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'Armed' men storm occupy in Leamington Spa, say police

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1 hour ago, MrDoaba said:

Although I support the protests, I feel they’re beginning to do more harm than good. The negative media attention is destructive (and cringeworthy); the news today has made us out to be knife wielding criminals. And the popular but extremely ignorant opinion of liberal “Sikhs” doesn’t seem to help. This recent episode makes me think Kirpana are going to get banned if they carry on like this.

The protests aren’t really working IMO or if they are considered to be working, their overall effect is definitely detrimental.

Anyway, protesting in places like Leamington, which is full of atheist Punjabi phudus, is an exercise in futility.

This has been a problem for Sikhs for decades. Whenever Sikhs stand up for Sikhi anywhere in the world, the media presents it in a negative way with half truths and lies.

 

Point is, the dogs(the media) are going to continue to bark, but Singhs need to ignore their barks and continue standing up for Sikhi. This Dunya will never stand in solidarity with Sikhs, never has and never will.  So we need not care for what they think of us.

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1 hour ago, MrDoaba said:

You’re forgetting that Leamington is home to idiots like Aman Hayer

U r being bit harsh there, alot of aman hayers band frm the mid-2000s have become amritdhari sikhs in recent yrs. Infact quite few bhangra artists have, including specialist, ambi bilga, kaka mohanwalia, bally rai, ks makhan. Theres probably more i missed out. But yea, that lem spa gurdwara is 1 poisoned filled gurdwara, death to all committee h@ramis. Sikh council just released a video, sayin how the cops told them, the nakli lem spa committee, told police singhs were threatening sangat with guns, bats n weapons....complete utter lies. Thanks to those sons of b!tches, the headlines have been made to look million times more sinister than it was.

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57 minutes ago, Jonny101 said:

This has been a problem for Sikhs for decades. Whenever Sikhs stand up for Sikhi anywhere in the world, the media presents it in a negative way with half truths and lies.

 

Point is, the dogs(the media) are going to continue to bark, but Singhs need to ignore their barks and continue standing up for Sikhi. This Dunya will never stand in solidarity with Sikhs, never has and never will.  So we need not care for what they think of us.

I agree. My point was that we should be wiser as collective Sangat in tackling various issues and make small but effective inroads to implement change no matter how difficult it may be, instead of protesting. The way I see it is that many of our Guru Ghars are under control by non-Sikhs. If we (Diaspora GurSikhs) retake control, things will change apne aap, we just need to keep the bigger picture in mind.

 

54 minutes ago, StarStriker said:

U r being bit harsh there, alot of aman hayers band frm the mid-2000s have become amritdhari sikhs in recent yrs. Infact quite few bhangra artists have, including specialist, ambi bilga, kaka mohanwalia, bally rai, ks makhan. Theres probably more i missed out. But yea, that lem spa gurdwara is 1 poisoned filled gurdwara, death to all committee h@ramis. Sikh council just released a video, sayin how the cops told them, the nakli lem spa committee, told police singhs were threatening sangat with guns, bats n weapons....complete utter lies. Thanks to those sons of b!tches, the headlines have been made to look million times more sinister than it was.

My bad, brother, it’s been a very long time since I kept up with the Bhangra scene. I was referring to the overall mindset of the Leamington community, the typical “chak de phatte” attitude there. Sikhi is pretty much dead in those ends. Kanjar khanna prevails in Leam, strongly.

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The hypocritical police comes out when they want to beat down common Sikhs, who include those with haircuts.  What did these Sikhs do wrong?  They stood up for the respect of the Guru.  The facts surrounding this incident are not important because the hypocritical police are flat out against standing up for Guru Sahib.  The news outlets will spread propaganda.  Nothing new and this should not stop good behaviour.  Not too long ago the hypocritical police were pulling at every torn string to save their baba.  Their Baba, Baba Balbir Singh (so called Hazuri Ragi) bowed at the feet of Ashutosh, a fake dehdhari Guru.  The whole event was recorded on video and is on youtube for everyone.  Yet the hypocritical police went on the defense and stood for the actions of Baba Balbir Singh.  Even the corrupt Jathedars summoned Baba Balbir Singh for his wrong actions, but for the hypocritical police, he was in the right.  The hypocritical police in Baba Balbir Singh case were also jumping to say let's wait and see for the full video before rushing to judgement.  In this case, Sikhs protesting, the hypocritical police jumped on the Sikhs without any video, or an accurate news article of the events.  Starting to sound like the Punjab police, right!!  Additionally, the hypocritical police made it all about themselves.  Stating how baba Balbir Singh helped him in his depressed times and I don't care what he does on his spare time.  Although this is completely irrational because a Sikh of the Guru is always a Sikh of the Guru whether hes on his free time or not.  But was a similar excused by this hypocritical police made for the Sikhs protesting?  No, instead the hypocritical police, much like the Punjab police started swearing at the Sikhs.  Would a person be more mad a Sikhs who try to follow Sikhi to their best and stand up for their Guru.  Or a person who deceived the whole Khalsa Panth by sitting on stage singing Gurbani, taking the Guru ki sangat money, along with funds given from the Gurdwaras and at the end bows down to a fake dehdhari Guru, named Ashutosh?  Who is the real thief here.

http://www.sikhawareness.com/topic/16980-shocking-video-of-bhai-balbir-singh/?page=1 

Before looking at others actions and calling them hypocritical.  Look closer to home and see, if the partner you have married is amritdhari and why do I have kids with a woman who is not amritdhari and broke you away from the Guru by making you into a patit. 

    

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I forgot to mention.  Since the hypocritical police wants to hold the common Sikhs in contempt for good actions.  He should resign from the position of Root Admin of the website Sikhawareness.com because he is a total hypocrite for running a Sikh forum when he is a patit and supports the bowing down to fake dehdhari Gurus like ashutosh.  How can a person ever take this guy seriously ever?  From now on to put a point across.  I recommend we all start posting the one message when the hypocritical police post any type of post here.  You are a patit, you support bowing down to dehdhari Gurus, therefore you have no right to tell others to practice Gurmat. 

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11 hours ago, StarStriker said:

 

Hes no longer the presenter anymore, various presenters r filling in for him.

He was the better of a terrible bunch.  He did show some personality at times. The rest are robotic and reading a left wing script. Nuresh puri Is the biggest left wing extremist out and very robotic.... Was it discussed? 

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1 hour ago, Hammertime007 said:

He was the better of a terrible bunch.  He did show some personality at times. The rest are robotic and reading a left wing script. Nuresh puri Is the biggest left wing extremist out and very robotic.... Was it discussed? 

The presenter was a kurri called sonali shah, pretty sure shes a hindu. Gurmel singh frm sikh council was on, n he did well. The presenter blatantly was biased in her thinking, n didnt show any neutral p.o.v. One guy rang up, who was supposedly there, and a relative of the bride, talked so much crap and misinformation on sikh history it was embarassing. He must of been 1 in a long line of panjabi hindus ringing up pretending to be sikh. He said things like, none of the gurus had anand karajs, sayin how sikhs have always married muslims n hindu in history and the protestors r like muslim wing isis of modern days sikhi........massive facepalm!

So much bollox said by him n others i wudnt know where to start correcting the k@njar budda. About 3 callers compared the protestors to isis.....yea coz every1 knows, once the protest was over, the singhs beheaded the giani n filmed it, took all the women frm sangat as sex slaves n forcefully converted the goreh wedding guests.....wat bandhar ppl we have in r community.

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53 minutes ago, StarStriker said:

The presenter was a kurri called sonali shah, pretty sure shes a hindu. Gurmel singh frm sikh council was on, n he did well. The presenter blatantly was biased in her thinking, n didnt show any neutral p.o.v. One guy rang up, who was supposedly there, and a relative of the bride, talked so much crap and misinformation on sikh history it was embarassing. He must of been 1 in a long line of panjabi hindus ringing up pretending to be sikh. He said things like, none of the gurus had anand karajs, sayin how sikhs have always married muslims n hindu in history and the protestors r like muslim wing isis of modern days sikhi........massive facepalm!

So much bollox said by him n others i wudnt know where to start correcting the k@njar budda. About 3 callers compared the protestors to isis.....yea coz every1 knows, once the protest was over, the singhs beheaded the giani n filmed it, took all the women frm sangat as sex slaves n forcefully converted the goreh wedding guests.....wat bandhar ppl we have in r community.

sonali was getting funny, guy from sikh council uk smashed it!

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1 hour ago, StarStriker said:

The presenter was a kurri called sonali shah, pretty sure shes a hindu. Gurmel singh frm sikh council was on, n he did well. The presenter blatantly was biased in her thinking, n didnt show any neutral p.o.v. One guy rang up, who was supposedly there, and a relative of the bride, talked so much crap and misinformation on sikh history it was embarassing. He must of been 1 in a long line of panjabi hindus ringing up pretending to be sikh. He said things like, none of the gurus had anand karajs, sayin how sikhs have always married muslims n hindu in history and the protestors r like muslim wing isis of modern days sikhi........massive facepalm!

So much bollox said by him n others i wudnt know where to start correcting the k@njar budda. About 3 callers compared the protestors to isis.....yea coz every1 knows, once the protest was over, the singhs beheaded the giani n filmed it, took all the women frm sangat as sex slaves n forcefully converted the goreh wedding guests.....wat bandhar ppl we have in r community.

It's retarded how people use these terms without even knowing what it means. Sometimes you get these types using terms like Taliban or KHaliban and now these fools are using terms like ISIS for Sikhs who stand up for Sikhi. 

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19 hours ago, DhadrianwaleZindabad said:

What is the eventual long term goal of protesting at Anand Karaj's in western countries where 99% of the population are non-Sikhs? It is totally inevitable that 1% demographic minorities will intermarry.

Why are we not focussing on bigger issues that pose far bigger threats to the community?

Let's say, for example, every generation the protestors manage to block 20% of Anand Karaj's and successfully push the brides and grooms away from Sikhi ... how many generations will it be that the population of future Sikhs even willing to get an Anand Karaj will be left utterly negligible?

In the UK there might be 50,000 of marriageable age in 2016.

Block 20% from an Anand Karaj and you are left with 40,000

Next generation another 25% of the 40,000 left are blocked

... and so on increasing each following generation.

... until eventually the Sikh community in a Diaspora country is left demographically insignificant.

Surely, it would be better to try use someone's willing participation in an Anand Karaj as an acceptance that they are new Sikhs - as those who bow down before Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj are.

And to use this blessed occasion to integrate these new (Sikh) spouses within the fold of the Sikh Panth.

Obviously it is important the spouse rejects anti-Sikh concepts supported by Abrahamic religions such as slavery, pedophilia and violence against women as these are anti-Sikh concepts that no Sikh could tolerate being imposed on their own daughter.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

There is no issue here to discuss, we have clear guidance from rehitnamas,rehit mayada and the 52 Hukums of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji maharaj. 

The very content and significance of the laavan themselves make it obvious that only 2 Sikhs on the path can possibly make such commitments. 

As Sikhs we follow rehit and hukum. It's as simple as that . 

Are you claiming to know better than maharaj that you want to change the conditions for Anand Karaj ?

So what if some atheist Punjabis are blocked. Sikhi is about quality not quantity . The required sacrifice is submission to maharaj offer your head to walk this path. We make no concessions for those who don't have the faith to walk this path.

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8 hours ago, StarStriker said:

The presenter was a kurri called sonali shah, pretty sure shes a hindu. Gurmel singh frm sikh council was on, n he did well. The presenter blatantly was biased in her thinking, n didnt show any neutral p.o.v. One guy rang up, who was supposedly there, and a relative of the bride, talked so much crap and misinformation on sikh history it was embarassing. He must of been 1 in a long line of panjabi hindus ringing up pretending to be sikh. He said things like, none of the gurus had anand karajs, sayin how sikhs have always married muslims n hindu in history and the protestors r like muslim wing isis of modern days sikhi........massive facepalm!

So much bollox said by him n others i wudnt know where to start correcting the k@njar budda. About 3 callers compared the protestors to isis.....yea coz every1 knows, once the protest was over, the singhs beheaded the giani n filmed it, took all the women frm sangat as sex slaves n forcefully converted the goreh wedding guests.....wat bandhar ppl we have in r community.

Not generalising but most of these Sikh liberal types/paki unity divs are usually from London or greater London. Jagsaw poster was a prime example.  However theres one singh I have met once whose  has a very strong East London accent,  is very strong on the subject of grooming and conversion,  and does alot of seva in.   Living in a cosmopolitan dump like London makes you weak, soft and tolerable to the intolerant. 

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Leamington is an affluent small town, middle class white people and sikhs are the only sizeable ethnic group.Muslims numbers are low.Sikhi is always followed more passionately in areas with large muslims populations.Mona sikh and mona amrithari converts will always have more fight and passion for sikhi than people born amritharis

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22 hours ago, Cisco_Singh said:

There is no issue here to discuss, we have clear guidance from rehitnamas,rehit mayada and the 52 Hukums of Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji maharaj. 

The very content and significance of the laavan themselves make it obvious that only 2 Sikhs on the path can possibly make such commitments. 

As Sikhs we follow rehit and hukum. It's as simple as that . 

Are you claiming to know better than maharaj that you want to change the conditions for Anand Karaj ?

So what if some atheist Punjabis are blocked. Sikhi is about quality not quantity . The required sacrifice is submission to maharaj offer your head to walk this path. We make no concessions for those who don't have the faith to walk this path.

There are many atheist Punjabi people that go to the gurdwara to eat just langar but don't want to know what our G. Maharaj JI says. 

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Both the committee and the protestors are clowns intent on maligning the Sikh faith.

Hope both sides would grow up and stop acting like village idiots.

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The things that are not clear are :-

 

1. The Mixed marriage couple were they approached by the committee or SCUK to discuss the Sikh Ananad Karaj marriage ?

2. Did the couple and family understand , what they were doing and willing to sit down and listen  ?

3. Did the couple agree to partake in Anand Karaj as SCUK created an Anand Karaj declaration form which both couples had to sign and abide by.

4. Did the couple understand Anand Karaj is not a ritual ?

5. Were other options made available to the couple and family ?

I think based on this , judgement can be made . I am pretty confident if a learned sikh explained the concept of Anand Karaj  to the couple and family they would have a different view on the message sikhs want to portray regarding mixed marriages, assuming they want to listen.

Education is the key , whether mixed marriage or same marriage all the sangat should make an effort to learn and educate. IF the couple/family dont agree then simple dont do an Anand Karaj . But if the committee dont want to listen either then the sangat needs to wake up bombard them with letters, petitions , rallies so that whenever they come to the Gurudawara they will automatically resign.

The thing that I dont understand is that why is it we react when damage is done , why not act they way we do now to make them understand , we have Sikh TV channels , where news can be spread to the sangat and sangat can advise according to sikhi teachings.   

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17 hours ago, DhadrianwaleZindabad said:

 

The girls side was from Luton , which is pretty far away from Leamington Spa. From prior experience of knowing families that have carried out interfaith sham anand karaj ceremonies, I would say that education is not always the answer.

They know perfectly well that they do not meet the criteria for Anand Karaj, so after being rejected by their local Gurdwaras they seem out the rogue corrupt Gurdwaras that book the sham weddings.

Atheist Punjabis think they can bend the rules to cover up their own lack of faith.

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ahh ok , but the question still arises did the Gurudawaras in Luton explain to them about the Anand Karaj , not just telling them sorry you cant have a marriage here , but explaining why , the core meaning ...... or unless they didnt want to listen , which is a no hoper and outcome is what we see happening today.

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https://m.facebook.com/DalKhalsaUK/photos/a.103723276720.95169.95881811720/10153691268991721/?type=3

Well well well, it seems as tho the scummy freshy bahman who rang up asian network yday claiming to be a "mr singh", sayin how he was there at the lem spa gurdwara n then goes on a rant which i wrote about here yday, also rang into jon gaunts show, with same accent, but this time changing his story to his cousin was there at the wedding. Indian govt agents working everywhere it seems! If any1 doubted this as conspiracy b4, just look at the link above. He rings up sayin crap like, harmandar sahib is a vishnu temple, how sikhs have always married non sikhs (hindu/muslim), singhs protesting r like isis/taliban, callin every chardi kalah sikh terrorists/khalistanis etc. Also he mentions "SIKHSANGAT . COM", as a website which discriminates and is anti hindu/christian etc. Haaaaaaaa watever u prat.

These ppl r so insane n obsessed with us, its embarassing!

 

https://audioboom.com/boos/5038256-pod-three-sikh-caller-says-yesterday-s-leamington-protesters-are-extremists-12th-september

Go to the 4th minute in the show, n listen this indian agent chat tatti. Notice he says my uncle err relative was there....2mins later he says my brother was there. On asian network he says I was there....

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https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153916442592217&id=228735667216&__tn__=*s

Bbc up to their old crappy tricks again. Look at how this bandhari gujju, is so biased as a presenter, in this facebook live discussion.

Don singh tries to be smart by quoting gurbani here n there n telling fairy stories, but he has no depth to his argument.

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2 hours ago, StarStriker said:

 Also he mentions "SIKHSANGAT . COM", as a website which discriminates and is anti hindu/christian etc. Haaaaaaaa watever u prat.

These ppl r so insane n obsessed with us, its embarassing!

 

Ehich audio file (as there were couple of them) and at what time frame he said that.  Wants to hear them whining. 

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4 hours ago, StarStriker said:

https://m.facebook.com/DalKhalsaUK/photos/a.103723276720.95169.95881811720/10153691268991721/?type=3

Well well well, it seems as tho the scummy freshy bahman who rang up asian network yday claiming to be a "mr singh", sayin how he was there at the lem spa gurdwara n then goes on a rant which i wrote about here yday, also rang into jon gaunts show, with same accent, but this time changing his story to his cousin was there at the wedding. Indian govt agents working everywhere it seems! If any1 doubted this as conspiracy b4, just look at the link above. He rings up sayin crap like, harmandar sahib is a vishnu temple, how sikhs have always married non sikhs (hindu/muslim), singhs protesting r like isis/taliban, callin every chardi kalah sikh terrorists/khalistanis etc. Also he mentions "SIKHSANGAT . COM", as a website which discriminates and is anti hindu/christian etc. Haaaaaaaa watever u prat.

These ppl r so insane n obsessed with us, its embarassing!

 

https://audioboom.com/boos/5038256-pod-three-sikh-caller-says-yesterday-s-leamington-protesters-are-extremists-12th-september

Go to the 4th minute in the show, n listen this indian agent chat tatti. Notice he says my uncle err relative was there....2mins later he says my brother was there. On asian network he says I was there....

I have been reading the comments of all these non Sikhs. What I really find strange is how all these non Sikh people  think they have a say in our internal religious affairs. 

 

We don't say to Muslims, Hindus, Christians how to conduct their Mosques, Mandhirs or Churches but when it comes to our Gurdawas, they all  become nosey.

 

And Hundus, they do the most dakhal andazi of them all.

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