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Jacfsing2    1,884

It's also for people like you and other respectable members that we are here too. There is so much that we can learn from your posts, but the fact is we forget what we are really here for and get stuck in unwanted stress, which is not good for our souls.

Kira ji was a good poster, many a thing I could learn from his posts.

I can agree with that "Kira" was one of the good people on this site, sometimes this site can be stressful, especially when certain groups just argue with each other without common respect.
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harsharan000    2,061

the fact is we forget what we are really here for and get stuck in unwanted stress, which is not good for our souls.

!!! So much truth in this statement Pen Jee !!!

We are here just to sing His Glory and share the bliss derived from it with all the sangat, and the more we share, it does not diminish, rather the more it grows and becomes stronger.

But the problems arise, when, some due to their ahankar, jealousy, envy, hatred, untruthfulness....they want to get into the main picture, thus put Him out from the scene.

And this can not be tolerated, neither should be.... Because, we are nobody, and He is Sachay Patshah.

In these cases, those who promote disharmony with their manmukhta, should be expelled.

Thus If the mad dog is sacrificed, there is no danger of contracting rabies ....

Sat Sree Akal.

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harsharan000    2,061

Refrain from personal insults. "holes in a head" doesn't constitute any sort of positive discussion and is a direct insult. Stay objective in discussions.

Respected Mod,

the quote you have presented above is not accurate, as it is not presented in the exact context, neither is an insult thus.

Because, I was saying so as a metaphor.

The exact sentence was :

The holes in his head are due to: ahankar, fakeness, envy, so naturally anything poured into it, gets leaked out, and thus he remains as evil as his original nature.

i am obviously not talking about physical holes, but about his mental holes, and that also due to his ahankar,fakeness and envy....

And when you say to stay objective in discussions, I agree with that, but that could only be possible, if that poster, wanted or had genuinely something to discuss about.

But because of his personal differences with me since a couple of years, he continously keeps on discrediting whatever I write, even tries to put people against me...and many of his such mistakes I had been overlooking, thinking he may change for better, but no, he keeps on escalating in his hatred, and Mod jee, everythinhg has a limit, beyond which it is not tolerateable, one just explodes.

The fact is, I do not agree even 1% of what he writes or says, but then too I never point him out, neither anyone else, that is not my style.

I just leave him, beleiving it is not his time yet...but that does not mean, i drag him and make fool of him... you see nobody is perfect, begining with myself.

You see, there are hundreds of members here, and how come it is always that very same person who always see you as wrong?

When he himself has not descended direct from the heavens

It has no logic ... I am not saying I am perfect, but, anytime I try to sing His mahima, His wadeeaye, he comes in between, and spreads his manmukhta, just because he dislikes me, which to an extent I can understand and accept, but, what I do not understand, if he is supposed to love Wahiguru, and me too, what the hell problem is? I am not promoting myself or any of my business, come on man, it is only Wahiguru Akal Purukh

I hope it is clear :only Wahiguru Akal purukh and His Nao, above all and everything.

I humbly ask for forgivness, if anyone has felt bad, but I had to say all this, so that nobody judges wrongly me just like that without knowing the whole story .

I am not like that at the bottom of my heart, I am quite tolerant, because I myself am imperfect, but, if anyone wants problems, he will surely get them ....

I usually have no problems with anyone, you may check all my posts since I joined this web 5 years ago, most of the members here are real angles, i am not going to name them, as it would not be fair, cause I may omit some names, but the fact is, they are very good gursikhs, and I admire that quality in them.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Jacfsing2    1,884

Respected Mod,

the quote you have presented above is not accurate, as it is not presented in the exact context, neither is an insult thus.

Because, I was saying so as a metaphor.

The exact sentence was :

The holes in his head are due to: ahankar, fakeness, envy, so naturally anything poured into it, gets leaked out, and thus he remains as evil as his original nature.

i am obviously not talking about physical holes, but about his mental holes, and that also due to his ahankar,fakeness and envy....

And when you say to stay objective in discussions, I agree with that, but that could only be possible, if that poster, wanted or had genuinely something to discuss about.

But because of his personal differences with me since a couple of years, he continously keeps on discrediting whatever I write, even tries to put people against me...and many of his such mistakes I had been overlooking, thinking he may change for better, but no, he keeps on escalating in his hatred, and Mod jee, everythinhg has a limit, beyond which it is not tolerateable, one just explodes.

The fact is, I do not agree even 1% of what he writes or says, but then too I never point him out, neither anyone else, that is not my style.

I just leave him, beleiving it is not his time yet...but that does not mean, i drag him and make fool of him... you see nobody is perfect, begining with myself.

You see, there are hundreds of members here, and how come it is always that very same person who always see you as wrong?

When he himself has not descended direct from the heavens

It has no logic ... I am not saying I am perfect, but, anytime I try to sing His mahima, His wadeeaye, he comes in between, and spreads his manmukhta, just because he dislikes me, which to an extent I can understand and accept, but, what I do not understand, if he is supposed to love Wahiguru, and me too, what the hell problem is? I am not promoting myself or any of my business, come on man, it is only Wahiguru Akal Purukh

I hope it is clear :only Wahiguru Akal purukh and His Nao, above all and everything.

I humbly ask for forgivness, if anyone has felt bad, but I had to say all this, so that nobody judges wrongly me just like that without knowing the whole story .

I am not like that at the bottom of my heart, I am quite tolerant, because I myself am imperfect, but, if anyone wants problems, he will surely get them ....

I usually have no problems with anyone, you may check all my posts since I joined this web 5 years ago, most of the members here are real angles, i am not going to name them, as it would not be fair, cause I may omit some names, but the fact is, they are very good gursikhs, and I admire that quality in them.

Sat Sree Akal.

Vaheguru! ?

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Jacfsing2    1,884

Harsharan Paji you shouldn't have needed to explain yourself, as it is portrayed throughout your posts, that you only praise Waheguru.

You may give examples so as one can understand better what you write, but it's quite evident to me that the majority, actually all of your posts only write about Waheguru. I'm not taking any sides, but also why should one take somebody belittling them for no reason.

Don't worry Paji, your posts are great and keep sharing so we can learn a thing or two.

Waheguru.

I don't know if you were talking to me or "Harsharan000"? You quoted me, yet addressed "Harsharan000" Edited by Jacfsing2

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Akalifauj    791

This is actually a good reply and detailed explanation of what has been moderated.

I'm impressed with the reply you gave, Harsharan Paji, it shows the humbleness in your soul, and also that as a Sikh you will not tolerate negativity, without reason. That is a good approach, unlike others that go in name calling and insulting or laughing down on people when they try to defend themselves, if their words are not one wants to hear.

I think I should also learn from this the next time my writings are insulted, and will try to apply some civil positive input.

Thank you ji Paji.

Simran, you speak the truth. So how come you liked a post of Harsharan where he calls me a mad dog who will give rabies to others on this forum, if I am not banned from the site. I see no honesty here. I see a one sided attack on me. You posted many Gurbani kirtan shabads on this topic. Can you please point to me where in those shabads it says to favor a person who insults another?

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harsharan000    2,061

RAAG MAAROO,

BANI SREE GURU ARJUN DEV MAHARAJ

mwrU mhlw 5 (1018-14)
maaroo mehlaa 5
Maaroo, Fifth Mehl


Awau jI qU Awau hmwrY hir jsu sRvn sunwvnw ]1] rhwau ]
aa-o jee too aa-o hamaarai har jas sarvan sunaavanaa. ||1|| rahaa-o.
Please come, O please come into the home of my heart, that I may hear with my ears the Lord's Praises. ||1||Pause||

quDu Awvq myrw mnu qnu hirAw hir jsu qum sMig gwvnw ]1]
tuDh aavat mayraa man tan hari-aa har jas tum sang gaavnaa. ||1||
With your coming, my soul and body are rejuvenated, and I sing with you the Lord's Praises. ||1||

sMq ik®pw qy ihrdY vwsY dUjw Bwau imtwvnw ]2]
sant kirpaa tay hirdai vaasai doojaa bhaa-o mitaavanaa. ||2||
By the Grace of the Saint, the Lord dwells within the heart, and the love of duality is eradicated. ||2||

Bgq dieAw qy buiD prgwsY durmiq dUK qjwvnw ]3]
bhagat da-i-aa tay buDh pargaasai durmat dookh tajaavanaa. ||3||
By the kindness of the devotee, the intellect is enlightened, and pain and evil-mindedness are eradicated. ||3||

drsnu Bytq hoq punIqw punrip griB n pwvnw ]4]
darsan bhaytat hot puneetaa punrap garabh na paavnaa. ||4||
Beholding the Blessed Vision of His Darshan, one is sanctified, and is no longer consigned to the womb of reincarnation. ||4||

nau iniD iriD isiD pweI jo qumrY min Bwvnw ]5]
na-o niDh riDh siDh paa-ee jo tumrai man bhaavnaa. ||5||
The nine treasures, wealth and miraculous spiritual powers are obtained, by one who is pleasing to Your mind. ||5||

sMq ibnw mY Qwau n koeI Avr n sUJY jwvnw ]6]
sant binaa mai thaa-o na ko-ee avar na soojhai jaavnaa. ||6||
Without the Saint, I have no place of rest at all; I cannot think of any other place to go. ||6||

moih inrgun kau koie n rwKY sMqw sMig smwvnw ]7]
mohi nirgun ka-o ko-ay na raakhai santaa sang samaavanaa. ||7||
I am unworthy; no one gives me sanctuary. But in the Society of the Saints, I merge in God. ||7||

khu nwnk guir clqu idKwieAw mn mDy hir hir rwvnw ]8]2]5]
kaho naanak gur chalat dikhaa-i-aa man maDhay har har raavnaa. ||8||2||5||
Says Nanak, the Guru has revealed this miracle; within my mind, I enjoy the Lord, Har, Har. ||8||2||5||

Today I was listening this beautiful Shabad, found it very sweet and meaningful, thought sharing it with the Sangat.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Akalifauj    791

Because I didn't like the whole post. I liked the content of the post. If you realise there is more in that post, and I don't wish to get involved in your debate. Yes I do speak the truth, maybe you should lay off his posts too, picking out one line sentences. You are no better either when it comes to attacking somebody's posts, you like the rest of us too, but you have your own style of doing it, a clever one that is which I seen.

I believe you are sending out conflicting statements. Above you say, you don't like the whole post, but a few post down you say this:

You may give examples so as one can understand better what you write, but it's quite evident to me that the majority, actually all of your posts only write about Waheguru.

Can you please clear up this confusion. Does Harsharan only speak about Vaheguru or do you only like partially his post because he insults others?

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Jacfsing2    1,884

I believe you are sending out conflicting statements. Above you say, you don't like the whole post, but a few post down you say this:Can you please clear up this confusion. Does Harsharan only speak about Vaheguru or do you only like partially his post because he insults others?

Is there a reason you don't like Harsharan? (Really you should read what Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Vaheguru himself, said to Babbar in Babbar bani, or what Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji said to Aurangzeb in Zarfarnama). Edited by Jacfsing2
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harsharan000    2,061
ONLY EXPERIENCE PROVIDES TRUE KNOWLEDGE

We may spend all our lives praising Wahiguru, but if we do not experience it by ourselves, we can not get Him.

Mere talking or listening does not take us to Him.

It is our "karnee", our sincere efforts, in the form of bhakti, which takes us closer to Him.

Let us face the reality.

Wahiguru is inside us.

But inside ourselves, we pay no attention. We are lost and entangled outside; there where, all is maya ....

That is why our Guru Sahibans, have stressed upon only one true bhakti, which is Nam Bhakti, Nam Simran, Nam Abhyaas, which draws all our attention from outside, and makes us concentrate upon only one eternal Truth, namely Wahiguru.

It is only then, when we experience by ourselves, the bliss of Wahiguru.

That is why, the bani says: "Jin Har japiyaa, se Har hoeeyaa"

This is the only road(Nam Bhakti) which takes us, to His Charan Kamal.
Sat Sree Akal.
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