need to have grihsti, householder lifestyle

Celibacy ALONE in sikhi is not approved in sikhi.  Celibacy for a person who is not married is approved in sikhi.  And there is no such thing as celibacy in sikhi once a person is married.  

Any amount of people complaining does not speak for what sikhi teaches.  That bibi should understand she is in the wrong and her husband is taking her on the correct path.  Sikhi marriage is about uplifting the partner and not about focusing on emtions and bringing the other partner down to lower animal instincts.  A stable marriage is one who does not let emotions run their lives and applies sikhi as therr driving force.  

 

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8 hours ago, Guest Kadeykadey said:

And you should be the last one to be preaching over here!  There is no evidence of homos either during that time!  What a hypocrite. Heteros had too many kids 'cos all they had in those days was bedroom entertainment and nothing else.  Bollywood and television entertainment were not invented till recently to keep their pathetically lazy and useless minds occupied. Let's face it, how many people in those days could read or write with Punjabi blood running in their veins? They never could read newspapers, novels, medical journals or even a simple comic in those days, could they? Their unoccupied minds ran wild, created havoc at every moment of their lives.  Contraception  became extremely important to stop producing unwanted army of hooligans meaning unruly, unwanted kids!  Some kids never even went to school if they were born in a pennd. All sex is lust therefore should only be used in an emergency like when couples want to have a child to increase the size of their family. Honestly you are such a hypocrite. 

 

maybe you should stop talking , your brain is escaping from your mouth , sikhs of Guru ji's time had big families and were vidhvaan of high order as well as warriors Bhai Mati Das's family had so many shaheeds how comes your theory doesn't count them as hooligans too ...

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8 hours ago, Guest Kadeykadey said:

And you should be the last one to be preaching over here!  There is no evidence of homos either during that time!  What a hypocrite. Heteros had too many kids 'cos all they had in those days was bedroom entertainment and nothing else.  Bollywood and television entertainment were not invented till recently to keep their pathetically lazy and useless minds occupied. Let's face it, how many people in those days could read or write with Punjabi blood running in their veins? They never could read newspapers, novels, medical journals or even a simple comic in those days, could they? Their unoccupied minds ran wild, created havoc at every moment of their lives.  Contraception  became extremely important to stop producing unwanted army of hooligans meaning unruly, unwanted kids!  Some kids never even went to school if they were born in a pennd. All sex is lust therefore should only be used in an emergency like when couples want to have a child to increase the size of their family. Honestly you are such a hypocrite. 

Honestly you sound like a buffon. People didn't have kids cause they were bored; they had kids because in those days the idea was both to keep your legacy alive as well as keep the Sikh population high from birth rates and conversion, (neither of which happens enough now days).

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On 20/02/2017 at 8:17 PM, Guest Kadeykadey said:

And you should be the last one to be preaching over here!  There is no evidence of homos either during that time!  What a hypocrite. Heteros had too many kids 'cos all they had in those days was bedroom entertainment and nothing else.  Bollywood and television entertainment were not invented till recently to keep their pathetically lazy and useless minds occupied. Let's face it, how many people in those days could read or write with Punjabi blood running in their veins? They never could read newspapers, novels, medical journals or even a simple comic in those days, could they? Their unoccupied minds ran wild, created havoc at every moment of their lives.  Contraception  became extremely important to stop producing unwanted army of hooligans meaning unruly, unwanted kids!  Some kids never even went to school if they were born in a pennd. All sex is lust therefore should only be used in an emergency like when couples want to have a child to increase the size of their family. Honestly you are such a hypocrite. 

 

I stopped reading you after the line in bold ! Homos always were, are and always will be ! Quran and bible both mention homosexuality , albeit forbiddingly, but hey it mentions it ! Homos back then were single or married women. They might have been some of the best pracharaks and dedicated to guru because they didn't have any family obligation.

HOMOS Definitely existed before all the bullsh*t religions that condemn us and will continue existing after all religions are dead and long gone ! 

Truth triumps in the end ! 

PS: The fact that gurbani doesn't mention homosexuality is evidence of the fact that 

1) gurbani only deals with spiritual theme

2) Sexuality is irrelevant to spiritual growth

3) Gurus didn't condemn or condone it, but remained neutral . 

Are you saying guru ji were not aware of 'kateb' (collective term for abrahamic religions books) where homosexuality is clearly mentioned ?

In other active thread someone wondering reasons of downfall for sikh masses, well homophobia like yours is the one ! 

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33 minutes ago, HarkiranKaur said:

 

Intimacy with husband and wife goes way beyond sexual pleasure. There is a reason the Gurus encouraged gristi jiwan. Sexual union is way more than physical. It's literally the merging of two souls into one as spiritual energy is shared between them. It's a part of being husband and wife. Procreation is only one reason for it and certainly it's up to the couple how many children they want or can afford. But just because family planning is done does not mean the husband and wife then part ways physically and become as brother and sister? In Gurbani marriage (and even sexual union) are used as metaphors because its the closest thing we can understand to our merging with akal purakh. When we merge with our spouse, we are living out that metaphor and it can be (in right circumstances and not done for mere physical pleasure) a deeply spiritual event. However outside marriage its too simple to just say this is paap that is paap. It's deeper than that. It's harmful spiritually because spiritual energy is exchanged / shared between the couple. So its not like abrahamic religions that say fire and brimstone if you do this or dont do that. For Sikhs hell is being separated from Akal Purakh Waheguru. And by mingling many spiritual energies and that too for only physical pleasure, its only us who lose out in the end because it brings us further away from our goal and hence that is the hell. But to answer the OP, yes contraception is fine in a committed marriage. Celebacy is not advocated in marriage by any of the Gurus. If a couple has finished family planning then they are not expected to just stop being intimate with each other. Or else IVF can become the new norm. Why even bother with sex at all if you can make a baby in a test tube and the couple never has to touch each other at all!  In fact, asceticism is actively spoken against in Gurbani. There is no rule that I am aware of in any rehet maryada in existence that says otherwise (but correct me if I am wrong). 

 

Present Gurbani which says husband and wife sexual relations is a spiritual experience.

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