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Celibates only are allowed into the sach khand which is situated in Hazur Sahib. I think only they are allowed to go in and get the shastars of Guru Gobind Singh Ji. These are displayed in the evening. There is one particular person who is their leader and he is the one who goes in and fetches the weapons. No one else is allowed in there. So it seems like Guru Gobind Singh Ji has laid out some rules for only celibates to serve him at a closer level.

Actually celibacy was never a maryada of Hazoor Sahib. The initial Nihungs who built the shrine were celibate but not their successors. For more info, read the following:

http://tisarpanth.blogspot.co.nz/2015/08/guardians-of-gobind_16.html

Shunning family and social life was never a maryada of the house of Nanak:

https://tisarpanthdotcom.wordpress.com/2016/02/09/the-warrior-who-was-nanak/

A relevant portion from the above article:

'Of great significance, the householder’s life, in opposition to renunciation, emphasizes social involvement in all spheres of life. So unique was this departure from traditional Indic thought, that several orders accused the Guru of having ‘diluted the milk of spiritualism with the acid of familial life.’ (53) The Guru however retorted that without the existence of families to beg from, these orders and their charades would have ceased to exist long ago. (54) Other than the adolescent Guru, Guru Harkrishen Sahib Ji all the Gurus were married men and leading householders. ‘One who is incapable of making an effort to earn a living, has his ears split (sign of asceticism; interjection ours) or becomes a mendicant. He declares himself to be a Guru or Saint but begs from door to door. Do not emulate such an individual or touch his feet. Only he knows righteousness, who earns by effort and shares his earnings with others.’ (55) It is a Herculean irony that rather than honoring the idealism of their Gurus, Sikhs instead choose to honor men who in a direct contrast to the Guru live out their lives in secluded deras, whilst renouncing the concept of family and family oriented life. Such recluses are the collective shame of the Khalsa Panth.'

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Why Nanaksar Ragiis Are Celibate?

SGGS Ang 385

गिरसत महि चिंत उदास अहंकार ॥
Girsaṯ mėh cẖinṯ uḏās ahaʼnkār.
In the householder's life, there is anxiety, and in the life of the renunciate, there is egotism.
करम करत जीअ कउ जंजार ॥३॥
Karam karaṯ jī▫a ka▫o janjār. ||3||
Performing religious rituals, the soul is entangled. ||3||
प्रभ किरपा ते मनु वसि आइआ ॥
Parabẖ kirpā ṯe man vas ā▫i▫ā.
By God's Grace, the mind is brought under control;
नानक गुरमुखि तरी तिनि माइआ ॥४॥
Nānak gurmukẖ ṯarī ṯin mā▫i▫ā. ||4||
O Nanak, the Gurmukh crosses over the ocean of Maya. ||4||
साधसंगि हरि कीरतनु गाईऐ ॥
Sāḏẖsang har kīrṯan gā▫ī▫ai.
In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, sing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises.
इहु असथानु गुरू ते पाईऐ ॥१॥ रहाउ दूजा ॥७॥५८॥
Ih asthān gurū ṯe pā▫ī▫ai. ||1|| rahā▫o ḏūjā. ||7||58||
This place is found through the Guru. ||1||Second. Pause||7||58||
5)The way cannot be found by either being married or celibate. It can however be found with the grace of the Guru, nadar.

Great post Pen Jee.

I have enumerated 5 main points in it

So the next thing to ask ourselves, is, is it really necessary for us to become celibates to achieve union with Wahiguru Akal Purukh?

Because that must be the reason for the Nanaksar Ragis to be celibates.

Well for them I can not say much, because everone has got his/her own "mat" due to their past karmas, sanskaras, , be it a chor, a thug, a sant, or a mahatma ....

Let us see around ourselves who are the most perfect beings.

Of course, the first thoughts coming will surely be of our beloved Guru Sahibans.

Let us keep a closer look at them as role models for all the humanity, apart from the highest spiritual consciouss level they carried within.

You see, by trying to forcefully control kaam, it is like keeping a poisnous serpent in a tightly coverd basket, as long it is there it does not bite, but the moment as soon as it is opened, it bites and injects its poison.

In a similar way, we may try to suppress kaam by various techniques, but the thing is, that kaam like serpent, is latent there, it is waiting to get the right moment to bite.

And we all know how big rishis and munis were attacked and defeated by kaam, even after very long periods of tapasya.

Kaam is natural need for the body to an extent for the beings. The thing is not to indulge in it. Even devis, devtas have kaam in them, nobody is free from it.

Once even Brahma, under the influence of kaam, was going to do nonsense with his own daughter.

Nobody is free from kaam, except, of course, the bhagat jan, the gurmukhs, our Guru Sahibans...

Why?

Because of them being absorbed in Naam /Shabad Dhun. they are filled with Naam in each pore, each cell of their being.

There is a saying, there where is Naam, no kaam can ever exist.

Guru Sahibans, are quite aware of all our weaknesses. They know, we can not leave kaam or any vikar just like that, so they blessed us with gurmat, to wash our durmat, and with the jugtee of Naam simran, we too can gradually get rid of all the vikars, "maya" and "man", and in due time, with His apaar grace, become immaculate and be worthy of merging in Him and becoming one with Him, ithout any distiction

Such is the beant wadeeayee of our pyara preetam Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Sat Sree Akal.

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SGGS Ang 385

ਗਿਰਸਤ ਮਹਿ ਚਿੰਤ ਉਦਾਸ ਅਹੰਕਾਰ ॥

गिरसत महि चिंत उदास अहंकार ॥

Girsaṯ mėh cẖinṯ uḏās ahaʼnkār.

In the householder's life, there is anxiety, and in the life of the renunciate, there is egotism.

ਕਰਮ ਕਰਤ ਜੀਅ ਕਉ ਜੰਜਾਰ ॥੩॥

करम करत जीअ कउ जंजार ॥३॥

Karam karaṯ jī▫a ka▫o janjār. ||3||

Performing religious rituals, the soul is entangled. ||3||

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਮਨੁ ਵਸਿ ਆਇਆ ॥

प्रभ किरपा ते मनु वसि आइआ ॥

Parabẖ kirpā ṯe man vas ā▫i▫ā.

By God's Grace, the mind is brought under control;

ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਤਰੀ ਤਿਨਿ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੪॥

नानक गुरमुखि तरी तिनि माइआ ॥४॥

Nānak gurmukẖ ṯarī ṯin mā▫i▫ā. ||4||

O Nanak, the Gurmukh crosses over the ocean of Maya. ||4||

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਗਾਈਐ ॥

साधसंगि हरि कीरतनु गाईऐ ॥

Sāḏẖsang har kīrṯan gā▫ī▫ai.

In the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, sing the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises.

ਇਹੁ ਅਸਥਾਨੁ ਗੁਰੂ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੭॥੫੮॥

इहु असथानु गुरू ते पाईऐ ॥१॥ रहाउ दूजा ॥७॥५८॥

Ih asthān gurū ṯe pā▫ī▫ai. ||1|| rahā▫o ḏūjā. ||7||58||

This place is found through the Guru. ||1||Second. Pause||7||58||

The way cannot be found by either being married or celibate. It can however be found with the grace of the Guru, nadar.

Very true !

Whether Grehasti or Celibate one will have to accept bad along with good aspect of their path.

"No rose without a thorn"

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Why Nanaksar Ragiis Are Celibate?

Great post Pen Jee.

I have enumerated 5 main points in it

So the next thing to ask ourselves, is, is it really necessary for us to become celibates to achieve union with Wahiguru Akal Purukh?

Because that must be the reason for the Nanaksar Ragis to be celibates.

Well for them I can not say much, because everone has got his/her own "mat" due to their past karmas, sanskaras, , be it a chor, a thug, a sant, or a mahatma ....

Let us see around ourselves who are the most perfect beings.

Of course, the first thoughts coming will surely be of our beloved Guru Sahibans.

Let us keep a closer look at them as role models for all the humanity, apart from the highest spiritual consciouss level they carried within.

You see, by trying to forcefully control kaam, it is like keeping a poisnous serpent in a tightly coverd basket, as long it is there it does not bite, but the moment as soon as it is opened, it bites and injects its poison.

In a similar way, we may try to suppress kaam by various techniques, but the thing is, that kaam like serpent, is latent there, it is waiting to get the right moment to bite.

And we all know how big rishis and munis were attacked and defeated by kaam, even after very long periods of tapasya.

Kaam is natural need for the body to an extent for the beings. The thing is not to indulge in it. Even devis, devtas have kaam in them, nobody is free from it.

Once even Brahma, under the influence of kaam, was going to do nonsense with his own daughter.

Nobody is free from kaam, except, of course, the bhagat jan, the gurmukhs, our Guru Sahibans...

Why?

Because of them being absorbed in Naam /Shabad Dhun. they are filled with Naam in each pore, each cell of their being.

There is a saying, there where is Naam, no kaam can ever exist.

Guru Sahibans, are quite aware of all our weaknesses. They know, we can not leave kaam or any vikar just like that, so they blessed us with gurmat, to wash our durmat, and with the jugtee of Naam simran, we too can gradually get rid of all the vikars, "maya" and "man", and in due time, with His apaar grace, become immaculate and be worthy of merging in Him and becoming one with Him, ithout any distiction

Such is the beant wadeeayee of our pyara preetam Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Sat Sree Akal.

Harsharan ji, are you saying that Grehasti is free from Kaam or have it under control ?

We need a Reality Check here :-)

Gurmat says have intimate relations only with your spouse but majority of householders have sex before & after marriage (other then spouse)

So how are they better !

Most migrants leave their wives at home & stay away for long durations.

After tasting "forbidden fruit" how then do they manage ?

If they can manage why can't celibates.

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Brother Singhbj Ji,

interesting observations made by you above.

But if anyone trespasses the law, the law is not at fault.

So if Gurmat says, having intimate with your spouse, and the majority, as you say, do not follow it, it is people´s fault. The trespassers will be fined for it.

These trespassers know not Gurmat, nor anything about Naam or Shabad, so naturally they are prey to "kaam vaasna",poor fellows....... so how come will they ever not do these mistakes.

And the worst part is, they do not even know, kaam is a vikar.

For them( vishtaa ke kirey ) kaam, is a hobby....

Then forget these people, but brother Singh jee, even in our khalsa panth, if we do not follow Gurmat implicitly, we can also probably be victims of kaam, and as well as other vikars.

Just as if we are driving the car, and there is red signal, if we do not stop until it is green, it is just normal, that we will be fined by the police/law, or incurr in an accident which can have fatalistc results for us.

Gurmat is perfect by itself. It is we who are weak in faith, and will power to follow morality and righteousness, and then foolishly give excuses.

I also mentioned our Guru Sahibans as an example or role model for us, as they themselves were girashtees.

And moreover Singh paa jee, as you say, most of the world beleives in: yeh jag meetha, agla kin deetha.

Gurmat is only for those, who want intensely desire Wahiguru, and thus do the needful, to achieve this their objective of being born as humans.

Sat Sree Akal.

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There have been, throughout history, many intellectual and philosophical discussions within Sikhi. This is natural as man needs to find peace as to why he is here. But.......this is the first time in Sikh history....and the history of Sikh intellectual discussion worldwide.....that a thread espousing Ghandiesque celibacy has reached 14 pages.

Gandhi, if you'll remember, was a great supporter of celibacy, and so used to sleep naked with his young neices in order to show how "devoted to God he was" and how his celibacy "could not, in the slightest, tempt him".

In this day and age, when men with such thoughts will undoubetdly be placed on the sex offenders register as definitive perverts its hard to understand why anyone still, on page 14 of a thread that never needed to be born in the first place, is still arguing the Ghandiesque point of view.

For those of you new to the world, perhaps only just come out of your mother's womb, Ghandi was a man who, to the whole world, kinda represents Hinduism. But leaving that aside lets go back to the Indian ascetic train of thought about celibacy.

Our Gurus have told you time and time and time and time and time and time again that it is your duty as a Sikh to marry, have kids, work hard (not claim social security...not commit mortgage/insurance fraud (i.e social security) and live the life of an honest hardworking householder. So what exactly is it that makes so many 'Sikhs' on this thread ignore the obvious and embrace the hindu ascetic Gandhiesque philosophy ? :wow:

I don't know but...as I said before on a previous page...assuming these Gandiesque lovers are right (and of course we should all do whats right) I'll be celibate...you'll be celibate....uncle Joginder will be celibate....cousin Manpreet will be celibate....auntie kalwainder will be celibate......cousin Simran will no longer exist because uncle Joginder was celibate......cousin Jaspreet will be celibate........nephew Arun will be celibate....neice Prabhjyot will be celibate and then...............BANG :wow: There's no one left. No Sikh is getting married and so no Sikh is having babies anymore and so the Sikh population of the world = Zero. :surrender:

Welcome, my friends, to the world (thread) of the people that have more time than sense and take a non-brainer issue like this to 14 pages.

Our lot are gullible. The celibates twist a few words here and there and lo and behold! Celibacy becomes a scientific fact.

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Our lot are gullible. The celibates twist a few words here and there and lo and behold! Celibacy becomes a scientific fact.

Not everyone is meant to be married.
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