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hello, just wondering can we read bani from dasam granth everyday? like can we read chandi di vaar everyday?

i have anxiety problems and i take prescribed medication for it. im male 23. not amritdhari but i dont eat meat or drink etc

iv read things online like you cant read bani from dasam granth everyday, and things like you cant read chandi di vaar at night before going to sleep!

is all this true? its bani so there really shouldn't be any restrictions to it, should there?

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Veer ji first of all i am not amritdhari yet and secondly yes Chandi Di Vaar can be read everyday as long as it done before sunset with Sukhmani Sahib and 5 bani's cos many people can't handle the Bir Ras.

I myself was afraid before even listening to it let alone reading it

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Every Amritdhari Sikh is prescribed reading Dasam Bani daily - Jaap Sahib, Tav Prasad Saviyae, Chaupai Sahib. Read away, whenever. No restrictions.

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hello, just wondering can we read bani from dasam granth everyday? like can we read chandi di vaar everyday?

i have anxiety problems and i take prescribed medication for it. im male 23. not amritdhari but i dont eat meat or drink etc

iv read things online like you cant read bani from dasam granth everyday, and things like you cant read chandi di vaar at night before going to sleep!

is all this true? its bani so there really shouldn't be any restrictions to it, should there?

thanks

There are no such restrictions. Read Chandi di vaar when and how many times you want. Read Dasam Bani as much as you want.

Bir ras is misunderstood.

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If u really love dasam pita ji, do ardas and read as much bani as u want without any restriction.

If u make any mistake(if any) dasam pita jee will make u undertand about it, just like a dad helps one year kid

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If you read Chandi Di Vaar at the evening, you must read it continuously till amritvela (the next day).. You also should light a jyoti and incense non stop.

If you start reciting the prayer of Chandi di Vaar after sunset then, one must keep reciting it continuously through the night until dawn. Two or more Singhs may take turns to recite this prayer through the night, it is all right to do so. One must sit upon a clean mat or bed, bathing before reciting the prayer. An oil lamp lit with clarified butter should be kept alight throughout the night. During the day, one can recite Chandi di Vaar as many times as one wants. There is no specific practice to reciting the prayer except that one reads the prayer with devotion and understanding.

I have read this before and Sri Guru Gobind Singh ji put no such stipulation on Chandi di vaar. The beginning of Chandi di vaar is ardas which the khalsa has done billions of times after sunset. Then some people say it can only be done standing. Another stipulation that Guru sahib never put on but today people want to add manmat.

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Bhaji, this is not manmat.

Khalsa recited Chandi dhi vaar because of bir rass that was needed for the tumultuous times that they lived in when battle was an ever present thing.

Chandi dhi vaar is an account of chandi doing battle with the dhents, in essence you are remembering chandi, and what happens when you keep remembering someone? that person will come.

Why do we recite GURBANI? so that Guru will come, that we will be close to the Guru, that we will merge into the shabad.

You keep reciting chandi dhi vaar and Chandi will come. and who has the naam/simran or spiritual level to be able to endure her terrible form? Once she comes she ain't going anywhere then how you going to get rid of her? You do not know, you are in a mess now.

I would suggest if you want to do bani from Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, recite Akaal Ustat. Infact recite the first chaupai from Akaal Ustat - Pranvo aadh ekan-kara recite this day and night whenever you are doing your daily work . . . . . and Guru Gobind Singh Ji will come for sure. Who would you rather have Guru Sahib Ji or Chandi?

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Bhaji, this is not manmat.

Khalsa recited Chandi dhi vaar because of bir rass that was needed for the tumultuous times that they lived in when battle was an ever present thing.

Chandi dhi vaar is an account of chandi doing battle with the dhents, in essence you are remembering chandi, and what happens when you keep remembering someone? that person will come.

Why do we recite GURBANI? so that Guru will come, that we will be close to the Guru, that we will merge into the shabad.

You keep reciting chandi dhi vaar and Chandi will come. and who has the naam/simran or spiritual level to be able to endure her terrible form? Once she comes she ain't going anywhere then how you going to get rid of her? You do not know, you are in a mess now.

I would suggest if you want to do bani from Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, recite Akaal Ustat. Infact recite the first chaupai from Akaal Ustat - Pranvo aadh ekan-kara recite this day and night whenever you are doing your daily work . . . . . and Guru Gobind Singh Ji will come for sure. Who would you rather have Guru Sahib Ji or Chandi?

Now I have a better understanding why the Sikhs latch on to missionary sikh preachers. It's because of people who do not understand Dasam bani by which they attribute Akal Purakh praise to chandi. Anyone would be turned away by this complete ignorance. A poster in the past tried to say chandi is being praised in chandi di vaar. But he was shut down by the great Sant Baba Gurbachan singh ji recording of chandi di vaar katha. In no way is chandi being remembered in chandi do vaar. Satguru is showing us her shortcomings by being in ego and evoking actual chandi (Akal purakh). Chandi di vaar starts by remembering Akal Purakh in the form of destroying the enemy (sword). And ends in the same way. Satguru is saying chandi thinks she is highest since a god indra came begging for her help after he lost his kingdom but right off the bat chandi is shown as hankhari (egotistical ). Satguru cuts chandi's head right off in the beginning.

Gursikh when doing ardas hold a Sri sahib in their hands. If chandi di vaar is remembering chandi(the goddess ) then why aren't these gursikhs hold a picture or statue of chandi in ardas? Learn from gurmukhs and the true meaning of any shabad will be understood.

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Bhaji, this is not manmat.

Khalsa recited Chandi dhi vaar because of bir rass that was needed for the tumultuous times that they lived in when battle was an ever present thing.

Chandi dhi vaar is an account of chandi doing battle with the dhents, in essence you are remembering chandi, and what happens when you keep remembering someone? that person will come.

Why do we recite GURBANI? so that Guru will come, that we will be close to the Guru, that we will merge into the shabad.

You keep reciting chandi dhi vaar and Chandi will come. and who has the naam/simran or spiritual level to be able to endure her terrible form? Once she comes she ain't going anywhere then how you going to get rid of her? You do not know, you are in a mess now.

I would suggest if you want to do bani from Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, recite Akaal Ustat. Infact recite the first chaupai from Akaal Ustat - Pranvo aadh ekan-kara recite this day and night whenever you are doing your daily work . . . . . and Guru Gobind Singh Ji will come for sure. Who would you rather have Guru Sahib Ji or Chandi?

I agree with everything you said but Chandi is actually extremely beautiful, Kali is the one with the terrible form, if she were to appear you'd be able to look at her no problem. She's so much lower than Guru Sahib Ji though and since this is Gurbani we're invoking the protection of MahaKaal not Chandi as in the beginning of the Vaar it's even said She got her power from Akaal.

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I agree with everything you said but Chandi is actually extremely beautiful, Kali is the one with the terrible form, if she were to appear you'd be able to look at her no problem. She's so much lower than Guru Sahib Ji though and since this is Gurbani we're invoking the protection of MahaKaal not Chandi as in the beginning of the Vaar it's even said She got her power from Akaal.

Daas thought they both were the same; (unless by Chandi you mean Shastar, instead of Durga?) Yes; they are both weaker than Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji-Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

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Daas thought they both were the same; (unless by Chandi you mean Shastar, instead of Durga?) Yes; they are both weaker than Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji-Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

In Chandi Charitar if memory serves right Kali and Chandi are described as separate entities, then in Chandi di Vaar, to kill Sranwat Beej Kali explodes from Durga's forehead to kill him and provide support for Durga.

ਚੰਡ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡ ਅਖੰਡ ਲੀਏ ਕਰਿ ਕਾਲਿਕਾ ਕਾਲ ਹੀ ਜਿਉੇ ਅਰਜੀ ਹੈ ॥੭੫॥

चंड प्रचंड अखंड लीए करि कालिका काल ही जिउ अरजी है ॥७५॥

Highly glorious Chandi, in her blanced state, creating Kalika like death, spoke thus.75.

ਦੋਹਰਾ ॥

दोहरा ॥

DOHRA

ਨਿਰਖ ਚੰਡਕਾ ਤਾਸ ਕੋ ਤਬੈ ਬਚਨ ਇਹ ਕੀਨ ॥

निरख चंडका तास को तबै बचन इह कीन ॥

Chandika, seeing her, thus spoke to her;

ਹੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰੀ ਤੂੰ ਕਾਲਿਕਾ ਹੋਹੁ ਜੁ ਮੁਝ ਮੈ ਲੀਨ ॥੭੬॥

हे पुत्री तूं कालिका होहु जु मुझ मै लीन ॥७६॥

O my daughter Kalika, merge in me."76.

ਸੁਨਤ ਬਚਨ ਯੇ ਚੰਡਿ ਕੋ ਤਾ ਮਹਿ ਗਈ ਸਮਾਇ ॥

सुनत बचन ये चंडि को ता महि गई समाइ ॥

Hearing these words of Chandi, she merged in her;

ਜਿਉ ਗੰਗਾ ਕੀ ਧਾਰ ਮੈ ਜਮਨਾ ਪੈਠੀ ਧਾਇ ॥੭੭॥

जिउ गंगा की धार मै जमना पैठी धाइ ॥७७॥

Like Yamuna falling into the current of Ganges.77.

Sri Kali has many beautiful forms as well, she is not limited to the battle/cremation form.

She can have unlimited forms, I don't really care about any of them except the one mentioned in Gurbani, which is the the terrible form. Pretty sure Dasam Bani only mentioned the terrible form so honestly that's all that matters, hence why I was adding in, based on the context above, about Dasam Pitas bani and NOT Hindu Mythology.

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none of it is mythology :-)

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none of it is mythology :-)

Depends on views honestly, if someone wants to deny the existence of them then fair do as they hold no real place in Sikhism except as metaphors.

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Guru Granth Sahib Ji would not mention anything that was made up or mythology. Guru Ji talks the truth.

If Guru Ji talks of Krishan Ji, Ram Ji, Hanuman, Ravan, dhents, devis, kinars, ghandarvas, Parya, then it is the truth.

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Guru Granth Sahib Ji would not mention anything that was made up or mythology. Guru Ji talks the truth.

If Guru Ji talks of Krishan Ji, Ram Ji, Hanuman, Ravan, dhents, devis, kinars, ghandarvas, Parya, then it is the truth.

Guru Ji also writes in a poetic sense, in Dasam Granth Akaal Purkh is described as having a bed made of various gods. Are you saying Akaal (who's described as Nirankaar) suddenly literally has a bed? My point is the Devs don't play any role in Sikhism, you don't need to acknowledge their existence to get closer to god.

Day and Night are said to be 2 nurses, are they actually nurses? nope it's a really amazing metaphor. Literal-ism will open up a myriad of contradictions if you don't dwell deeper into the arth of Gurbani. Gurbani is an ocean, not a simple shallow pool.

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Bhaji, you said it, Guru Ji also writes in poetic sense. Yes, they write in poetic sense but the mistake we make is that things we don’t like we say they are poetic, you cannot pick and choose. Where Guru Ji is using poetic sense and metaphors then this can be seen and is beautiful, where Guru Ji gives straight forward references then we need to acknowledge.

Dasam Granth Sahib Ji writes about chaubis avatar, are these all metaphors? Each section for each avatar, metaphor? The largest composition is Krishan Avatar, metaphor? There are three chandi dhi vaars, metaphors?

Guru Nanak Dev Ji in a shabad talks about Ravan, metaphor?

Ang 1410

Without the Guru, there is no spiritual wisdom; without Dharma, there is no meditation.

Without Truth, there is no credit; without capital, there is no balance. ||23||

The mortals are sent into the world; then, they arise and depart.

There is no joy in this. ||24||

Raam Chand, sad at heart, assembled his army and forces.

The army of monkeys was at his service; his mind and body became eager for war.

Raawan captured his wife Sita, and Lachhman was cursed to die.

O Nanak, the Creator Lord is the Doer of all; He watches over all, and destroys what He has created. ||25||

In his mind, Raam Chand mourned for Sita and Lachhman.

Then, he remembered Hanuman the monkey-god, who came to him.

The misguided demon did not understand that God is the Doer of deeds.

O Nanak, the actions of the Self-existent Lord cannot be erased. ||26||

The city of Lahore suffered terrible destruction for four hours. ||27||

Agreed, devis / devtay hold no significance for a Sikh , they are lower entities and are forms of joons like ours but if Guru Sahib Ji acknowledges their existence then who are we to deny it?

It is so easy to call everything a metaphor, rather it is deep down our lack of understanding.

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Bhaji, you said it, Guru Ji also writes in poetic sense. Yes, they write in poetic sense but the mistake we make is that things we don’t like we say they are poetic, you cannot pick and choose. Where Guru Ji is using poetic sense and metaphors then this can be seen and is beautiful, where Guru Ji gives straight forward references then we need to acknowledge.

I think you're jumping to rash conclusions. You seem to be contradicting yourself, you said we can't pick and choose then you said we can see which are metaphors. The references can very well be explained in the contexts of examples, most people back then were accustomed to these stories so Guru Sahib used them to explain certain phenomenons to the world.

Dasam Granth Sahib Ji writes about chaubis avatar, are these all metaphors? Each section for each avatar, metaphor? The largest composition is Krishan Avatar, metaphor? There are three chandi dhi vaars, metaphors?

The current Dasam Granth was compiled by Bhai Mani Singh Ji with the help of Mata Sundri Ji, the chaubis avatar also recounts the birth of a mythic bull which held the world up. Something that Guru Nanak Dev Ji disproved in Japji sahib itself. Chaubai Avatar in the case of many scholars was there to help us understand the references in Gurbani, and also to help the so called lower caste hindus who didn't have access to the knowledge.

So will you argue that a bull is supporting the Earth now?

Guru Nanak Dev Ji in a shabad talks about Ravan, metaphor?

Ang 1410

Without the Guru, there is no spiritual wisdom; without Dharma, there is no meditation.

Without Truth, there is no credit; without capital, there is no balance. ||23||

The mortals are sent into the world; then, they arise and depart.

There is no joy in this. ||24||

Raam Chand, sad at heart, assembled his army and forces.

The army of monkeys was at his service; his mind and body became eager for war.

Raawan captured his wife Sita, and Lachhman was cursed to die.

O Nanak, the Creator Lord is the Doer of all; He watches over all, and destroys what He has created. ||25||

In his mind, Raam Chand mourned for Sita and Lachhman.

Then, he remembered Hanuman the monkey-god, who came to him.

The misguided demon did not understand that God is the Doer of deeds.

O Nanak, the actions of the Self-existent Lord cannot be erased. ||26||

The city of Lahore suffered terrible destruction for four hours. ||27||

yes that's actually an analogy so to speak. Gurbani isn't simply just re-accounting old tales, what do you get from that? Ram was suffering due to attachment for Sita and his brother. Rather than taking the Gurbani out of context, did you read and ponder the shabad above?

isru dIjY kwix n kIjY ]20] (1412-3)

sir deejai kaan na keejai. ||20||

give Me your head, and do not pay any attention to public opinion. ||20||

nwil ikrwVw dosqI kUVY kUVI pwie ] (1412-3)

naal kiraarhaa dostee koorhai koorhee paa-ay.

False is friendship with the false and greedy. False is its foundation.

mrxu n jwpY mUilAw AwvY ikqY Qwie ]21] (1412-4)

maran na jaapai mooli-aa aavai kitai thaa-ay. ||21||

O Moollah, no one knows where death shall strike. ||21||

igAwn hIxM AigAwn pUjw ] (1412-4)

gi-aan heenaN agi-aan poojaa.

Without spiritual wisdom, the people worship ignorance.

AMD vrqwvw Bwau dUjw ]22] (1412-5)

anDh //taavaa bhaa-o doojaa. ||22||

They grope in the darkness, in the love of duality. ||22||

It was a means to show people how even heroes who they venerated above all others are suffering in duality.

Agreed, devis / devtay hold no significance for a Sikh , they are lower entities and are forms of joons like ours but if Guru Sahib Ji acknowledges their existence then who are we to deny it?

You don't need to accept them, that's the basis of this whole argument. They provide lessons which anyone (even someone who even refuses to believe in them), can easily grasp.

It is so easy to call everything a metaphor, rather it is deep down our lack of understanding.

you're right, none of us are perfect. However if you want to follow Gurbani word for word don't pick and choose as you put it. You'll have to believe a mythical bull is holding the earth up and beneath it is a turtle.

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There is No bani written by Guru Gobind Singh ji under the title "Chandi di Vaar" its original name is "Durga di Vaar" which was later edited to new name by Sodak Committee. There are hardly any hand written sroops of compiled dasam granth sahib but which ever are available has the older title and even the end of bani it self it says Durga Path Baneya Saabe Porihan Fir Na Juni Ayyea Jin Eh gayea. and Durga chandi Kali bahgauti all are same thing.

There is no time frame of sunset or early morning to read any bani. In Hinduism yes they do believe you should not worship certain Gods after sunsets like kali bhairo shani dev etc but nothing like that is sikhism.

Remember these powers are created by God and they are beyond our imagination they are not bound to a time frame to hurt you. If chandi wants to do you any damage it can do broad day light. Moreover she is not going to appear and ask you how dare you read my praise at 10 Pm in night.

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Guru Granth Sahib Ji would not mention anything that was made up or mythology. Guru Ji talks the truth.

If Guru Ji talks of Krishan Ji, Ram Ji, Hanuman, Ravan, dhents, devis, kinars, ghandarvas, Parya, then it is the truth.

Preach!

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I thought Guru Angad dev ji used to do durga puja. When he saw Guru Nanak dev Ji, he realised that he had found a greater Guru and stopped doing devi Darshan. However here we seem to be wanting to go back to devi puja.

Sometimes I think we fail to use our common sense. If bani from Akal purakh can be recited at any time, apart from a few guidelines for nitnem banis, then what makes chandhi dhi vaar so different from other banis.

Deh siva // mohe ehe subh karman te kabhu na daru is one line which can fill you with bir ras too. You may decide to recite it all night or just in the morning or only in tough situations. Some mahapurakh have continuous japji jaap going on in their minds and bodies despite it being prescribed as a morning prayer.

Naam bani is medicine .....sansaar rogi naam daru.... use what works for you and whenever it does the job. The more important thing is doing it not just talking about it.

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I thought Guru Angad dev ji used to do durga puja. When he saw Guru Nanak dev Ji, he realised that he had found a greater Guru and stopped doing devi Darshan. However here we seem to be wanting to go back to devi puja.

Sometimes I think we fail to use our common sense. If bani from Akal purakh can be recited at any time, apart from a few guidelines for nitnem banis, then what makes chandhi dhi vaar so different from other banis.

Deh siva // mohe ehe subh karman te kabhu na daru is one line which can fill you with bir ras too. You may decide to recite it all night or just in the morning or only in tough situations. Some mahapurakh have continuous japji jaap going on in their minds and bodies despite it being prescribed as a morning prayer.

Naam bani is medicine .....sansaar rogi naam daru.... use what works for you and whenever it does the job. The more important thing is doing it not just talking about it.

Chandi-Di-Vaar is about getting ready to go fight; Daas wouldn't really sleep just after watching an action thing. You can read any bani at any time; however, there is a reason the Punj Bania are in the morning; while Rehras is at the evening; and Kirtan Sohila at night. Even though you can do it anytime; these are the recommended times. Also Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji isn't worshipping Durga, but rather Akal Purukh. Edited by Jacfsing2

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Guru Granth Sahib Ji would not mention anything that was made up or mythology. Guru Ji talks the truth.

If Guru Ji talks of Krishan Ji, Ram Ji, Hanuman, Ravan, dhents, devis, kinars, ghandarvas, Parya, then it is the truth.

Gurbani calls the world false; so how would they call any of these people you mentioned real.

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Gurbani calls the world false; so how would they call any of these people you mentioned real.

Shows your own lack of understanding.

This world is false, yet Guru Ji says that our aatma is immortal, so how do you reconcile this?

These "people" you so call, also have aatma so they are as real or false as you or I.

At the beginning of Anand Sahib Ji Guru Amar Das Ji mentions “Parriya gavan aiyha”. Parriya are celestial beings with wings, what the west call angels, yet Guru Ji mentions them. Guru Ji would not have mentioned them if these were made up things.

The devis/devtays , Raavan, Hanuman etc etc are mentioned in shabads to illustrate a point, but they are only used because they were/are real, Guru Ji does not deal with untruths.

When Guru Arjan Dev Ji were compiling Guru Granth Sahib Ji many spiritual people came to offer their compositions. Guru Ji read and contemplated them and if they were not in line with Gurmukh thought then they were rejected. If there were any untruths in them they were rejected, so everything in Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the truth, Guru Ji does not deal with untruths, so if these beings are mentioned, in whatever context, then they are real.

Dasam Granth recites exploits of the chaubise avatar, if these were made up stories then Guru Ji would have rejected them, as they did with offered compositions in their fifth saroop. Guru Ji does not deal with untruth made up stories.

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In chaubis avtar Guru Sahib wrote about 24th avtaar ie nehkalank avtar. Do you believe he will come in future kill all bad people and end kalyugha and start satyugha ?

ਇਮ ਕਲਕੀ ਅਵਤਾਰ ਜੀਤੇ ਜੁੱਧ ਸਭੈ ਨ੍ਰਿਪਤਿ ॥ ਕੀਨੋ ਰਾਜ ਸੁਧਾਰ ਬੀਸ ਸਹੰਸ ਦਸ ਲਖ ਬਰਖ ॥੫੭੬॥

In this way Kalki incarnation conquered all the kings and ruled for ten lakh and twenty thousand years .576.

1667110 ਦਸਮ ਗਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਪੰਨਾ ੧੧੯੧ ਪੰ. ੧੦

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Bhai Jasaa Singh Ji, I am surprised by your question. You do not believe it ? The bani of your Guru and you are questioning it ?

Shame on you yaar !

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