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can some one tell me why ragiis of nanaksar are celibate. also why they have diffrent maryada.

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http://www.philtar.ac.uk/encyclopedia/sikhism/nanak.html

It sort of seems to stem from Guru Nank Dev jis son ... Sri Chand who was also an udasi. Udasi's cannot marry because they live in forests. However they seem to have found their way as Bhai Nand Singh their founders was guided by the Guru's.

They do not light a fire in their Guradwara and their langar is prepared by people from home who bring it to serve in the Guradwara. They also have a very big lion face or skinned lion placed in the front of the Guru Granth Sahib in their Guradwaras.

The one we visited in India had an exhibition which was opened to the public only if they promise to jap a certain number of sukhmani or japji sahib dhe path. However on pooranmashi everyone could go in and have a look at what was in the hall.

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Yes I have been to Nanaksar kaleran, and the Nanaksar sampardha have the utmost respect for Sri Guru Granth sahib ji.

The bahingams / monks as they are called - devote there whole life to the seva of maharaj ji, therefore have no worldly attachments - such as family / marriage etc

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It's a devotional thing for Nanaksari Ragis. They don't get married to dedicate their entire life to Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which is a very admirable thing.

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can some one tell me why ragiis of nanaksar are celibate. also why they have diffrent maryada.

I know some Nanaksar Raagis, but they are not celibate and are not based in India.

Which parts of Rehat Maryada are you referring to?

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"Ragiis (Monks): Our Ragiis are self-motivated, celibate and devoted to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee, Sikh religion and Sant Baba Gurdev Singh Jee. The Ragiis of our organization live a very simple life under penance. We have lot of Ragiis in India at each Gurdwara but between 5-8 Ragiis in each Gurdwara outside India. The responsibilities of each Ragii is to offer prayer, religious discourse, sing praises of the Lord in the chantry, in the Assemblies of God, which run from 2.00 A.M. reveille (pre-dawn) to 9.00 P.M. taps with slight respite in the afternoon. Our Ragiis however travel from one Gurdwara to other at all times under instruction of Highest Monk Holy Saint Baba Gurdev Singh Jee. "

GURDWARA NANAKSAR - MARYADA I think this is what he was referring to.

Okji, but the ones in UK are not celibates.

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VAHEGURU JI KA KHALSA, VAHEGURU JI KI FATEH

Residents of Nanaksar deras/Gurdwaras are celibates - they are called Bihungums. From what I understand, the intent of Nanaksar was to provide a place for those who are solely devoted to kamai and Bhagti to have a place to pursue such activities with a single mind. Raagis, paathis and other sevadaars resident to that dera (thaat) or Gurdwara are to be celibate. "Guest" kertanis/raagis (not resident to Nanaksar) can be invited and they are not required to be celibate.

Note that there is no requirement for life-long celibacy - if a Bihungum decides that he (and there are only he Bihungums at Nanaksar from what I know) cannot continue a celibate life, then he is free to pursue a house-holder life as a married person (which is very much accepted in Sikhi and given the highest of statuses).

Also, there are those who are associated with Nanaksar (received education or other Sikhi inspiration from Nanaksar or follow Nanaksar Maryada in regards to seva, Rehat, etc.) who also affiliate themselves with Nanaksar which could be married householders and there are the resident Nanaksar sevadaars (Bihungums), who must be celibate.

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Which parts of Rehat Maryada are you referring to?

having diffrent room for guru granth sahib ji. doing prakash of guru granth sahib ji twice. having guru nanak's picture in sachkhand. having no nishan sahib. singing kacchi bani.

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having diffrent room for guru granth sahib ji. doing prakash of guru granth sahib ji twice. having guru nanak's picture in sachkhand. having no nishan sahib. singing kacchi bani.

Can you explain the Kacchi bani? (Everything else you said is correct from what I've heard.

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Can you explain the Kacchi bani? (Everything else you said is correct from what I've heard.

singing dharnas which are not from gurbani.
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As long as the meaning is not twisted up some people do sing dharnas from gurbani to get the message across to people while not sounding too religious.

Nanaksar however I would say offer the greatest inspiration to people who want to work and progress seriously in the religious/spiritual part of their lives. They simply want you to get down to reality and do maximum naam jap for yourself which is the only thing which is important. That is the whole purpose of us having been given this human body and sent down on this earth.

asa mehla 5 Bhei parapat Manukh dheriya in Rehras - the whole pauri which we are supposed to read everyday explains this clearly. Anything else we do is going to be of no use to us.

So which nanksar dharnaas exactly can you say are wrong?

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So which nanksar dharnaas exactly can you say are wrong?

i am not saying dharnaas are wrong. i am just asking why they have diffrent maryada? why they do prakash of guru granth sahib ji twice? after asa di vaar why they close the doors of sachkhand?
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If they started the service at 2.00 a.m. then I suppose they may want to retire for some rest. So after their nitnem they do sukhasan. I am also assuming that in the days of war, that is probably what they did. As they may not want to leave Sri Guru Granth Sahib unattended when they are out at war.

It does leave he Guradwara visitors in a bit of a predicament to know that you are going to be visiting the guradwara and performing a mata tek when Sri Guru Granth Sahib is at sukhasan.

When we had to go out anywhere we used to perform sukhasan earlier than normal. Keeping in mind that they also do not cook at the premises, maybe that is why they perform sukhasan, however that cannot be a valid reason as sangat is always ready to do seva. Perhaps they dont want parkash when there is no ceremony going on. The best person who can explain the deeper reason maybe themselves.

if we look deeper into things then Guru has given each person a different hukam to follow. Baba Bhandha singh bahadur was given a different set of rules and Pande khan was given something else to follow. It may be that (Nanaksar) priests are simply at a different spiritual level than the rest of us. I was reading about the Buddist explanation on the stages of enlightenment. Even after initial enlightenment - the soul takes birth 7 times in order to purify itself more. These people have a reduced level of lust, moh, anger etc. They are able to remain celibate. Therefore Nanaksar maryada maybe more appropriate for their needs in order to attain full enlightenment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_stages_of_enlightenment

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