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dallysingh101    1,582
3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

"Gay abandon." That's exactly what it is, lol.

I reckon there's a considerable number of bisexuals back home, but there's none of that labelling that goes in the West. They seem to have a very fluid perception of such things. 

The things that people get-up to over there that are never mentioned... you'd be surprised. And it's not just limited to the guys. Oh no, not at all. It all goes down in a hush-hush manner. 

My first ever job, many decades ago was in a macho as hell Panjabi warehouse. Those guys there weren't remotely ashamed to tell it like it was in the villages of back home regarding homosexuality. And they were all married with kids. To them it was all acceptable. 

I think our communities approach is to 'hear no evil, see no evil'. It's like an unwritten rule to let things be as long as they don't emerge about the surface conservatism we have going on. 

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dallysingh101    1,582
On 2/6/2017 at 10:31 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

What's wrong with knowing where our ancestors came from? Unless we were Adivasi our ancestors probably came somewhere else than the Indian subcontinent. As long as it doesn't actually lead to discrimination; then it's all good to know where our ancestors came from.

You know what the problem is:

 

That messing around in this territory has been the number one cause of disunity since Anglos introduced all these dubious theories of Aryan invasions and Scythians and what not. Our lot are too egotistical not to twist things into some stupid caste system from it all. Better to emphasise what we have in common as Sikhs instead, and promote Sikh values instead of divisive, outsider racialised theories.  

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Jacfsing2    1,831
35 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

You know what the problem is:

 

That messing around in this territory has been the number one cause of disunity since Anglos introduced all these dubious theories of Aryan invasions and Scythians and what not. Our lot are too egotistical not to twist things into some stupid caste system from it all. Better to emphasise what we have in common as Sikhs instead, and promote Sikh values instead of divisive, outsider racialised theories.  

If Punjab was never invaded by anyone; that land would be called today Madra Desha; from the ancient times. Also Punjabis don't bow to Ksychatrias and Brahmins; so I highly doubt they actually believe in the caste system; (Jaats are equal to Shudras according to it), also even Guru Sahib knew who his physical ancestors were; even though he didn't really recommend too much expansion on it, (Ram from Ramayana), do you believe most Punjabis are somehow Adivasi; cause they don't look Adivasi to me. (They are the original Subcontinentals).

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2 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If Punjab was never invaded by anyone; that land would be called today Madra Desha; from the ancient times. Also Punjabis don't bow to Ksychatrias and Brahmins; so I highly doubt they actually believe in the caste system; (Jaats are equal to Shudras according to it), also even Guru Sahib knew who his physical ancestors were; even though he didn't really recommend too much expansion on it, (Ram from Ramayana), do you believe most Punjabis are somehow Adivasi; cause they don't look Adivasi to me. (They are the original Subcontinentals).

Neither the Brahmins or the kshtriyas had any bearing on Punjab. When it was called Sapta Sindhu it was known to disregard the Indian caste system. When it was known by its Greek name of Pento Potamia Greek travellers wrote how the people there do not adhere to India's traditional caste system. When the great Chinese traveller Hsuan Tsangs wrote of his travels in Punjab he wrote how the people there (in Punjab) have their own system of heirarchy and pay no heed to heed to the 'Indian' system. That is why, in the whole of the sub-continent, Punjab has always been the one place where 'Brahmins' have always hardly existed. In Alexander the Great's famous letter home to his mother in Greece he remarks how the Punjab is unlike any place he or his men have ever set foot in. He said the people there have such an egalitarian spirit that the women work the fields alongside the men. And lets end on what the actual Bhuddha himself said about Punjab. He said the people of that land are extremely free-spirited, fond of free speech and free thought and thus no one organized system of religion could flourish there for too long. 

The moral of the story is : You can't use India's caste system, India's history, India's culture as examples of anything when it comes to Punjab. Punjab has a history and culture of its own. A far richer and unique system. Just because the Greeks ruled over us it doesn't make us Greek. Just because the Mughals ruled over us it doesn't make us Mughals. Just because the British ruled over us it doesn't make us British. Just because India rules over us it doesn't make us Indian. Always remember that WE also ruled over OURSELVES and WE ARE WE !

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dallysingh101    1,582
1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Also Punjabis don't bow to Ksychatrias and Brahmins; so I highly doubt they actually believe in the caste system;

What has happened is that the majority of apnay have jettisoned the traditional Indic caste system of varna, and replaced with a new one they've created themselves.

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jkvlondon    3,413
8 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

Have you not scene the way apnay walk around smiling and holding hands like proper gaylords in Panjab???

seen it more in Pakistan then in Punjab , even pakistani /Indian freshies I've seen doing this in Green Street , but they soon stop . What's with the long painted pinky fingernail ? is that some kind of drug implement or code like the pierced ear in guys( meaning guy likes guys)

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jkvlondon    3,413
46 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

What has happened is that the majority of apnay have jettisoned the traditional Indic caste system of varna, and replaced with a new one they've created themselves.

but it doesn't stop them criticising and belittling those of lesser opportunities than themselves in life which is so Antigurmat . Honestly, I would take all those jaaat named gurdwarey and rename them Gurdwara Naam Niwas ...

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Jacfsing2    1,831
2 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

seen it more in Pakistan then in Punjab , even pakistani /Indian freshies I've seen doing this in Green Street , but they soon stop . What's with the long painted pinky fingernail ? is that some kind of drug implement or code like the pierced ear in guys( meaning guy likes guys)

So gay culture would've come from the Middle Eastern invaders? They'd be having very strange Kaamic interests, http://postober.com/general/top-10-countries-that-watch-the-most-porn/ since the southern bible belt watches more porn, I think it has something to do with the forbidden factor.

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jkvlondon    3,413
7 hours ago, Jacfsing2 said:

So gay culture would've come from the Middle Eastern invaders? They'd be having very strange Kaamic interests, http://postober.com/general/top-10-countries-that-watch-the-most-porn/ since the southern bible belt watches more porn, I think it has something to do with the forbidden factor.

Islam is the only faith promoting the idea of 'serving boys' 'virgins' in jannat to do with what you will ...and I seem to remember a musalah comeback to Jagraj Veer ji if there isn't that but only Bhagti in Jannat then why would I want to go ? (hyde park series). Looking at the popular sites names list in Pakistan there seem to be a lot of incest related ones ...sick puppies . Yeah could be the strictness of purdah turns them into raving maniacs ...but methinks the faith doesn't help with so much kaamic thought encouragement  both in this  lok and the next.. 

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MisterrSingh    2,802
15 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

My first ever job, many decades ago was in a macho as hell Panjabi warehouse. Those guys there weren't remotely ashamed to tell it like it was in the villages of back home regarding homosexuality. And they were all married with kids. To them it was all acceptable.  

I wonder if the brothers who came over to the UK during the work permit craze of the Noughties partook in some of those shenanigans, what with 6 or more guys to a room, little to no female contact for a considerable period of time, etc. Actually, I should stop wondering about stuff like that, lol. There's got to be a reason why they don't get worked up about stuff like that, as opposed to guys like us who get uncomfortable when another fella's glance lingers longer than what's normally acceptable. There's got to be some historic cultural precedence from ages ago that informs that kind of carry on.

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dallysingh101    1,582
9 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

I wonder if the brothers who came over to the UK during the work permit craze of the Noughties partook in some of those shenanigans, what with 6 or more guys to a room, little to no female contact for a considerable period of time, etc. Actually, I should stop wondering about stuff like that, lol. There's got to be a reason why they don't get worked up about stuff like that, as opposed to guys like us who get uncomfortable when another fella's glance lingers longer than what's normally acceptable. There's got to be some historic cultural precedence from ages ago that informs that kind of carry on.

What you posted reminded me of some funny old stories from back in the day: During the late 80s at that first job I mentioned, I remember this other young guy there (an apna too, who was a couple of years older than me), he used to smoke hash hardcore, but he was cool. 

Anyway, some of the older blokes in the warehouse lived 'on premises' and in the evenings (after the warehouse closed) would have the typical drink 'session' now and then (it was a booze warehouse). This other young brother must have joined them one day and started to get stoned and plastered. Then he never came in the day after (which was weird)  and when he did, he came to me all wild eyed and paranoid (he was generally like that from all the ganja I guess?), and told me that 'mad things' happened that night he had a drink up. 

Apparently, some of the olders (who were mostly married and not at all camp - they were very masculine and mad fighters actually - and known for it), must have misread this young guy and thought he was up for some backdoor partying causing him to flee the warehouse in alarm! lol

That's how it goes. They sorted it out as a 'misunderstanding' afterwards but......

 

Same firm, a few years later, and some Pakistani family have persuaded the bosses to give their confused, camp a55 son a job there. Presumably to de-gayafy him in that hyper-masculine environment? But he'd bowl around the warehouse topless, mincing about saying things  like 'Tu mery bh**d maar ne aa?" 

He went missing for a few days too. When he came back he was all subdued and wasn't saying what he'd been saying previously. The story doing the rounds in the warehouse at the time was that some older sardar (he was from backhome, an archetype Jut uncle, big, greying beard, mooch vhut, hardworking as hell - I thought he was a nice guy myself), grabbed him in some quiet area when he kept saying what I quoted above, and the sardar stuck something up his jacksy, warning him next time he said what he'd been saying, he'd actually get what he wanted. 

I think there is a lot more gandu action going on in the community than we'd imagine. And from people we'd least imagine it from. 

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MisterrSingh    2,802
21 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

...I think there is a lot more gandu action going on in the community than we'd imagine. And from people we'd least imagine it from. 

Oh man, that whole post you wrote was dank. I had an inkling things were bubbling under the surface, but not to that extent. They're like Romans... or Spartans, at least. They've got a wife and kids at home for the sake of appearances, but when the gaandu fever strikes all bets are off. Never mind lock up your daughters, it's protect your sons, with those kind of Punjabis on the loose.

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dallysingh101    1,582
35 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Oh man, that whole post you wrote was dank. I had an inkling things were bubbling under the surface, but not to that extent. They're like Romans... or Spartans, at least. They've got a wife and kids at home for the sake of appearances, but when the gaandu fever strikes all bets are off. Never mind lock up your daughters, it's protect your sons, with those kind of Punjabis on the loose.

No need to get paranoid. The simple truth is that we've got our own fair share of gandus like everyone else. One way in which we've effed up as a community is not making our kids 'streetwise' to these common human things (in my opinion). That's why you get our lot (especially the girls)  walking into all kinds of dumb ish with their eyes wide shut.

We as parents, and as a wider community need to take extra care of our vulnerable. Because parents do eff up sometimes, and whilst they are struggling to deal with their own crap, their kids are vulnerable as hell. Both from predatory forces within our community, as well as those outside. 

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10 hours ago, dallysingh101 said:

No need to get paranoid. The simple truth is that we've got our own fair share of gandus like everyone else. One way in which we've effed up as a community is not making our kids 'streetwise' to these common human things (in my opinion). That's why you get our lot (especially the girls)  walking into all kinds of dumb ish with their eyes wide shut.

We as parents, and as a wider community need to take extra care of our vulnerable. Because parents do eff up sometimes, and whilst they are struggling to deal with their own crap, their kids are vulnerable as hell. Both from predatory forces within our community, as well as those outside. 

if people ACTUALLY READ or listened to chaitropakiyan they would wake up a bit ...it is basically the warning we are meant to give our kids since we received it from our GuruPita ji too. We cannot afford to do the victorian thing and not tell our kids anything because it makes us uncomfortable only to have some miscreant do them over . I mean in my household we do not watch any bollywood stuff but hollywood and the music scene is bad enough to make my lads reckon there is something wrong unless they have girlfriend ... They seem to drop their heart easily and at the wrong type girl's feet ,I don't think I'm the only one seeing the blatant sexualising of everything and the age group getting lower and lower . The number of child on child sexual assaults are growing , the latest I read an 11 year old raped over five under 13s after getting influenced by porn and our kids can access it through their smartphones , forget about just policing the PCs. We need to talk to the lads just as much as the lasses, if the guys think it's OK to be loose morally they will not protect their sisters , because of the liberal agenda ....

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dallysingh101    1,582
3 hours ago, jkvlondon said:

if people ACTUALLY READ or listened to chaitropakiyan they would wake up a bit ...it is basically the warning we are meant to give our kids since we received it from our GuruPita ji too. We cannot afford to do the victorian thing and not tell our kids anything because it makes us uncomfortable only to have some miscreant do them over . I mean in my household we do not watch any bollywood stuff but hollywood and the music scene is bad enough to make my lads reckon there is something wrong unless they have girlfriend ... They seem to drop their heart easily and at the wrong type girl's feet ,I don't think I'm the only one seeing the blatant sexualising of everything and the age group getting lower and lower . The number of child on child sexual assaults are growing , the latest I read an 11 year old raped over five under 13s after getting influenced by porn and our kids can access it through their smartphones , forget about just policing the PCs. We need to talk to the lads just as much as the lasses, if the guys think it's OK to be loose morally they will not protect their sisters , because of the liberal agenda ....

I've asked this before, at what age do bibian think it is appropriate to start broaching the subject matter of CP with the youth, especially young girls?

You have to be careful with your sons, especially if they are mixed race. We aren't in a position to dictate arrange marriages in this day and age. And frankly speaking, mums have to be careful of not being overbearing with their sons (many Panjabi Sikh women are like this, naturally, and they don't even perceive it!) because in the same way abusive dads become models for the types of men daughters go on to seek, an overbearing mom easily becomes the archetype for boys who become attracted to bossy, dominating women in adulthood - I've seen it umpteen times, even in my own family.  This continually locks males into dysfunctional relationships. 

The whole issue of attracting females is a big one for Sikh males in this day and age, where a failure to be able to do so leads to all manner of self-esteem issues and isolation. Especially when they grow up seeing umpteen Sikh females having relationships with all and sundry. 

 

For the record, I don't think them having 'girlfriends' makes them prone to be indifferent to protecting their sisters. If anything it may well give them an insight into female psychology that they wouldn't get otherwise.  

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