Some Home Truths

[dallysingh101]

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Maybe it's me but after Alexander died there seemed to be cooling of the whole bro-mance scene ...could this be conservative hetero attitude from Punjab?

Have you not scene the way apnay walk around smiling and holding hands like proper gaylords in Panjab???

[Guest Jacfsing2]

On 2/6/2017 at 8:56 PM, jkvlondon said:

I reckon we influenced their cuisine and there is quite a lot of similarity in between the two cultures attitudes to family honour and loyalty, extended family, sense of humour.

Maybe it's me but after Alexander died there seemed to be cooling of the whole bro-mance scene ...could this be conservative hetero attitude from Punjab?

Our Pre-Sikh ancestors were probably so liberal that they make Badal look like some Mahapurukh. Punjab as a whole only became conservative once the Sikh Empire had fell; (if you looked at their Keskis they look like they could be taken off very easily by the enemy). Also many Spartans, (who were Ksychatrias of Greece), wouldn't even know who their families were; if you compared that to Hindu Ksychatria clans then they'd probably know their relatives in and out. Also some of the stuff Subcontinental people would be considered gay in the West.

[MisterrSingh]

56 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

Have you not scene the way apnay walk around smiling and holding hands like proper gaylords in Panjab???

Does that kind of stuff still go on over there?

[dallysingh101]

31 minutes ago, MisterrSingh said:

Does that kind of stuff still go on over there?

I'm actually more worried about the way I wrote 'scene' instead of 'seen' right now...... dementia cometh! lol

But yeah, as far as I'm aware they still do this with gay abandon. 

To the unfamiliar eye it looks like they are off to find somewhere quiet for some gay shenanigans. 

[MisterrSingh]

1 hour ago, dallysingh101 said:

I'm actually more worried about the way I wrote 'scene' instead of 'seen' right now...... dementia cometh! lol

But yeah, as far as I'm aware they still do this with gay abandon. 

To the unfamiliar eye it looks like they are off to find somewhere quiet for some gay shenanigans. 

"Gay abandon." That's exactly what it is, lol.

I reckon there's a considerable number of bisexuals back home, but there's none of that labelling that goes in the West. They seem to have a very fluid perception of such things. 

The things that people get-up to over there that are never mentioned... you'd be surprised. And it's not just limited to the guys. Oh no, not at all. It all goes down in a hush-hush manner. 

[dallysingh101]

3 hours ago, MisterrSingh said:

"Gay abandon." That's exactly what it is, lol.

I reckon there's a considerable number of bisexuals back home, but there's none of that labelling that goes in the West. They seem to have a very fluid perception of such things. 

The things that people get-up to over there that are never mentioned... you'd be surprised. And it's not just limited to the guys. Oh no, not at all. It all goes down in a hush-hush manner. 

My first ever job, many decades ago was in a macho as hell Panjabi warehouse. Those guys there weren't remotely ashamed to tell it like it was in the villages of back home regarding homosexuality. And they were all married with kids. To them it was all acceptable. 

I think our communities approach is to 'hear no evil, see no evil'. It's like an unwritten rule to let things be as long as they don't emerge about the surface conservatism we have going on. 

[dallysingh101]

On 2/6/2017 at 10:31 PM, Jacfsing2 said:

What's wrong with knowing where our ancestors came from? Unless we were Adivasi our ancestors probably came somewhere else than the Indian subcontinent. As long as it doesn't actually lead to discrimination; then it's all good to know where our ancestors came from.

You know what the problem is:

 

That messing around in this territory has been the number one cause of disunity since Anglos introduced all these dubious theories of Aryan invasions and Scythians and what not. Our lot are too egotistical not to twist things into some stupid caste system from it all. Better to emphasise what we have in common as Sikhs instead, and promote Sikh values instead of divisive, outsider racialised theories.  

[Guest Jacfsing2]

35 minutes ago, dallysingh101 said:

You know what the problem is:

 

That messing around in this territory has been the number one cause of disunity since Anglos introduced all these dubious theories of Aryan invasions and Scythians and what not. Our lot are too egotistical not to twist things into some stupid caste system from it all. Better to emphasise what we have in common as Sikhs instead, and promote Sikh values instead of divisive, outsider racialised theories.  

If Punjab was never invaded by anyone; that land would be called today Madra Desha; from the ancient times. Also Punjabis don't bow to Ksychatrias and Brahmins; so I highly doubt they actually believe in the caste system; (Jaats are equal to Shudras according to it), also even Guru Sahib knew who his physical ancestors were; even though he didn't really recommend too much expansion on it, (Ram from Ramayana), do you believe most Punjabis are somehow Adivasi; cause they don't look Adivasi to me. (They are the original Subcontinentals).

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2 minutes ago, Jacfsing2 said:

If Punjab was never invaded by anyone; that land would be called today Madra Desha; from the ancient times. Also Punjabis don't bow to Ksychatrias and Brahmins; so I highly doubt they actually believe in the caste system; (Jaats are equal to Shudras according to it), also even Guru Sahib knew who his physical ancestors were; even though he didn't really recommend too much expansion on it, (Ram from Ramayana), do you believe most Punjabis are somehow Adivasi; cause they don't look Adivasi to me. (They are the original Subcontinentals).

Neither the Brahmins or the kshtriyas had any bearing on Punjab. When it was called Sapta Sindhu it was known to disregard the Indian caste system. When it was known by its Greek name of Pento Potamia Greek travellers wrote how the people there do not adhere to India's traditional caste system. When the great Chinese traveller Hsuan Tsangs wrote of his travels in Punjab he wrote how the people there (in Punjab) have their own system of heirarchy and pay no heed to heed to the 'Indian' system. That is why, in the whole of the sub-continent, Punjab has always been the one place where 'Brahmins' have always hardly existed. In Alexander the Great's famous letter home to his mother in Greece he remarks how the Punjab is unlike any place he or his men have ever set foot in. He said the people there have such an egalitarian spirit that the women work the fields alongside the men. And lets end on what the actual Bhuddha himself said about Punjab. He said the people of that land are extremely free-spirited, fond of free speech and free thought and thus no one organized system of religion could flourish there for too long. 

The moral of the story is : You can't use India's caste system, India's history, India's culture as examples of anything when it comes to Punjab. Punjab has a history and culture of its own. A far richer and unique system. Just because the Greeks ruled over us it doesn't make us Greek. Just because the Mughals ruled over us it doesn't make us Mughals. Just because the British ruled over us it doesn't make us British. Just because India rules over us it doesn't make us Indian. Always remember that WE also ruled over OURSELVES and WE ARE WE !

[dallysingh101]

1 hour ago, Jacfsing2 said:

Also Punjabis don't bow to Ksychatrias and Brahmins; so I highly doubt they actually believe in the caste system;

What has happened is that the majority of apnay have jettisoned the traditional Indic caste system of varna, and replaced with a new one they've created themselves.