Sikhi gyaan marg or bhakti marg

[nehkeval]

There are two schools of spirituality - which one do you think sikhi belong to 

Gyaan marg vs bhakti marg

(i) No Symbols of god - he is the universe  vs  God definitely needs a symbol

For sikhs  it has become Saroop of sggs and the confines of gurdwara 

(ii) No rituals are ever needed  vs Rituals are a must

In sikhi context we have started chavar, akahand paths, jot, sukhasan , prakash , expensive palkis , keep the saroop in AC / blankets (e.g I don't keep my phone in AC which also has the same SGGS in electronic format ) 

(iii) Meditation is the only way to find him - Pancha ka gur ek dhyan vs chanting or reciting (while mind is wandering in thorughts) or paying others to recite for you (as in outsourced akhand paths )

(iv) No miracles - only laws of nature which do not discriminate against materialistic person or favor spiritual one vs For  your worldly needs beseech god - e.g cure diseases, pass exams , success in business etc.

(v) No sectarianism - all humanity is absolutely one (Na ko hindu na musalmaan) vs A sect is almost always formed because our ego makes us  gel with people who follow same symbolism  as us , so now we have sikhi becoming a sect and not much of a way to live a full life and cut the cycle of rebirths.  

 

 

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48 minutes ago, nehkeval said:

There are two schools of spirituality - which one do you think sikhi belong to 

Gyaan marg vs bhakti marg

(i) No Symbols of god - he is the universe  vs  God definitely needs a symbol

For sikhs  it has become Saroop of sggs and the confines of gurdwara 

(ii) No rituals are ever needed  vs Rituals are a must

In sikhi context we have started chavar, akahand paths, jot, sukhasan , prakash , expensive palkis , keep the saroop in AC / blankets (e.g I don't keep my phone in AC which also has the same SGGS in electronic format ) 

(iii) Meditation is the only way to find him - Pancha ka gur ek dhyan vs chanting or reciting (while mind is wandering in thorughts) or paying others to recite for you (as in outsourced akhand paths )

(iv) No miracles - only laws of nature which do not discriminate against materialistic person or favor spiritual one vs For  your worldly needs beseech god - e.g cure diseases, pass exams , success in business etc.

(v) No sectarianism - all humanity is absolutely one (Na ko hindu na musalmaan) vs A sect is almost always formed because our ego makes us  gel with people who follow same symbolism  as us , so now we have sikhi becoming a sect and not much of a way to live a full life and cut the cycle of rebirths. 

Daas will answer the 5 questions.

1. Vaheguru doesn't need a symbol, (Guru Sahib is not a symbol of Vaheguru, but rather Vaheguru himself).

2. There is no need for rituals, the things you mentioned can only be rituals, if they lose their original meaning, not by in-of-itself.

3. Grace only is the only way to find him, if you can do Simran that's proof of you being blessed, not the Simran giving you the blessing.

4. Irrelevant to Sikhi.

5. Not a Gurbani quote, it's equality but not everyone is spiritually equal.

[Bundha]

1. Only Gurus gyaan works not ours,look to Guru Ji not to one’s own foolish mind because that will lead you astray every time. Above reply has said correct, Guru Ji is our Jagdhi Jyote, we get all our gyaan from our Guru, He leads us to the path of mukti then we will do His sewa from Maan and Tann. You are mistaken if you think Sikh is just within the confines of the Gurdwara, Gurbani says – Joe Brahnunday soi pinday. Everything you see (and don’t see) in the universe is right within us. Those fools only see symbols do not know the adh Shakti that is Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

    

2. Those who have no  gyaan, so avastha, no naam, no simran see rituals, those who have see their Guru. So you don’t keep your phone in AC, who told you to have Guru Granth Sahib Ji on your phone in the first place ? Guru Arjan Dev Ji used to sleep on the floor while Adh Granth Sahib Ji was always on a higher level, the Gurus led by example such a pity we cannot follow.

    

3. The mind wonders in meditation just as it does when doing paath. Guru Je says, Saas saas simro Gobind . . .

   Repeat His name with every breath you take. Guru Ji says over and over again repeat His name repeat His name – Naam Simran paath never let one breath go without His name on it, meditating on nothingness will bring you nothing.

 

4 Then you have not understood your Guru. Who is in nature ? Who created nature? Who created these laws? One leaf cannot move in the wind without His say so. We are all on a journey, some have progressed (and will ask for Naam Simran, and everything else will follow automatically) others have a way to go (they ask for worldly things), it is the foolish who look upon them with disdain for they themselves have not progresses far but are in the clutches of Hunkaar. As we progress so we see that the only thing to ask for (and why shouldn’t we ask – Guru Ji says Tumai shaad koi avar naa dhyao, joe barr chau so tum tay pao – Benti Chaupau – I will not leave you for anyone else and any thing I need I will remember you) are Naam and bhagti.

 

5 Guru Ji created many sampardhama, 22 munjies where set up by Guru Amar Das Ji, Damadami Taksal was created by Guru Ji. Infact we now have Sikhi which is being eaten from the inside by a cancer by those who call themselves the new reformers, who question every aspect of Sikhi, they started with Dasam Granth Sahib Ji and are slowly making their way to Guru Granth Sahib Ji please be aware of them.

[Not2Cool2Argue]

I think sikhi is both. It takes u from bhagti marg to gyaan marg. But most ppl get stuck in the first stage. And we r not teaching ppl how to get beyond the first stage