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11 hours ago, BhForce said:

Well, it's not as if the extension of Sikh Sangat and creation of new Gurdwaras into the West was directed by a central authority (Akal Takhat) as in the case of the Vatican and the Catholics. Rather, Sikhs came of their own initiative, and also created Gurdwaras of their own initiative. Unfortunately, many of our people who originally came cut off their hair and also were addicted to alcohol. They became the committee heads, because that's just the kind of people that were available. There was no rehitvan, Amritdhari alternative available.

Well done for stating the bleeding obvious sherlock.

Collect your prize at the end of the class.

 

11 hours ago, BhForce said:

So, who gave them this power?

Bless your innocence.

With the slightest bit of sense you would have seen that these are rhetorical questions for the whining OP and his fellow sangat to ponder.

That bit seems to have flown right over your head.

 

11 hours ago, BhForce said:

They themselves did.

I already knew the real answer to this when I posed it. That's the whole flipping point of a rhetorical question.

Q: Who gave these corrupt committees the power they crave?

A: Their lazy/stupid/incompetent sangat did when they voted them in at the last election.

They then reinforced that undue power day in day out by deferring to them on untenable decisions such as these.

And then finally they came and cried on this forum when a few impotent budday ignored them, all the while pretending to be completely oblivious to their role in enabling the whole charade.

 

11 hours ago, BhForce said:

We should think ourselves lucky that there's even some semblance of maryada in the darbar halls: Guru Sahib on throne and sangat on the floor. Otherwise, they would have put sangat in pews, and Guru Sahib as a small book to be carried in the granthi's hands to plopped on a lectern.

Oh, well that's ok then. Fill in the blanks and pardon my French _______ Fantastic.

How on earth did we ever contain our enthusiasm faced with such unselfish altruism.

We should think ourselves oh so lucky that a few completely unselfish casteist corrupt committee budday who support fund and validate the indian national congress party that killed thousands upon thousands of innocent Sikhs who these casteist elitists despise besides enforcing Meat and Sharaab on Gurdwara premises in breach of Sikhi Rehat are able to get rich off Guru Ji while holding the destroyer of caste hostage and using and abusing the destroyer of caste like an on demand ATM.

Let's give them all and each other a pat on the back.

And roll out the red carpet while you're at it.

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And then finally they came and cried on this forum when a few impotent budday ignored them, all the while pretending to be completely oblivious to their role in enabling the whole charade.

Some good points in the post jashb

If there were establishments that had the authority to clamp down on such issues then I think  whoever is in charge would think twice about their objectives to serve the Panth based on Sikhi . If the sangat woke up , got together and acted ( peacefully of course) then they would think twice especially when at any Gurudawara the hub is Dhan Dhan Sri  Guru  Granth SAhib Ji Maharaj.

Its not about crying , its about making sangat aware , and with Wahegurus Kirpa , keep knocking at their door making them aware the sangat are "watching their moves" .

We can only hope and pray few individuals in charge realize they are truly blessed having the opportunity to the serve the Guru and should do so whole heatedly. 

Thats why sangats support is crucial regardless of which Gurudawara they follow , what pend they are from ,, a simple letter,call, email telling them about the concerns goes a long way.

To make a change , sadly its based on membership , the more members you have on your side who can vote , then they can be kicked out of power and then changes can be made such as Gurudwara name , no elections , select amritdhari's etc........ then the question arises , how many of the sangat are willing to stand up for this cause and put their names forward ( not many) as I understand its not an easy task takes a lot of commitment , but then the few who have that passion for Guru Maharaj is what I think we need to seek out , get their guidance , help hence asking the sangat for help and to act .

 

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The fact that situation is so bad that we're unable to do something means we're back in the days of evil masands.

I feel worried for this.

The custodians of gurudwara should be accountable to us, they should fear us, not we fearing them 

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48 minutes ago, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

The fact that situation is so bad that we're unable to do something means we're back in the days of evil masands.

I feel worried for this.

The custodians of gurudwara should be accountable to us, they should fear us, not we fearing them 

You are an IT guy. 

Think of a process that can help make the changes.

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1 hour ago, Ranjeet01 said:

You are an IT guy. 

Think of a process that can help make the changes.

The best of system is abused . There's no way to prevent abuse of system, but if we are going to be vigilant , chances of it happening become slim.

How can gurudwara systems be free of cronies and corrupts , you ask.

1) Vest the authority in panj pyaare (hereafter, abbreviated as PP).

Instead of one man show "PARDHAAN" as it happens in most gurudwareys , we need to revert back to the PP system as its supposed to be . 

Every gurudwara should have what we will call "PP for administration". No one single person. None of the "Pyaara singh" will have more or less power than other Pyara singh. Any decision shall be taken by "PP" by a majority consensus. that is if 2 P are in favor of something, 3 P against it, sangat will reject it.

This has the benefit that our gurudwaras will not become dictatorial as they're now . Chances of 5 people becoming corrupt is way slimmer than 1 becoming corrupt.

Sangat (the resident sikhs of that locality) should not be a mere sheep nodding in any decision of PP. If reasonable number of sangat members feel most of PP have become corrupt or most of PP have questionable moral character , they should hold again a vote of sangat to select new PP.

The precedence for selecting PP candidates are as follows (in decreasing precedence):

1) Amritdhari

2) Kesadhari

3) Sehajdhari / monay 

 

2) Whistleblowers should be given protection and anonymity

Any sikh of the sangat should have the right to anonymity on raising any alert. This will encourage more people in sangat to raise whatever wrongdoing they find

3) Gurudwaras should hold basic items in langar. 

4) Atleast 30% of gurudwara funds should be for prachar of sikhi to non-sikhs (esp low castes and otherwise downtrodden). This will help increase sikh population and help us increase our social and political dominance everywhere.

5) Corrupt gurudwaras should be abandoned by Sangat. Installing CCTV cameras will help to collect proof of wrongdoings.

6) Create a regional squad of "Panj pyaare" that watches several gurudwaras under its administration for weaknesses and corruption. Defaulter gurudwara managements should be sent a notice. 

7) Bringing young kids (aged 4 - 14) in quarterly held sikhi prachar camps should be insisted by their parents. Not the hardcore prachaar, but more like coloring books about sikhism, etc. Teach them about sikh values. Why they wear turbans and so on ? once they know, they will be better able to answer the bullies.  Once you lose them after this age, the youth is basket case. Young minds retain more. 

8) Gurudwara pracharaks should insist on family life and how each sikh couple needs atleast 3 or more kids to increase population. 

1 kid = born from 2 --> population decline steadily

2 kid = born from 2 --> population steady 

3 kid  = born from 2 --> population steadily increase

 

If muslims can have sharia courts in UK, then why are we becoming so lenient . Gorey are backstabbers, remember that one thing ! UK doesn't give 2 hoots about sikhs or muslims .

They will give you  2 minutes praises for sikh bravery during WW1 and 2 , and thats what most of us fall for. 

 

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6 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Only thick rural pendus fall for that one. And they are EXACTLY who they target with such propaganda. The rest of us can see through this bull5hit. 

 I have a feeling most of punjabi sikh kaum are known to be show off kind of people . And our enemies know it well and exploit it.

Ironically , if you notice Punjabi Hindus who're far more industrially prosperous than sikhs don't have this fukra mentality. 

Look at the biggest industrialists in India . Some of the biggest tycoons in India are punjabi Hindus : 

Mahindra and Mahindra, Airtel , Bollywood Kapoor family, Bajaj , etc....

Ironically most Sikhs don't have big businesses in India . We only had Ranbaxy Pharma, but they sold it off too . We have Apollo tyres as well, but the CEO family has hindu names. How many large patrons do we really have ? why do we have so much of ghaddari genes in us ?

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