Bhagat Kabir Ji on distinction

[Thanatos]

There was, a while ago, a rather heated debate about if its important to make a distinction between the names of god and those which are given to Hindu Deities. Which reading some really amazing articles by various intellects I came across a really good quote which should put the whole thing to rest.

the link is here, for some reason I'm unable to post the Gurmukhi so 

 

https://searchgurbani.com/guru_granth_sahib/ang/1374/line/58656

 

A distinction is of the utmost importance, one needs to meditate on the Primordial Lord when using names such as Bhaugauti, Kalika, Ram etc. As Bhagat Ji beautifully put it, one is present in all, the other is only contained within himself.  

 

à¨à¨¬à©à¨° ਰਾਮ à¨à¨¹à¨¨ ਮਹਿ ਭà©à¨¦à© ਹ੠ਤਾ ਮਹਿ à¨à¨à© ਬਿà¨à¨¾à¨°à© ॥

Kabeer Raam Kehan Mehi Bhaedh Hai Thaa Mehi Eaek Bichaar ||

à¤à¤¬à¥à¤° राम à¤à¤¹à¤¨ महि भà¥à¤¦à¥ हॠता महि à¤à¤à¥ बिà¤à¤¾à¤°à¥ ॥

Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.

 

ਸà©à¨ ਰਾਮ੠ਸਭ੠à¨à¨¹à¨¹à¨¿ ਸà©à¨ à¨à¨à¨¤à¨à¨¹à¨¾à¨° ॥੧੯੦॥

Soee Raam Sabhai Kehehi Soee Kouthakehaar ||190||

सà¥à¤ रामॠसभॠà¤à¤¹à¤¹à¤¿ सà¥à¤ à¤à¤à¤¤à¤à¤¹à¤¾à¤° ॥१९०॥

Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190||

 

à¨à¨¬à©à¨° ਰਾਮ੠ਰਾਮ à¨à¨¹à© à¨à¨¹à¨¿à¨¬à© ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬà©à¨ ॥

Kabeer Raamai Raam Kahu Kehibae Maahi Bibaek ||

à¤à¤¬à¥à¤° रामॠराम à¤à¤¹à¥ à¤à¤¹à¤¿à¤¬à¥ माहि बिबà¥à¤ ॥

Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.

 

à¨à¨à© à¨à¨¨à©à¨à¨¹à¨¿ ਮਿਲਿ à¨à¨à¨ à¨à¨ ਸਮਾਨਾ à¨à¨ ॥੧੯੧॥

Eaek Anaekehi Mil Gaeiaa Eaek Samaanaa Eaek ||191||

à¤à¤à¥ à¤à¤¨à¥à¤à¤¹à¤¿ मिलि à¤à¤à¤ à¤à¤ समाना à¤à¤ ॥१९१॥

One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191||

SGGS Ji Ang 1374 ðð»

 

 

[simran345]

2 hours ago, Thanatos said:

There was, a while ago, a rather heated debate about if its important to make a distinction between the names of god and those which are given to Hindu Deities. Which reading some really amazing articles by various intellects I came across a really good quote which should put the whole thing to rest.

the link is here, for some reason I'm unable to post the Gurmukhi so 

 

https://searchgurbani.com/guru_granth_sahib/ang/1374/line/58656

 

A distinction is of the utmost importance, one needs to meditate on the Primordial Lord when using names such as Bhaugauti, Kalika, Ram etc. As Bhagat Ji beautifully put it, one is present in all, the other is only contained within himself.  

 

 

 

ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥

Kabeer Raam Kehan Mehi Bhaedh Hai Thaa Mehi Eaek Bichaar ||

कबीर राम कहन महि भेदु है ता महि एकु बिचारु ॥

Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.

 

ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥

Soee Raam Sabhai Kehehi Soee Kouthakehaar ||190||

सोई रामु सभै कहहि सोई कउतकहार ॥१९०॥

Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190||

 

ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥

Kabeer Raamai Raam Kahu Kehibae Maahi Bibaek ||

कबीर रामै राम कहु कहिबे माहि बिबेक ॥

Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.

 

ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥

Eaek Anaekehi Mil Gaeiaa Eaek Samaanaa Eaek ||191||

एकु अनेकहि मिलि गइआ एक समाना एक ॥१९१॥

One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191||

SGGS Ji Ang 1374 ??

 

 

[Thanatos]

3 hours ago, simran345 said:

ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮ ਕਹਨ ਮਹਿ ਭੇਦੁ ਹੈ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਏਕੁ ਬਿਚਾਰੁ ॥

Kabeer Raam Kehan Mehi Bhaedh Hai Thaa Mehi Eaek Bichaar ||

कबीर राम कहन महि भेदु है ता महि एकु बिचारु ॥

Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider.

 

ਸੋਈ ਰਾਮੁ ਸਭੈ ਕਹਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਕਉਤਕਹਾਰ ॥੧੯੦॥

Soee Raam Sabhai Kehehi Soee Kouthakehaar ||190||

सोई रामु सभै कहहि सोई कउतकहार ॥१९०॥

Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ||190||

 

ਕਬੀਰ ਰਾਮੈ ਰਾਮ ਕਹੁ ਕਹਿਬੇ ਮਾਹਿ ਬਿਬੇਕ ॥

Kabeer Raamai Raam Kahu Kehibae Maahi Bibaek ||

कबीर रामै राम कहु कहिबे माहि बिबेक ॥

Kabeer, use the word 'Raam', only to speak of the All-pervading Lord. You must make that distinction.

 

ਏਕੁ ਅਨੇਕਹਿ ਮਿਲਿ ਗਇਆ ਏਕ ਸਮਾਨਾ ਏਕ ॥੧੯੧॥

Eaek Anaekehi Mil Gaeiaa Eaek Samaanaa Eaek ||191||

एकु अनेकहि मिलि गइआ एक समाना एक ॥१९१॥

One 'Raam' is pervading everywhere, while the other is contained only in himself. ||191||

SGGS Ji Ang 1374 ??

 

 

 

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