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Why Nanaksar Ragiis Are Celibate?

Great post Pen Jee.

I have enumerated 5 main points in it

So the next thing to ask ourselves, is, is it really necessary for us to become celibates to achieve union with Wahiguru Akal Purukh?

Because that must be the reason for the Nanaksar Ragis to be celibates.

Well for them I can not say much, because everone has got his/her own "mat" due to their past karmas, sanskaras, , be it a chor, a thug, a sant, or a mahatma ....

Let us see around ourselves who are the most perfect beings.

Of course, the first thoughts coming will surely be of our beloved Guru Sahibans.

Let us keep a closer look at them as role models for all the humanity, apart from the highest spiritual consciouss level they carried within.

You see, by trying to forcefully control kaam, it is like keeping a poisnous serpent in a tightly coverd basket, as long it is there it does not bite, but the moment as soon as it is opened, it bites and injects its poison.

In a similar way, we may try to suppress kaam by various techniques, but the thing is, that kaam like serpent, is latent there, it is waiting to get the right moment to bite.

And we all know how big rishis and munis were attacked and defeated by kaam, even after very long periods of tapasya.

Kaam is natural need for the body to an extent for the beings. The thing is not to indulge in it. Even devis, devtas have kaam in them, nobody is free from it.

Once even Brahma, under the influence of kaam, was going to do nonsense with his own daughter.

Nobody is free from kaam, except, of course, the bhagat jan, the gurmukhs, our Guru Sahibans...

Why?

Because of them being absorbed in Naam /Shabad Dhun. they are filled with Naam in each pore, each cell of their being.

There is a saying, there where is Naam, no kaam can ever exist.

Guru Sahibans, are quite aware of all our weaknesses. They know, we can not leave kaam or any vikar just like that, so they blessed us with gurmat, to wash our durmat, and with the jugtee of Naam simran, we too can gradually get rid of all the vikars, "maya" and "man", and in due time, with His apaar grace, become immaculate and be worthy of merging in Him and becoming one with Him, ithout any distiction

Such is the beant wadeeayee of our pyara preetam Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Sat Sree Akal.

Harsharan ji, are you saying that Grehasti is free from Kaam or have it under control ?

We need a Reality Check here :-)

Gurmat says have intimate relations only with your spouse but majority of householders have sex before & after marriage (other then spouse)

So how are they better !

Most migrants leave their wives at home & stay away for long durations.

After tasting "forbidden fruit" how then do they manage ?

If they can manage why can't celibates.

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Brother Singhbj Ji,

interesting observations made by you above.

But if anyone trespasses the law, the law is not at fault.

So if Gurmat says, having intimate with your spouse, and the majority, as you say, do not follow it, it is people´s fault. The trespassers will be fined for it.

These trespassers know not Gurmat, nor anything about Naam or Shabad, so naturally they are prey to "kaam vaasna",poor fellows....... so how come will they ever not do these mistakes.

And the worst part is, they do not even know, kaam is a vikar.

For them( vishtaa ke kirey ) kaam, is a hobby....

Then forget these people, but brother Singh jee, even in our khalsa panth, if we do not follow Gurmat implicitly, we can also probably be victims of kaam, and as well as other vikars.

Just as if we are driving the car, and there is red signal, if we do not stop until it is green, it is just normal, that we will be fined by the police/law, or incurr in an accident which can have fatalistc results for us.

Gurmat is perfect by itself. It is we who are weak in faith, and will power to follow morality and righteousness, and then foolishly give excuses.

I also mentioned our Guru Sahibans as an example or role model for us, as they themselves were girashtees.

And moreover Singh paa jee, as you say, most of the world beleives in: yeh jag meetha, agla kin deetha.

Gurmat is only for those, who want intensely desire Wahiguru, and thus do the needful, to achieve this their objective of being born as humans.

Sat Sree Akal.

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There have been, throughout history, many intellectual and philosophical discussions within Sikhi. This is natural as man needs to find peace as to why he is here. But.......this is the first time in Sikh history....and the history of Sikh intellectual discussion worldwide.....that a thread espousing Ghandiesque celibacy has reached 14 pages.

Gandhi, if you'll remember, was a great supporter of celibacy, and so used to sleep naked with his young neices in order to show how "devoted to God he was" and how his celibacy "could not, in the slightest, tempt him".

In this day and age, when men with such thoughts will undoubetdly be placed on the sex offenders register as definitive perverts its hard to understand why anyone still, on page 14 of a thread that never needed to be born in the first place, is still arguing the Ghandiesque point of view.

For those of you new to the world, perhaps only just come out of your mother's womb, Ghandi was a man who, to the whole world, kinda represents Hinduism. But leaving that aside lets go back to the Indian ascetic train of thought about celibacy.

Our Gurus have told you time and time and time and time and time and time again that it is your duty as a Sikh to marry, have kids, work hard (not claim social security...not commit mortgage/insurance fraud (i.e social security) and live the life of an honest hardworking householder. So what exactly is it that makes so many 'Sikhs' on this thread ignore the obvious and embrace the hindu ascetic Gandhiesque philosophy ? :wow:

I don't know but...as I said before on a previous page...assuming these Gandiesque lovers are right (and of course we should all do whats right) I'll be celibate...you'll be celibate....uncle Joginder will be celibate....cousin Manpreet will be celibate....auntie kalwainder will be celibate......cousin Simran will no longer exist because uncle Joginder was celibate......cousin Jaspreet will be celibate........nephew Arun will be celibate....neice Prabhjyot will be celibate and then...............BANG :wow: There's no one left. No Sikh is getting married and so no Sikh is having babies anymore and so the Sikh population of the world = Zero. :surrender:

Welcome, my friends, to the world (thread) of the people that have more time than sense and take a non-brainer issue like this to 14 pages.

Our lot are gullible. The celibates twist a few words here and there and lo and behold! Celibacy becomes a scientific fact.

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Our lot are gullible. The celibates twist a few words here and there and lo and behold! Celibacy becomes a scientific fact.

Not everyone is meant to be married.

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Not everyone is meant to be married.

Only benders say that. Are you a bender? You got Grindr installed on your phone?

I'm pulling your leg, bro, I know your tastes lie strictly in the hetero sphere... I've checked your internet history. I'm kidding!

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Only benders say that. Are you a bender? You got Grindr installed on your phone?

I'm pulling your leg, bro, I know your tastes lie strictly in the hetero sphere... I've checked your internet history. I'm kidding!

The spoiler was just strange. Also what's a bender? (Is that some regional slang?)

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The spoiler was just strange. Also what's a bender? (Is that some regional slang?)

'Bender' is a colloquial term used for a plumber, but was co-opted by the homosexual community in the 1890's to refer to someone who is a Friend of Dorothy.

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Brother Singhbj Ji,

interesting observations made by you above.

But if anyone trespasses the law, the law is not at fault.

So if Gurmat says, having intimate with your spouse, and the majority, as you say, do not follow it, it is people´s fault. The trespassers will be fined for it.

These trespassers know not Gurmat, nor anything about Naam or Shabad, so naturally they are prey to "kaam vaasna",poor fellows....... so how come will they ever not do these mistakes.

And the worst part is, they do not even know, kaam is a vikar.

For them( vishtaa ke kirey ) kaam, is a hobby....

Then forget these people, but brother Singh jee, even in our khalsa panth, if we do not follow Gurmat implicitly, we can also probably be victims of kaam, and as well as other vikars.

Just as if we are driving the car, and there is red signal, if we do not stop until it is green, it is just normal, that we will be fined by the police/law, or incurr in an accident which can have fatalistc results for us.

Gurmat is perfect by itself. It is we who are weak in faith, and will power to follow morality and righteousness, and then foolishly give excuses.

I also mentioned our Guru Sahibans as an example or role model for us, as they themselves were girashtees.

And moreover Singh paa jee, as you say, most of the world beleives in: yeh jag meetha, agla kin deetha.

Gurmat is only for those, who want intensely desire Wahiguru, and thus do the needful, to achieve this their objective of being born as humans.

Sat Sree Akal.

I'm just saying Nobody's Perfect, whether grehasti or celibate.

Kudos to grehasti's who are Dharmi n celibates who are Bairaagi (free from attachment).

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I'm just saying Nobody's Perfect, whether grehasti or celibate.

Kudos to grehasti's who are Dharmi n celibates who are Bairaagi (free from attachment).

Very well said.

And if that is the case, we ourselves are our own blockers for not trying to be so, in any case perfection for both of these two parties can only be had by keeping as goal and merging in Him, the only Perfect One, which is none other than Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Only full devoted bhakti, is the needful requirement.

Waheguru.

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the term is actually "Gender Bender" and the person is also referred to as "Bent"

If someone understands that "Kaam" is NOT "sex" and that "sex" is NOT "kaam".....then I may continue to have some fruitful discussion on this misunderstood topic.

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This very forum had a lengthy discussion 10+ years ago regarding a Nanaksar giani (can't recall the precise status he held in the Nanaksar establishment) and paedophilia activity with a child in Edmonton/Calgary.

There are very obvious clear reasons why the guru's advocated family life for Sikhs.

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Not everyone is meant to be married.

I am indebted to you for so swiftly substantiating my point.

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There have been, throughout history, many intellectual and philosophical discussions within Sikhi. This is natural as man needs to find peace as to why he is here. But.......this is the first time in Sikh history....and the history of Sikh intellectual discussion worldwide.....that a thread espousing Ghandiesque celibacy has reached 14 pages.

Gandhi, if you'll remember, was a great supporter of celibacy, and so used to sleep naked with his young neices in order to show how "devoted to God he was" and how his celibacy "could not, in the slightest, tempt him".

In this day and age, when men with such thoughts will undoubetdly be placed on the sex offenders register as definitive perverts its hard to understand why anyone still, on page 14 of a thread that never needed to be born in the first place, is still arguing the Ghandiesque point of view.

For those of you new to the world, perhaps only just come out of your mother's womb, Ghandi was a man who, to the whole world, kinda represents Hinduism. But leaving that aside lets go back to the Indian ascetic train of thought about celibacy.

Our Gurus have told you time and time and time and time and time and time again that it is your duty as a Sikh to marry, have kids, work hard (not claim social security...not commit mortgage/insurance fraud (i.e social security) and live the life of an honest hardworking householder. So what exactly is it that makes so many 'Sikhs' on this thread ignore the obvious and embrace the hindu ascetic Gandhiesque philosophy ? :wow:

I don't know but...as I said before on a previous page...assuming these Gandiesque lovers are right (and of course we should all do whats right) I'll be celibate...you'll be celibate....uncle Joginder will be celibate....cousin Manpreet will be celibate....auntie kalwainder will be celibate......cousin Simran will no longer exist because uncle Joginder was celibate......cousin Jaspreet will be celibate........nephew Arun will be celibate....neice Prabhjyot will be celibate and then...............BANG :wow: There's no one left. No Sikh is getting married and so no Sikh is having babies anymore and so the Sikh population of the world = Zero. :surrender:

Welcome, my friends, to the world (thread) of the people that have more time than sense and take a non-brainer issue like this to 14 pages.

If he was such a celibate he should have experimented with his gharwali instead of ruining innocent lives , most girls were shunned by their families and many ended up with mental problems

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