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Not me and a lot of people I know. We're clued up. A lot of us here have liaised with good guys from your end, Bush etc. No need to broadcast it everywhere (you should know bare MI5, London MET etc. monitoring this site) but we were schooled a long time ago. Did a lot of parchaar about the issue back in the late 90s in universities when most of the community (and the authorities, and the media) turned against us. Guys made a lot of sacrifices. I don't know how you can make out like one part of England (i.e. the south) is any worse than any other (i.e. the north), looks like the same sh1te going on everywhere to me. And I'm old enough to remember when the original fundos came to East London and started mass brainwashing paks - they all came from or learned their ideas from up North. Your neck of the woods is where it all stemmed from. Especially with 'conferences'. There used to be much older Panther boys from B'ham hiding out here when I was a kid.

The apathy you talk about is not the consequence of left wing or right wing by the way, it's the natural consequence of subtly pushing a secularist agenda, which both right and left wing here do. None of them want to see us strong. The right wing specifically just want to use us to fight their battles and as propaganda tools to hide their racism. None of them are our friends.

Wake up.

grooming and conversion of sikh girls by pakistani men has been going in birmingham since the late 70s. The aston Panthers only came to light for grooming and conversion as they were the first organised group with a name and done this under a banner .the other reason they came to light is cos the resistance came from neighbouring handsworth. I am not against multiculturalism I saw it work once in the UK but muslims and multiculturalism don't work, they have to be excluded from it. They have two worlds the world of the believer and world of the non believer, so how can they get along in a multicultural society. Edited by Hammertime007

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There hasn't been much resistance to the Islamfication of the the North or Midlands by any one let alone Sikhs. On average the whole of the country is semi Isalamified, some parts of Birmingham London, Manchester, Bradford Leeds Burnley, Oldham are fully Islamfied. The politicians and liberals allow it.

Till the mid 90s there were parts of the country where Sikhs Lived which were proud working class British Sikh areas.

Southall - ruined by Somilains, iraqis

Handsworth ruined by Kurds, iraqis, and Pakistanis who moved in mid 90s

Smethwick - Still better than most and white people still there along side Sikhs

West brom same as Smethwick

Wolverhampton Same as Smethwick

Even Small heath which had alot Pakistanis in has been ruined by Somalians.

Wembely not a Sikh areas but ruined Sri lankens and south Indians

You need to look at whose manipulating you, the left wing liberals, i notice London Sikhs are not clued up and very apathetic to organised conversion of Sikh Girls to Islam in Uk. Those certain people who have created your apathy are the left wing liberal especially the middle class one, .

Neighbourhoods never stay the same. People move on.

A lot of our people are moving into the middle classes and therefore they aspire to move into more affluent areas.

You cannot get away from Pakistanis because they will always follow us.

Even if they try their grooming/conversion tactics, for some reason they see us some kind of model community to follow.

We are a canary in the coal mine community for other Asians. We do all the hard work to establish in a new area and integrate just enough to open the floodgates for the rest to follow.

An example, is Langley in the Slough area used to be aspirational area for a lot of Sikhs in the 1980s and 1990s.

A lot of those Sikhs now are moving out to South Bucks to Farnham Royal, Farnham Common, Stoke Poges, Gerrards Cross.

South Bucks has the fastest growing Sikh community in the UK.

Who do you think is moving into the areas left behind by the Sikhs? Pakistanis!

Give them another 15-20 years and they will follow enmasse to South Bucks.

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grooming and conversion of sikh girls by pakistani men has been going in birmingham since the late 70s. The aston Panthers only came to light for grooming and conversion as they were the first organised group with a name and done this under a banner .the other reason they came to light is cos the resistance came from neighbouring handsworth. I am not against multiculturalism I saw it work once in the UK but muslims and multiculturalism don't work, they have to be excluded from it. They have two worlds the world of the believer and world of the non believer, so how can they get along in a multicultural society.

I'm not here to sell multiculturalism. It has its pluses and minuses. It doesn't successfully confront more subtle, institutional forms of racism i.e. in the jobs market, by the police, by the media etc. etc.

I don't see anything wrong with people forming their own community strongholds, even Muslims. What I am against is anyone targeting our lot, be this with unprovoked violence or sexual abuse. I see plenty of sullay getting on with it (and I'm no fan, but the truth is the truth). The type you talk about exists but not every last one of them is like that. That doesn't mean I go out of my way to make friends with them though. I live and let live. Now let's be frank, the establishment, police and media here played a big part in the number of grooming cases growing by their apathy. What we know now (and didn't know until very recently) was that sexual abuse has been pretty much accepted and covered up in this country from the very top, with powerful white politicians at it themselves. They created a culture that let it prosper and undermined and defamed Sikhs who tried to combat it in a multitude of ways. So they essentially allowed paks to get away with it and where doing it themselves. This shows you what they are like and what their REAL attitude towards Sikhs is here underneath all the show.

What we need to do is strengthen OUR community, not jump on others bandwagons. And you know what, maybe there will always be a few kick offs with pedo sullay targeting apneean - so be it; it'll give our boys something to practice their warrior skills with. Truth is that if we weren't so money obsessed and blinded by materialism and status - and hampered by the police, media and social services, we could've easily dealt with a few hundred (or even a thousand) pedos in this country. White people stopped us doing this. Plain and simple. And as I said, we now know that they've been covering up their own lot doing it too. It's a cultural thing in this country. They've allowed the problem to fester unchecked but are now being forced to deal with it (although they are foot-dragging, especially with cases involving politicians).

Now here is the other important thing: the growth of extremist Islam is also very closely linked to foreign policy by the government here. The English have a LONG history of going abroad and making up excuses to rob places blind. You should know - they did it to Maharajah Ranjit Singh's kingdom as soon as he died, and they had bribed off key people. They had done it to the rest of India prior to this. The persistent continuance of this policy/strategy today, with the systematic targeting of small oil rich Arab nations has led to a phenomenal growth in people becoming increasingly fundamentalist as an angry reaction as well destabilising large swaths of land in the middle-east where previously non-existing fundamentalism has now become strong. They are helping the fundamentalist cause with their greedy actions abroad, creating dangerous areas and making it grow and grow. We have to acknowledge this. If sullay are effing about in the west; you can't deny goray have proper messed up the middle east and turned it into a hell hole. Of course you are going to get some retaliation for this. We should be telling goray not to play such games because of obvious consequences. And we should NOT mix up the issue of certain paks targeting Sikhs in various ways including grooming, with the other thing of what is going on politically between the west and certain Arab states.

Again, I don't see anything wrong with us having good, strong prosperous Sikh strongholds. I think they would be a good idea myself if we can get them right. A key part of this involves teaching people to overcome petty caste issues and an obsession with outdoing each other materialistically as the number one driving factor in their lives.

Hammertime, man, stop giving all these jerks your support, see the bigger picture. You have to learn to see the world in much more complex terms than the simple way you see it. Listen to some of your wiser brothers and sisters man, don't let outsiders shape your thinking like they have. People like EDL, BNP, Trump or any other c**t that might turn up in future offer no real solution to our issues, but will use us as tools to get what they want.

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Neighbourhoods never stay the same. People move on.

A lot of our people are moving into the middle classes and therefore they aspire to move into more affluent areas.

You cannot get away from Pakistanis because they will always follow us.

Even if they try their grooming/conversion tactics, for some reason they see us some kind of model community to follow.

We are a canary in the coal mine community for other Asians. We do all the hard work to establish in a new area and integrate just enough to open the floodgates for the rest to follow.

An example, is Langley in the Slough area used to be aspirational area for a lot of Sikhs in the 1980s and 1990s.

A lot of those Sikhs now are moving out to South Bucks to Farnham Royal, Farnham Common, Stoke Poges, Gerrards Cross.

South Bucks has the fastest growing Sikh community in the UK.

Who do you think is moving into the areas left behind by the Sikhs? Pakistanis!

Give them another 15-20 years and they will follow enmasse to South Bucks.

100 percent correct in ur analysis. Even I have seen this happen where you get a white Area turn into a mostly Sikh area and then into a mostly Muslim area or just a multicultural area. There's nothing wrong with it but when an area does change there almost ALWAYS seems to be an increase in crimes, drugs ect and generally turns into a hood where you wouldn't want to start a family. The thing is most apneh move to better areas but sometimes you get attached to the area you grew up in and feel kinda down when you do move also in the newer areas tend to turn to crap also over time

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100 percent correct in ur analysis. Even I have seen this happen where you get a white Area turn into a mostly Sikh area and then into a mostly Muslim area or just a multicultural area. There's nothing wrong with it but when an area does change there almost ALWAYS seems to be an increase in crimes, drugs ect and generally turns into a hood where you wouldn't want to start a family. The thing is most apneh move to better areas but sometimes you get attached to the area you grew up in and feel kinda down when you do move also in the newer areas tend to turn to crap also over time

When you lose the white people in your neighbourhood (older ones in particular) you lose the sense of civic pride in the area.

They are ones who would set up Neighbourhood watch, harass the local authorities to remove garbage, notify authorities when someone has parked illegally.

Our people do not tend to do things like that, only when absolutey necessary.

The problem you have with our people is that when they move on, if they can help it they would rather not sell and instead put the the place on rent. And if they sell to another apnah, it is strong likelihood they bought it to rent out.

I think that is where the trouble stems from. If you are an owner-occupier you tend to have more care, but once you move out and rent, you just care about the money from the rent.

You then think of it as a money making enterprise where you want to maximise profits, and housing associations offer more money to rent it out and you have unsavoury characters come in and the whole area goes to pot.

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We have waited a long time for someone to say what he did, so full marks to him, if this his attitude I hope he becomes the next president of the USA. Two clowns Cameron and Boris Johnson both condemed the remarks. Let's send blue eyed blonde haired females, related to those two to brick lane, or Whitechapel or some other London dump, then let's see what they say bout Donald Trumph's remarks

You agree with him saying ALL Muslims should be banned? You know nothing of Sikhism then do you. You're not a Sikh!

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Who do you think is moving into the areas left behind by the Sikhs? Pakistanis!

Give them another 15-20 years and they will follow enmasse to South Bucks.

Yes, exactly. Seen it a dozen times.

That's what I mean: at some point Sikhs have to get their own areas and put their flags down firmly. Instead of keep running away into white areas every few years.

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anyone who supports trump is clearly showing that there hatred for islam is stronger than there love for sikhi

the enemies of our enemies are not always our friends i mean how frickin thick do you have to be to support a egomaniac psychopath like trump he only views even his most loyal supporters as useful idiots

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Yes, exactly. Seen it a dozen times.

That's what I mean: at some point Sikhs have to get their own areas and put their flags down firmly. Instead of keep running away into white areas every few years.

It'll never happen. It should, but it won't. When our lot get a whiff of success, it's every man for himself; last one to leave turn the lights out. There's just something very uniquely selfish and individualistic about certain strands of our collective personality that is, funnily enough, a trait also found in the native English. I guess a social anthropologist might be able to narrow it down to what exactly I'm alluding to; I'm not sure I fully know it myself, lol.

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It'll never happen. It should, but it won't. When our lot get a whiff of success, it's every man for himself; last one to leave turn the lights out. There's just something very uniquely selfish and individualistic about certain strands of our collective personality that is, funnily enough, a trait also found in the native English. I guess a social anthropologist might be able to narrow it down to what exactly I'm alluding to; I'm not sure I fully know it myself, lol.

It's human nature, there's no my group or your group, it's just keep taking what you can and ignore all the others.

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It's human nature, there's no my group or your group, it's just keep taking what you can and ignore all the others.

I guess. Even freshly arrived families from back home display those kind of tendencies or cultivate a similar mentality after a short while of living in the west, so it can't be a racial / communal trait. Or at least not overwhelmingly so.

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It'll never happen. It should, but it won't. When our lot get a whiff of success, it's every man for himself; last one to leave turn the lights out. There's just something very uniquely selfish and individualistic about certain strands of our collective personality that is, funnily enough, a trait also found in the native English. I guess a social anthropologist might be able to narrow it down to what exactly I'm alluding to; I'm not sure I fully know it myself, lol.

Thats not the right way of looking at it. It is a sign of human development / progress that one....once one has kids to think of....moves out of an area full of drugs, crime and litter and moves into a nice family area where, at the very least, one's children will grow up speaking English properly. It is, in fact, the people that stay behind in those areas who should have their ethics and ambition questioned.For example, why on earth would any young father and mother in Southall wish for his children to grow up in what is now officially the red-light (prostitution) and drugs capital of the whole of London ? What kind of parents would willingly, out of choice, bring their children up in such an environment ?

Now, things are a little different in Canada and that is more or less a refelction of the young history of Canada and the difference in the way the 2 nations have developed. The historical development of England is of course mirrored in the historical development of the English language, i.e without any proper structure, in a haphazard way, incorporating rules and way as it goes along. In this way, there is a bit of a free for all in English neighbourhoods where homeowners can do whatever they please, such as tarmac the lawns whenever they want, cut down the trees, spit in the streets, dump their unwanted washing machines and other goods in the street. Canada, on the other hand, as a much younger nation, has a culture of civic pride where, for example, you can't pour warm water on your windscreen outside your house on icy mornings....having a civic duty to shovel up snow on the pavement....maintaining the ambience of a neighbourhood such as maintaining grassy front lawns. Thus, Sikh neighbourhoods in Canada do not suffer the same degredation the UK Sikh neighbourhoods suffer once other more undesirable elements start to move in. There are however exceptions to that rule, for a variety of reasons. For example Rexdale in Toronto. Traditionally / historically, the epicentre of Sikhs in Toronto but as it has since then acquired a very Jamaican atmosphere with crime etc most of the Sikhs of Rexdale have moved away to the nicer suburbs of Brampton etc. And its not always bad things that are the catalyst. Lets take Vancouver for example. Traditionally / historically, the epicentre of the Sikh community in BC was thee 'little Punjab' area of Vancouver. A very nice suburban area. Still is. Since then however, since the rich Hong Kong Chinese started moving in, very few Sikhs remain in Vancouver. In fact the Sikh population of Vancouver is absolutely tiny. Very few remain. Most have cashed in on the high value of their homes in Vancouver and moved to neighbouring cities such as Surrey, Richmond etc.

It is human nature, to move on. To move somewhere where your children will have a better life. Throught the history of England there has only ever been one community that lacked this human ambition of progress and that community are the Bangladeshis of the East End. For the first time ever, the nation has a community that is actually willing to stay in a dump....willing to bring their kids up in a dump. That is not normal human behaviour. Normal human behaviour is to move on to better places. Those here advocating we Sikhs follow the example of the Bengalis need to sit down and re-evaluate this line of thinking.

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I guess. Even freshly arrived families from back home display those kind of tendencies or cultivate a similar mentality after a short while of living in the west, so it can't be a racial / communal trait. Or at least not overwhelmingly so.

It's not community based, some cultures don't care at all, (Non-Nomadic European folk), it's also relatively hard if your trying to find a better life from what your origin nation is.

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Thats not the right way of looking at it. It is a sign of human development / progress that one....once one has kids to think of....moves out of an area full of drugs, crime and litter and moves into a nice family area where, at the very least, one's children will grow up speaking English properly. It is, in fact, the people that stay behind in those areas who should have their ethics and ambition questioned.For example, why on earth would any young father and mother in Southall wish for his children to grow up in what is now officially the red-light (prostitution) and drugs capital of the whole of London ? What kind of parents would willingly, out of choice, bring their children up in such an environment ?

Yeah, I kinda realised I was being out of line once I'd made the post. I guess I fell victim to a bit of idealised thinking. If one has the opportunity to move to a place that's safer and more prosperous, then, particularly for families, it's a bit of a no-brainer. I dunno, I suppose I'd like to see us closer as a community and working for not just "me and my own" but also for future Sikhs who've yet to arrive in those situations.

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I did some survey/petition work at my local Gurdwara and it was quite interesting findings when we collected the data and did some statistic work.

What we found was Sikhs in our local area tend to live in the suburbs and the outskirts/peripheries of town. You have several clusters where they may be slightly more heavily populated but it seems to be spread throughout.

We do not tend to ghettoise ourselves too much as we think.

What was also quite surprising is that there are still quite a few Sikhs living in what would be deemed as traditional areas (the clustered areas), these would be the more recently arrived Sikhs.

The more established Sikhs (the second/third generation Sikh) would move into the more affluent leafy villages on the outskirts of town.

What you also find is that some of the older generations prefer to stay in the older traditional areas because they are near the shops and gurdwaras, however their sons and daughters have moved out to the leafier suburbs and nearby villages.

These are some of my anecdotal observations.

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Yeah, I kinda realised I was being out of line once I'd made the post. I guess I fell victim to a bit of idealised thinking. If one has the opportunity to move to a place that's safer and more prosperous, then, particularly for families, it's a bit of a no-brainer. I dunno, I suppose I'd like to see us closer as a community and working for not just "me and my own" but also for future Sikhs who've yet to arrive in those situations.

We are closer as a community when it is necessary to do so.

I think familiarity breeds contempt in a lot of cases.

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Thats not the right way of looking at it. It is a sign of human development / progress that one....once one has kids to think of....moves out of an area full of drugs, crime and litter and moves into a nice family area where, at the very least, one's children will grow up speaking English properly. It is, in fact, the people that stay behind in those areas who should have their ethics and ambition questioned.For example, why on earth would any young father and mother in Southall wish for his children to grow up in what is now officially the red-light (prostitution) and drugs capital of the whole of London ? What kind of parents would willingly, out of choice, bring their children up in such an environment ?

Now, things are a little different in Canada and that is more or less a refelction of the young history of Canada and the difference in the way the 2 nations have developed. The historical development of England is of course mirrored in the historical development of the English language, i.e without any proper structure, in a haphazard way, incorporating rules and way as it goes along. In this way, there is a bit of a free for all in English neighbourhoods where homeowners can do whatever they please, such as tarmac the lawns whenever they want, cut down the trees, spit in the streets, dump their unwanted washing machines and other goods in the street. Canada, on the other hand, as a much younger nation, has a culture of civic pride where, for example, you can't pour warm water on your windscreen outside your house on icy mornings....having a civic duty to shovel up snow on the pavement....maintaining the ambience of a neighbourhood such as maintaining grassy front lawns. Thus, Sikh neighbourhoods in Canada do not suffer the same degredation the UK Sikh neighbourhoods suffer once other more undesirable elements start to move in. There are however exceptions to that rule, for a variety of reasons. For example Rexdale in Toronto. Traditionally / historically, the epicentre of Sikhs in Toronto but as it has since then acquired a very Jamaican atmosphere with crime etc most of the Sikhs of Rexdale have moved away to the nicer suburbs of Brampton etc. And its not always bad things that are the catalyst. Lets take Vancouver for example. Traditionally / historically, the epicentre of the Sikh community in BC was thee 'little Punjab' area of Vancouver. A very nice suburban area. Still is. Since then however, since the rich Hong Kong Chinese started moving in, very few Sikhs remain in Vancouver. In fact the Sikh population of Vancouver is absolutely tiny. Very few remain. Most have cashed in on the high value of their homes in Vancouver and moved to neighbouring cities such as Surrey, Richmond etc.

It is human nature, to move on. To move somewhere where your children will have a better life. Throught the history of England there has only ever been one community that lacked this human ambition of progress and that community are the Bangladeshis of the East End. For the first time ever, the nation has a community that is actually willing to stay in a dump....willing to bring their kids up in a dump. That is not normal human behaviour. Normal human behaviour is to move on to better places. Those here advocating we Sikhs follow the example of the Bengalis need to sit down and re-evaluate this line of thinking.

South Vancouver was never a 80-90% Sikh neighborhood, there were always a ton of Asians around, Vancouver in general has always had a stronger Asian population. Vancouver didn't suffer from a mass migration per say, it just got full, people had to skip Vancouver and go to Surrey etc and develop there. South Vancouver is still a split between the Asians and Sikhs, with the rest being White people.

Also, we HAVE to shovel, with the amount of snow we get sometimes, its impossible not too shovel, its not out of civic duty. As for the trash or warm water, its very very common. Have a old couch? Throw it in the alley or on the sidewalk.

While in recent years there has been a huge increase in the black population in surrey, it will take them decades to replace 150,000 people. Sikh communities of Canada have larger numbers, more densely packed. Not too mention UK seems to have more racial problems, we get along with Somalians and others.

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South Vancouver was never a 80-90% Sikh neighborhood, there were always a ton of Asians around, Vancouver in general has always had a stronger Asian population. Vancouver didn't suffer from a mass migration per say, it just got full, people had to skip Vancouver and go to Surrey etc and develop there. South Vancouver is still a split between the Asians and Sikhs, with the rest being White people.

Also, we HAVE to shovel, with the amount of snow we get sometimes, its impossible not too shovel, its not out of civic duty. As for the trash or warm water, its very very common. Have a old couch? Throw it in the alley or on the sidewalk.

While in recent years there has been a huge increase in the black population in surrey, it will take them decades to replace 150,000 people. Sikh communities of Canada have larger numbers, more densely packed. Not too mention UK seems to have more racial problems, we get along with Somalians and others.

Do you see the 'Sikh flight' thing of the UK in Canada?

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Do you see the 'Sikh flight' thing of the UK in Canada?

Not at all bro, the two biggest communities being Brampton and Surrey (100k +), are surrounded by cities with smaller populations of 10-20-30,000 Sikhs, there is just some shuffling like a family moves from Surrey to Delta, or Brampton to Etobicoke. No mass migration. Calgary has strong and still growing population of Sikhs in the North East, been there since the 90's.

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South Vancouver was never a 80-90% Sikh neighborhood, there were always a ton of Asians around, Vancouver in general has always had a stronger Asian population. Vancouver didn't suffer from a mass migration per say, it just got full, people had to skip Vancouver and go to Surrey etc and develop there. South Vancouver is still a split between the Asians and Sikhs, with the rest being White people.

Also, we HAVE to shovel, with the amount of snow we get sometimes, its impossible not too shovel, its not out of civic duty. As for the trash or warm water, its very very common. Have a old couch? Throw it in the alley or on the sidewalk.

While in recent years there has been a huge increase in the black population in surrey, it will take them decades to replace 150,000 people. Sikh communities of Canada have larger numbers, more densely packed. Not too mention UK seems to have more racial problems, we get along with Somalians and others.

The UK for the most part have good race relations (in my opinion).

The Sikhs in the Uk get on with everyone (as it is with our relatively open friendly nature). We have had problems with certain segments of the Pakistani population but then again who hasn't in the UK. When you bring your clannish behaviour combined with an expansionist supremacist ideology, it's going to cause problems. For a lot of Sikhs in the UK in many cases, living in an area with less muslims improves your quality of life.

With Somalis, no Sikhs per say has any direct issues with them but they are even more disliked by other black populations (Afro-Caribbeans and West African such as Nigerians).

They do not seem to be a progressive people, they are still stuck in their tribal ways. They do not share the same values as us such as a work ethic and to improve your lot. After 20+ years living in parts of West London they are still on welfare.

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The UK for the most part have good race relations (in my opinion).

The Sikhs in the Uk get on with everyone (as it is with our relatively open friendly nature). We have had problems with certain segments of the Pakistani population but then again who hasn't in the UK. When you bring your clannish behaviour combined with an expansionist supremacist ideology, it's going to cause problems. For a lot of Sikhs in the UK in many cases, living in an area with less muslims improves your quality of life.

With Somalis, no Sikhs per say has any direct issues with them but they are even more disliked by other black populations (Afro-Caribbeans and West African such as Nigerians).

They do not seem to be a progressive people, they are still stuck in their tribal ways. They do not share the same values as us such as a work ethic and to improve your lot. After 20+ years living in parts of West London they are still on welfare.

2 things to remember Ranjeet:

  1. Firstly, UK Sikhs need to understand that Canada has the biggest Somalian population in the western world so they know Somalians alot better than UK Sikhs do. When the Somali refugee crisis started many many years ago it was Canada that took in by far the largest and even today it is Canada that has the most.
  2. When you think of the great Sikh neighbourhoods of the Greater Toronto area, such as Brampton and Mississauga, you have to remember for example that Mississauga has more Pakistanis than Bradford. In fact for Muslims as a whole, Canada's census reveals that there are 3 times more Muslims in Canada than there are Sikhs. You also have to remember that Toronto is one of the big 4 Jamaican expatriate cities of the world (along with New York, London and Miami). In fact Toronto's Jamaican community is larger and more livelier than London's.

So, lets recap: They have the crime. They have the Muslims. They have drugs. They have the lowering of stanadrds in neighbourhoods. They have the same things as us.

But.....unlike us, they don't have a negative Sikh community permanently crying about it. Cryin about this. Complaining about that. They don't have a single element within the Sikh community so silly, so misinformed, so wrong, that they would actually support Donald Trump and his facist ideology. Thats the difference.

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2 things to remember Ranjeet:

  • Firstly, UK Sikhs need to understand that Canada has the biggest Somalian population in the western world so they know Somalians alot better than UK Sikhs do. When the Somali refugee crisis started many many years ago it was Canada that took in by far the largest and even today it is Canada that has the most.
  • When you think of the great Sikh neighbourhoods of the Greater Toronto area, such as Brampton and Mississauga, you have to remember for example that Mississauga has more Pakistanis than Bradford. In fact for Muslims as a whole, Canada's census reveals that there are 3 times more Muslims in Canada than there are Sikhs. You also have to remember that Toronto is one of the big 4 Jamaican expatriate cities of the world (along with New York, London and Miami). In fact Toronto's Jamaican community is larger and more livelier than London's.
So, lets recap: They have the crime. They have the Muslims. They have drugs. They have the lowering of stanadrds in neighbourhoods. They have the same things as us.

But.....unlike us, they don't have a negative Sikh community permanently crying about it. Cryin about this. Complaining about that. They don't have a single element within the Sikh community so silly, so misinformed, so wrong, that they would actually support Donald Trump and his facist ideology. Thats the difference.

I think most Western countries have a quite a lot of Somalis. I am sure the likes of Holland and Sweden probably have a good understanding of the Somalians population too. I am sure Sikhs in Southall and Hounslow would think they have a good understanding of Somalis, living amongst them for the past 20 years.

There are a quite a lot of Somalis in Minnesota too and they are not looked upon very kindly. They are quite problematic particularly with the African American community.

It would be interesting to see what Jamaicans in Toronto think of Somalis in Canada. I would guesstimate that their opinions would not be too different from their Afro-Caribbean brothers in London.

I personally have no issue with Somalis, but having observed them for 20 odd years, there does not seem to be much progress in terms of their community and most of them seem to stuck on welfare. This is just my observation.

I would agree that UK Sikhs can be a bunch of whining babies, but that is probably because we live in a country of complainers.

I get involved with a few Sikh initiatives in my local community and you hear a lot of complaints but very few of these complainers pull out their finger and do something about it.

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multiculturalism and integration is broken in the UK. It's been replaced with segregation and hate (though segregation is better than war) It's not just muslim gettos, Wembley looks like a 3rd world slum getto from Mumbai or dehli, have you seen the state of the non sikh indian people there. The last 3 major riots in the UK were all race related, 2001 pakistani youth in Oldham, 2005 pakistanis v blacks birmingham, 2010 various blacks types and some muslims rioting and looting over the UK. Sikhs have every right to complian we are the best example of immigration and integration, if we wanted to live in the 3rd we would have stayed in india

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I have seen multiculturalism work, it was in 1980s and very early 90s. In those days the main immigrants were west Indians, Bangladeshis, Indians; both sikhs and hindus and a reasonable number of Pakistanis.for multiculturalism to work we have to go back to the racial demographics of the 80s and very early 90.

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We are closer as a community when it is necessary to do so.

I think familiarity breeds contempt in a lot of cases.

I just hope most of you leafy suburban dwellers haven't become as soft as shite if we ever do need to kick off.

BTW, if you are living in those kind of environments - I hope you're training and not slobbing out playing xbox and ish all day. lol And if you are ducking all community issues in your cosy havens, you'd better at least be getting top grades and becoming top doctors, scientists and ish.

It's really good this internet thing: Makes me realise that behind most of the dogmatic debating, and indignation about Khalistan, Indian politics and whatnot are some pampered, closeted leafy, suburban dwelling comfort zone cats; this is useful to know. I don't think you guys would ever do anything that takes you away from the lap of comfort you're in. All the noise you make is most likely to be your way of retaining some identity in the face of a bland white surrounding you find yourselves in. Useful to know what kind of people you are.

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