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I see u have been watchin imran yusuf's stand up videos.

Honestly never heard of him.

I lift (plagarise) my comedy directly from Paul 'Singh' Choudhry.

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Honestly never heard of him.

I lift (plagarise) my comedy directly from Paul 'Singh' Choudhry.

Soz i meant to say paul chowdhury, ur right.

It just so happens, that i was watchin paul's youtube videos yday, and i came across that routine u quoted...aswel as this vid. POOR davinder's son!

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Comedy is well and good, and I'm always up for a laugh, but I've begun to notice how most Asian comedians in the diaspora have to knock their own culture in order to get laughs from the white man. It may seem innocuous at first - and I swear, I'm not turning into a SJW, lol - but what may seem like a harmless riff on cultural differences actually does a lot more long-term damage to our identity than at first sight. It is the comedy of observation, which is as old as the hills themselves, but when it's primarily a white audience from whom we wish to gain laughs, it does take on a slightly different context, whether we like it or not.

The punchline is always "Look at us; look at how backwards and unsophisticated we are. Please laugh at us, white people. Laugh at our antiquated ways. We are so silly, aren't we?" I don't believe Asian comedians deliberately go out of their way to create these "culture clash" routines in order to have a dig at their own people, but the fact that they don't seem to see any inherent, long-term issues with their brand of comedy speaks volumes about the ingrained inferiority complex that's clearly present in the Asian subconscious. You have even the younger generation on YouTube such as Lily Singh doing similar dress-up / culture clash routines, and I always wonder what a white person with a couple of brain cells available to rub together must take away from such apparent self-deprecation. What conclusions do they draw from such routines, aside from the surface reaction of, "It's just a laugh"?

If we keep beating the same drum, eventually you'll convince vast swathes of our future generations that we do belong to a lesser culture that should be laughed at and mocked, no matter how seemingly harmless. When there were the vast migrations of the 20th century of non-white cultures flocking to the west, such comedy was par for the course; it was fresh, exciting, and it was a way of the host countries getting to grips with these new arrivals and their ways in a manner they wouldn't otherwise care to discover. Now that we're well into the 21st century, it's safe to say we should be capable of moving on from the basic template of comedy that was in vogue in the 1950's up to the 1970's.

Let's not even get into the whole political leanings of these, primarily, liberal Asian comedians, who are cut from the same cloth as those who pretend as if Asians are one homogeneous group without distinction, as they willfully ignore the nuanced and clearly delineated differences between us based on religion, culture, geography, language, etc. As much some of us would like to pretend "we're all in it together", the reality on the ground would suggest the opposite is true.

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jkvlondon, really sorry and disturbed to hear about the rape episode you suffered and don't for one moment wish for you to relive that horrible ordeal by asking you questions about it or expecting you to mention any more about it.

What I wish to do is try and articulate that any hate we demonstrate for another religion or race will, in the end, come back and bite us too. There are never any winners with hate and bigotry. For that reason we have to understand that 99% of Muslims who are good, decent hard working people should not have to suffer hatred and violence because of the actions of the 1%. We need to be responsible and understand that words we use are easily turned into physical violence by others. We also need to understand that there are non-Sikhs out there who hold exactly the same bigoted hatred against us for exactly the same misinformed and irrational reason. For example, there have, in the last year or so, been plenty of court cases involving Sikh men who groom young girls and indeed the most horrible and digusting news story of the year so far has been about a Sikh man who repeatly and visciously raped several baby girls:

http://www.expressandstar.com/news/crime/2016/02/19/jailed-wicked-and-dangerous-sexual-predator-who-raped-eight-year-old-girls/

Things need to be looked at rationaly. A group of white men go paint-balling in the woods and its a case of 'young men enjoying the great outdoors doing a great extra-curricular activity'. A group of Pakistani men go paintballing however, and its a 'terrorist training camp' with the police getting involved.

A group of white young men going out on the pull on Saturday night trying to get lods of young women to sleep with them and its a case of 'young lads enjoying a traditional weekend night out having a laugh'. A group of Pakistani men do the same and its a 'grooming gang'. :blink2:

Everything should always be looked at with educated and rational eyes. Thats the Sikh way.

The wider picture should always be understood. Thats the Sikh way.

Blind bigotry and hatred of an entire community and joining hands with vile white supremist racist facists ?. That is NOT the Sikh way and the irony here is that we are getting a good indication from this thread as to just how much of an upside down topsy turvy world we live in in that there have been several messages here accusing me of "not being a Sikh" because I don't support a white supremist racist facist party. :omg:

well in my case it's not blind bigotry just the facts and the truth is, when I was a teenager and now, is zameen asmaan da farak , now there is concerted and organised hand behind the rapes and abuse , not individuals chancing it as it was then. There are now whole FAMILIES of menfolk networking doing this stuff and their neighbours are turning a blind eye to protect their own daughters. Some of the abused I have talked to, have been the same faith and nationalities as these men. It is repugnant for a sikh to turn away, to be so PC scared of human opinion to not do the right thing . We are mandated to protect our sisters and younger brothers as well from these scum . I have not started hating my muslim friends but I will say I will be vigilant of menfolk since they seem to be the source of majority of the aggression and other faith hate. My older kids are aware of Dawah gangs and have been strengthened in their self-knowledge and faith's knowledge and I have come across openly anti-befriending policy executed by my daughter's classmates , it 's OK their loss.

No sikh would look , let alone do what you said , he was a desi punjabi who was filth and the khalsa has a duty to stop his like too.

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I have come across openly anti-befriending policy executed by my daughter's classmates , it 's OK their loss.

Funny u mention that, just 2day on nihals show which i was listening back to, a comment was made by an elderly muslim man, which left nihal speechless. The grandad said, how his granddaughter, went on a school trip to a gurdwara, and had langar/coke. She told her grandad, that her friends have told her, she is now a non-muslim/kuffar/dirty n unclean, coz she had food/drink frm kuffars. 8 yr olds r beleiving this in this country! I wasnt that shocked by those comments, but even i was slightly taken back by that...if that makes sense. Edited by StarStriker
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Funny u mention that, just 2day on nihals show which i was listening back to, a comment was made by an elderly muslim man, which left nihal speechless. The grandad said, how his granddaughter, went on a school trip to a gurdwara, and had langar/coke. She told her grandad, that her friends have told her, she is now a non-muslim/kuffar/dirty n unclean, coz she had food/drink frm kuffars. 8 yr olds r beleiving this in this country! I wasnt that shocked by those comments, but even i was slightly taken back by that...if that makes sense.

Thats nothing......Think about this for one moment and think how it looks to all non-Sikhs:

My cousin's young son is 10 years old and became amritdhari this year. He won't eat food if his own mother touches it (because she's not amritdhari) and if he does touch it (eat it) the Gurdwara says he is an apostate (i.e equivelent of a kaffir) and his baptism is revoked. Think about that for one moment : A Child won't/can't eat food touched by his own mother. The same woman from whose belly he came out of just a few years ago.

See what I mean now about understanding that there are people out there who can, do and are ready to hate us just as much as they hate the muslims ad for exactly the same reasons. Hate and bigotry are like boomerangs. They will always eventually come back to the person that throws it.

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Islam and western society are opposites. one allows freedom of religion, thought, and speech ect the other just wants to take over and restrict everything.

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Thats nothing......Think about this for one moment and think how it looks to all non-Sikhs:

My cousin's young son is 10 years old and became amritdhari this year. He won't eat food if his own mother touches it (because she's not amritdhari) and if he does touch it (eat it) the Gurdwara says he is an apostate (i.e equivelent of a kaffir) and his baptism is revoked. Think about that for one moment : A Child won't/can't eat food touched by his own mother. The same woman from whose belly he came out of just a few years ago.

See what I mean now about understanding that there are people out there who can, do and are ready to hate us just as much as they hate the muslims ad for exactly the same reasons. Hate and bigotry are like boomerangs. They will always eventually come back to the person that throws it.

A pretty good point. Any replies to this?

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My cousin's young son is 10 years old and became amritdhari this year. He won't eat food if his own mother touches it (because she's not amritdhari) and if he does touch it (eat it) the Gurdwara says he is an apostate (i.e equivelent of a kaffir) and his baptism is revoked.

Serious questions: who prepares his food if he refuses his mum's cooking? How does he eat if he doesn't take food prepared from non-Gursikhs? He can't buy school lunches at the canteen due to obvious reasons, and he clearly isn't going to let his mum prepare a packed lunch for him. Snacks and junk food are off the table because they're prepared / manufactured by non-Gursikhs in non-bibeki environments. Does he only eat at the Gurdwara? Surely that isn't very practical.

Plus, what madman allowed a 10 year-old to take Amrit, and more importantly, how is a pre-pubescent child dictating such terms to his parents when he relies on them to stay alive?

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Thats nothing......Think about this for one moment and think how it looks to all non-Sikhs:

My cousin's young son is 10 years old and became amritdhari this year. He won't eat food if his own mother touches it (because she's not amritdhari) and if he does touch it (eat it) the Gurdwara says he is an apostate (i.e equivelent of a kaffir) and his baptism is revoked. Think about that for one moment : A Child won't/can't eat food touched by his own mother. The same woman from whose belly he came out of just a few years ago.

See what I mean now about understanding that there are people out there who can, do and are ready to hate us just as much as they hate the muslims ad for exactly the same reasons. Hate and bigotry are like boomerangs. They will always eventually come back to the person that throws it.

Thats outrageous pretentiousness! I bet hes angry that his mum breastfed him and he didnt have the ability at the time to talk n say no, coz it isnt amritdhari breastmilk. Edited by StarStriker
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Thats outrageous pretentiousness! I bet hes angry that his mum breastfed him and he didnt have the ability at the time to talk n say no, coz it isnt amritdhari breastmilk.

I know a handful of Singhs who follow Bibeki maryada and you wouldn't know it to look at them, because they don't make a song and dance about it. More importantly, they're adults. They're in gainful employment, therefore have their own disposable income in order to live that lifestyle and fulfill their religious dietary requirements. It's a choice they made based on what they felt was the right thing to do according to their interpretation of Sikhi. Basically, they made an informed decision and are leading a lifestyle that doesn't affect any third party. A child has no business dictating such terms to his mother. If he (the child in Jagsaw's situation) feels so strongly about it, he should go find a job and learn how to cook. Plus, he should insist his mother doesn't wash or iron his clothes, in-case she pollutes his garments with her "unclean" touch.

But, anyway, the bibek discussion has gone down a cul-de-sac that isn't wholly relevant to the discussion. The topic is about Hundal's grossly erroneous interpretation of Sikhi, and the devious manner in which he delights in throwing Sikhs under the bus in order to smooth the journey of his Muslim and / or Regressive Left sponsors that put food on his table. When I have the time, I'll try to make a post on why comparing the dietary requirements of certain Sikhs is a completely different kettle of fish to the systematic theocracy that is political Islam which is indisputably against the plurality of religious existence, and proceeds to make inroads into non-Muslim countries through the gentle yet concerted pushing of boundaries on multiple fronts, be they social and political. I make no promises, though, lol.

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I know a handful of Singhs who follow Bibeki maryada and you wouldn't know it to look at them, because they don't make a song and dance about it. More importantly, they're adults. They're in gainful employment, therefore have their own disposable income in order to live that lifestyle and fulfill their religious dietary requirements. It's a choice they made based on what they felt was the right thing to do according to their interpretation of Sikhi. Basically, they made an informed decision and are leading a lifestyle that doesn't affect any third party. A child has no business dictating such terms to his mother. If he (the child in Jagsaw's situation) feels so strongly about it, he should go find a job and learn how to cook. Plus, he should insist his mother doesn't wash or iron his clothes, in-case she pollutes his garments with her "unclean" touch.

But, anyway, the bibek discussion has gone down a cul-de-sac that isn't wholly relevant to the discussion. The topic is about Hundal's grossly erroneous interpretation of Sikhi, and the devious manner in which he delights in throwing Sikhs under the bus in order to smooth the journey of his Muslim and / or Regressive Left sponsors that put food on his table. When I have the time, I'll try to make a post on why comparing the dietary requirements of certain Sikhs is a completely different kettle of fish to the systematic theocracy that is political Islam which is indisputably against the plurality of religious existence, and proceeds to make inroads into non-Muslim countries through the gentle yet concerted pushing of boundaries on multiple fronts, be they social and political. I make no promises, though, lol.

Nice one!

Also yes, we should get back to the topic of that mug hundals rubbish article. What i dont get is, WHY has he posted this on a muslim site, when the whole purpose u would imagine for article is to supposedly change sikh mindset?

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I know a handful of Singhs who follow Bibeki maryada and you wouldn't know it to look at them, because they don't make a song and dance about it. More importantly, they're adults. They're in gainful employment, therefore have their own disposable income in order to live that lifestyle and fulfill their religious dietary requirements. It's a choice they made based on what they felt was the right thing to do according to their interpretation of Sikhi. Basically, they made an informed decision and are leading a lifestyle that doesn't affect any third party. A child has no business dictating such terms to his mother. If he (the child in Jagsaw's situation) feels so strongly about it, he should go find a job and learn how to cook. Plus, he should insist his mother doesn't wash or iron his clothes, in-case she pollutes his garments with her "unclean" touch.

But, anyway, the bibek discussion has gone down a cul-de-sac that isn't wholly relevant to the discussion. The topic is about Hundal's grossly erroneous interpretation of Sikhi, and the devious manner in which he delights in throwing Sikhs under the bus in order to smooth the journey of his Muslim and / or Regressive Left sponsors that put food on his table. When I have the time, I'll try to make a post on why comparing the dietary requirements of certain Sikhs is a completely different kettle of fish to the systematic theocracy that is political Islam which is indisputably against the plurality of religious existence, and proceeds to make inroads into non-Muslim countries through the gentle yet concerted pushing of boundaries on multiple fronts, be they social and political. I make no promises, though, lol.

Different Jathas have different views on what Roti Beti Di Sanjh means.

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One thing we need to be careful about as Sikhs when tackling the issue of Islamic extremism is not to hitch our wagon to the mainstream white narrative that's dominated by undercover racists. As we can see, when that happens, we leave ourselves open to accusations of racism and hypocrisy.

As Sikhs, all criticism of Islam MUST be framed from our perspective; how it affects us and our people. Of course, there are going to be overlapping issues with whites and other groups, but I don't think we should be relying on louder, non-Sikh voices giving us legitimacy and a platform to voice our unique concerns.

Plus, being against Islam and a certain type of Muslim is not reason to keep our mouths shut, lest the tables are turned in some hypothetical situation. That's moral cowardice, I.E. "I best not speak up against injustice, just in-case the goreh target me next time." That's just wrong on so many levels I just don't know where to begin.

As Sikhs, being vigilant against Islam is NOT siding with white racists. It's NOT a mutually exclusive deal.

Different Jathas have different views on what Roti Beti Di Sanjh means.

I moved on from that. Not concerned.

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Serious questions: who prepares his food if he refuses his mum's cooking? How does he eat if he doesn't take food prepared from non-Gursikhs? He can't buy school lunches at the canteen due to obvious reasons, and he clearly isn't going to let his mum prepare a packed lunch for him. Snacks and junk food are off the table because they're prepared / manufactured by non-Gursikhs in non-bibeki environments. Does he only eat at the Gurdwara? Surely that isn't very practical.

Plus, what madman allowed a 10 year-old to take Amrit, and more importantly, how is a pre-pubescent child dictating such terms to his parents when he relies on them to stay alive?

seriously I doubt this story as Panj piarey will only allow amrit for children who have at least one adult supporting them in the home as sangat and in practicalities in home and acting a responsible adult in that respect.

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