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In Gurmat, we become aware of the Inmensity and majesty of Wahiguru.

And moreover if ever we have to devote ourselves, that has to be only, and only Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Though there are many well known spiritual entities, gods, godesses, devtas, angels, which are worshipped by human beings at different places and in different dharams.

But the fact is, at most one goes to their abodes for a temporary stay, then fall back into the creation.

If one is bad or good by nature, worshipping these entities, will only make us get powers or boons, that is it.

While on the other side, if we worship Wahiguru only, Fifth Patshahee in Raag Soohee, tells us in simple and plain words, what are the consequences in doing so :

ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਰਾਧਹਿ ਮੈਲੁ ਸਭ ਕਾਟਹਿ ਕਿਲਵਿਖ ਸਗਲੇ ਖੋਵੈ

Har Naam Araadhhehi Mail Sabh Kaattehi Kilavikh Sagalae Khovai

हरि नामु अराधहि मैलु सभ काटहि किलविख सगले खोवै

They worship the Lord's Name, and all their filth is washed away; they rid themselves of all sins.

I think we need no expalnations, His lovely words are self sufficient by themselves.

And if we did understand anything from it, it means, we become pure paviter, howsoever we are, and thus we merge in Him by His unlimited Daya Meher.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Harsharan ji you mentioned powers and boons, just out of curiousity is it possible to receive bad luck or any disadvantages from worshipping them ji? Obviously Waheguru are the creator and karm play a part, but how can it affect a persons life ji?

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Just out of curiousity is it possible to receive bad luck or any disadvantages from worshipping them ji?

Obviously Waheguru are the creator, and karm play a part, but how can it affect a persons life ji?

Well sister,

what is bad luck?

Or what is the worst thing which can happen to a jeev-atma?

The answer naturally is: being away from our beloved Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

So worshipping any other than Wahiguru, is the biggest disadvantage or bad luck by itself, which one gets in doing so.

Because we can become the rulers of the Trilok, or at most, reach and spend some time in Swarg or Baikunth, but never ever become one with those entities, gods, godesses, etc..

The Bani says:

Ekas bin sabh dandh hae. Without the One Lord Wahiguru, everything else is false, is filth.

Moreover:

Bahut janam vichurey teh Madhao, ehe janam Tumare lekhey.

In countless lives, we have done all sort of poojas, paths, japa, tapa, pilgrimages, bathings in so called sacred waters, etc... and the result is, we are still wandering aimlessly in the "chaurasee ka chakar", so dear Lord, this very present life I dedicate it in Your exclusive devotion.

And so, what is that blessed and unique devotion which purfies us from all our trishnas, sins, sanskaras, vaasnas, and ultimately guarantees our union with Him?

The Bani referring to this devotion which can be offered to Wahiguru and accepted in His Court, says:

Prabh ka Simran sabh tay oochaa.

Prabh ka Simran, man kee mael jaae.

Prabh ka Simran garb na baseh.

Within just these 3 lines above and in just few words, we can define the base and summary of Sikhee.

Sikhee is not complicated at all, rather it is the most simple, tender, and direct to Wahiguru´s abode.

To end, a bit more from Gurbani, as per means of the true Bhakti.

The Bani clearly says: Jin Har japeeya, se Har hoeeya.

You see, the Bani or Gurmat is perfect from all angles, it our "durmat" or deep ignorance, which makes us interpret the Bani wrongly.

That is the only reason, why we do so many other things, which we proudly think is our dharam, thus get away farther and farther from Wahiguru.

And in the bargain, we foolishly loose our very lives...and who knows if we will ever get another human form, or even, when will we get it, to dedicate oureslves at His Lotus Feet.

This present life is our time, this present life is our only chance, so let us take the anchor of His Naam alone, and get ferried away from this mayavee Bhavsagar, to our Nijh Ghar, Sach Khand, at His Lotus Feet.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Everything which these gods have is given to them by Waheguru. They also ask Waheguru for all these powers that they have.

ब्रहम महेस सिध मुनि इंद्रा भगति दानु जसु मंगी ॥१॥
Barahm mahes siḏẖ mun inḏrā bẖagaṯ ḏān jas mangī. ||1||
Brahma, Shiva, adepts, silent sages and Indra, ask for the alms of the Lord's meditation and praise.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ, ਸ਼ਿਵਜੀ, ਕਰਾਮਾਤੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼, ਚੁਪ ਕਰੀਤੇ ਰਿਸ਼ੀ ਅਤੇ ਇੱਦਰ, ਸੁਆਮੀ ਦੇ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਅਤੇ ਕੀਰਤੀ ਦੀ ਖ਼ੈਰ ਮੰਗਦੇ ਹਨ।

However this shabad tells us what true worship is. It is on page 1322

कलिआनु महला ५ ॥
Kali▫ān mėhlā 5.
Kalyan 5th Guru.
ਕਲਿਆਨ ਪੰਜਵੀਂ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ।
कउनु बिधि ता की कहा करउ ॥
Ka▫un biḏẖ ṯā kī kahā kara▫o.
By What way can I meet with Him and what should I do to achieve this aim?
ਕਿਸ ਜੁਗਤੀ ਦੁਆਰਾ, ਮੈਂ ਉਸ ਨਾਲ ਮਿਲ ਸਕਦਾ ਹਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਇਸ ਮਨੋਰਥ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤੀ ਲਈ ਮੈਂ ਕੀ ਕਰਾਂ?
धरत धिआनु गिआनु ससत्रगिआ अजर पदु कैसे जरउ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Ḏẖaraṯ ḏẖi▫ān gi▫ān sasṯargi▫ā ajar paḏ kaise jara▫o. ||1|| rahā▫o.
Some knowers of Shashtras fix their attention on the Divine knowledge, how should I bear the unbearable state?. Pause.
ਕਈ ਸ਼ਾਸਤਰਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਜਾਣਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਆਪਣੀ ਬਿਰਤੀ ਨੂੰ ਬ੍ਰਹਿਮ-ਬੀਚਾਰ ਅੰਦਰ ਜੋੜਦੇ ਹਨ। ਮੈਂ ਅਸਹਿ ਅਵਸਥਾ ਨੂੰ ਕਿਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਸਹਾਰਾ? ਠਹਿਰਾਉ।
बिसन महेस सिध मुनि इंद्रा कै दरि सरनि परउ ॥१॥
Bisan mahes siḏẖ mun inḏrā kai ḏar saran para▫o. ||1||
Of Vishnu, Shva, the adepts, the men of silence and Indra, of whose door should I seek the refuge?
ਵਿਸ਼ਨ੍ਹੂ ਸਿਵਜੀ, ਪੂਰਨ ਪੁਰਸ਼, ਖਾਮੋਸ਼ ਬੰਦੇ ਅਤੇ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ, ਇਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਮੈਂ ਕਿਸ ਦੇ ਬੂਹੇ ਦੀ ਪਨਾਹ ਲਵਾਂ?
काहू पहि राजु काहू पहि सुरगा कोटि मधे मुकति कहउ ॥
Kāhū pėh rāj kāhū pėh surgā kot maḏẖe mukaṯ kaha▫o.
With some are dominions, with others paradise, but, some rare one out of millions, is said to be blessed with emancipation.
ਕਿਸੇ ਕੋਲ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਹੈ, ਕਿਸੇ ਕੋਲ ਬਹਿਸ਼ਤ ਪ੍ਰੰਤੂ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾ ਵਿਚੋਂ ਕਿਸੇ ਵਿਰਲੇ ਦੇ ਪੱਲੇ ਹੀ ਕਲਿਆਨ ਦੀ ਬਖਸ਼ਸ਼ ਦੱਸੀ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ।
कहु नानक नाम रसु पाईऐ साधू चरन गहउ ॥२॥३॥६॥
Kaho Nānak nām ras pā▫ī▫ai sāḏẖū cẖaran gaha▫o. ||2||3||6||
Says Nanak, grasping the feet of the saint, I have obtained the Name Nectar.
ਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਆਖਦੇ ਹਨ, ਸੰਤਾਂ ਦੇ ਪੈਰ ਪਕੜਨ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਮੈਨੂੰ ਨਾਮ-ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੋ ਗਿਆ ਹੈ।
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There is another shabad in Gurbani which explains what the fruit of worshipping these deities is. I will post it here when I find it.

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Everything which these gods have is given to them by Waheguru. They also ask Waheguru for all these powers that they have.

ब्रहम महेस सिध मुनि इंद्रा भगति दानु जसु मंगी ॥१॥
Barahm mahes siḏẖ mun inḏrā bẖagaṯ ḏān jas mangī. ||1||
Brahma, Shiva, adepts, silent sages and Indra, ask for the alms of the Lord's meditation and praise.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ, ਸ਼ਿਵਜੀ, ਕਰਾਮਾਤੀ ਪੁਰਸ਼, ਚੁਪ ਕਰੀਤੇ ਰਿਸ਼ੀ ਅਤੇ ਇੱਦਰ, ਸੁਆਮੀ ਦੇ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਅਤੇ ਕੀਰਤੀ ਦੀ ਖ਼ੈਰ ਮੰਗਦੇ ਹਨ।

sikhni777,

Nice words jee.

But I would say, these deities have their powers due to the role they have to play in the creation, not that they ask for it.

Just as law authorizes a policeman to catch a thief, or a judge to send someone to prison ....

In a similar way, Nature has given them(these gods) such attributes in order not to display them but to run the mayavee creation to an extent. That´s it.

Because as you very well say in a line below, they also ask for the alms for the Lord´s meditation and praise.

Then if so is the case, then naturally it makes no sense in worshipping them, but rather according to the Bani, directly to Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Because as stated beautifully at the end of the Shabad quoted by you above, they too, if they want emancipation, they too have to come first in the human joonee, and grasp the Feet of a Gurmukh, of a Sadh Jana, who are one with Wahiguru Akal Purukh, and thus get the Amrit Naam from them.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Here is the shabad which explains the fruits of worshipping these deities

गोंड ॥
Gond.
Gond.
ਗੋਂਡ।
भैरउ भूत सीतला धावै ॥
Bẖairo bẖūṯ sīṯlā ḏẖāvai.
He who runs after sprite Bhairav and goddess Sitla,
ਜੋ ਪਿਸਾਚ ਭੈਰੋ ਅਤੇ ਦੇਵੀ ਸੀਤਲਾ ਮਗਰ ਦੌੜਦਾ ਹੈ,
खर बाहनु उहु छारु उडावै ॥१॥
Kẖar bāhan uho cẖẖār udāvai. ||1||
he rides a donkey and scatters dust.
ਉਹ ਖੋਤੇ ਤੇ ਚੜ੍ਹਦਾ ਹੈ ਅਤੇ ਖੇਹ ਉਠਾਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ।
हउ तउ एकु रमईआ लैहउ ॥
Ha▫o ṯa▫o ek rama▫ī▫ā laiha▫o.
I take to the name of the One Lord alone.
ਮੈਂ ਤਾਂ ਕੇਵਲ ਇਕ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਨੂੰ ਹੀ ਲੈਂਦਾ ਹਾਂ।
आन देव बदलावनि दैहउ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Ān ḏev baḏlāvan ḏaiha▫o. ||1|| rahā▫o.
I have given away all other goods in exchange for Him. Pause
ਮੈਂ ਹੋਰ ਸਾਰੇ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਵਟਾਂਦਰੇ ਵਿੱਚ ਦੇ ਛੱਡੇ ਹਨ। ਠਹਿਰਾਉ।
सिव सिव करते जो नरु धिआवै ॥
Siv siv karṯe jo nar ḏẖi▫āvai.
The man, who uttering the Name of Shiva and worships him;
ਜਿਹੜਾ ਇਨਸਾਨ ਸ਼ਿਵਜੀ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ ਉਚਾਰਦਾ ਅਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ;
बरद चढे डउरू ढमकावै ॥२॥
Baraḏ cẖadẖe da▫urū dẖamkāvai. ||2||
he rides on ox beats the tambourine.
ਉਹ ਬਲ੍ਹਦਾ ਤੇ ਚੜ੍ਹਦਾ ਅਤੇ ਡੱਫ ਵਜਾਉਂਦਾ ਹੈ।
महा माई की पूजा करै ॥
Mahā mā▫ī kī pūjā karai.
He who adores Mahanmai,
ਜੋ ਮਹਾਂਮਾਈ ਦੀ ਉਪਾਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ,
नर सै नारि होइ अउतरै ॥३॥
Nar sai nār ho▫e a▫uṯarai. ||3||
is born as a woman instead of man.
ਉਹ ਆਦਮੀ ਤੋਂ ਤੀਵੀਂ ਹੋ ਕੇ ਜੰਮਦਾ ਹੈ।
तू कहीअत ही आदि भवानी ॥
Ŧū kahī▫aṯ hī āḏ bẖavānī.
Thou art called the primal goddess,
ਤੂੰ ਮੁੱਢਲੀ ਦੇਵੀ ਆਖੀ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ,
मुकति की बरीआ कहा छपानी ॥४॥
Mukaṯ kī barī▫ā kahā cẖẖapānī. ||4||
at the time of granting salvation, where did you hide thyself.
ਮੁਕਤੀ ਦੇਣ ਦੇ ਵੇਲੇ ਤੂੰ ਕਿਥੇ ਆਪਦੇ ਆਪ ਨੂੰ ਲੁਕਾ ਲੈਨੀ ਹੈਂ?
गुरमति राम नाम गहु मीता ॥
Gurmaṯ rām nām gahu mīṯā.
Under the Guru instruction, O my friend Hold fast thou fast to the Lord's Name.
ਗੁਰਾਂ ਦੇ ਉਪਦੇਸ਼ ਤਾਬੇ, ਹੇ ਮੇਰੇ ਮਿੱਤਰ! ਤੂੰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਨੂੰ ਘੁੱਟ ਕੇ ਫੜੀ ਰੱਖ।
प्रणवै नामा इउ कहै गीता ॥५॥२॥६॥
Paraṇvai nāmā i▫o kahai gīṯā. ||5||2||6||
Prays Namdev so says the Geeta as well
ਨਾਮ ਦੇਵ ਬੇਨਤੀ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਗੀਤਾ ਭੀ ਇਸੇ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਹੀ ਆਖਦੀ ਹੈ।
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The above shabad is on SGGS 874.

Interestingly I came across another line...on page 1156... the shabad is long and continues onto the next Ang.

भैरउ महला ५ ॥
Bẖairo mėhlā 5.
Bhairo 5th Guru.
ਭੈਰਉ ਪੰਜਵੀਂ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ।
कोटि बिसन कीने अवतार ॥
Kot bisan kīne avṯār.
He created millions of incarnations of Vishnu.
ਉਸ ਨੇ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਸ਼ਨੂੰ ਦੇ ਅਉਤਾਰ ਰਚੇ।
कोटि ब्रहमंड जा के ध्रमसाल ॥
Kot barahmand jā ke ḏẖaramsāl.
He who has millions of solar systems as places to practise virtue.
ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਸੂਰਜ-ਮੰਡਲ ਨੇਕੀ ਕਮਾਉਣ ਦੇ ਟਿਕਾਉਣੇ ਵਜੋਂ ਹਨ।
कोटि महेस उपाइ समाए ॥
Kot mahes upā▫e samā▫e.
He created and destroyed millions of Shivas.
ਉਸ ਨੇ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਸ਼ਿਵਜੀ ਪੈਦਾ ਅਤੇ ਲਾਸ ਕੀਤੇ।
कोटि ब्रहमे जगु साजण लाए ॥१॥
Kot barahme jag sājaṇ lā▫e. ||1||
He has employed myriads of Brahmas to create the universes.
ਉਸ ਨੇ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਆਲਮਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਰਚਨ ਲਈ ਲਾਏ ਹੋਏ ਹਨ।
ऐसो धणी गुविंदु हमारा ॥
Aiso ḏẖaṇī guvinḏ hamārā.
Such is my Master Lord, O man.
ਇਹੋ ਜਿਹਾ ਹੈ ਮੇਰਾ ਮਾਲਕ ਸੁਆਮੀ, ਹੇ ਬੰਦੇ!
बरनि न साकउ गुण बिसथारा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Baran na sāka▫o guṇ bisthārā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
He has good many virtues. I can narrate them not. Pause.
ਉਸ ਵਿੱਚ ਬਹੁਤੀਆਂ ਹੀ ਨੇਕੀਆਂ ਹਨ। ਮੈਂ ਉਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਵਰਨਣ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰ ਸਕਦਾ। ਠਹਿਰਾਉ।
कोटि माइआ जा कै सेवकाइ ॥
Kot mā▫i▫ā jā kai sevkā▫e.
Such is the Lord, millions of Lakhshmis are his maids,
ਐਸਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਲਖਸ਼ਮੀਆਂ ਹਨ ਜਿਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਨੌਕਰਾਣੀਆਂ,
कोटि जीअ जा की सिहजाइ ॥
Kot jī▫a jā kī sihjā▫e.
and myriads of beings are whose couches.
ਅਤੇ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਜੀਵ ਹਨ ਜਿਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਸੇਜਾਂ।
कोटि उपारजना तेरै अंगि ॥
Kot upārjanā ṯerai ang.
Millions of universes are in Thy Being, O Lord.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਆਲਮ, ਤੇਰੇ ਸਰੂਪ ਅੰਦਰ ਹਨ, ਹੇ ਸੁਆਮੀ!
कोटि भगत बसत हरि संगि ॥२॥
Kot bẖagaṯ basaṯ har sang. ||2||
Myriads of devotees abide with the Lord.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਸ਼ਰਧਾਲੂ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਦੇ ਨਾਲ ਵਸਦੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि छत्रपति करत नमसकार ॥
Kot cẖẖaṯarpaṯ karaṯ namaskār.
Millions of Lords of throne and crown make obeisance unto Him.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਤਖਤ ਤੇ ਤਾਜ ਦੇ ਪਤੀ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਣਾਮ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि इंद्र ठाढे है दुआर ॥
Kot inḏar ṯẖādẖe hai ḏu▫ār.
Million of Indras stand at His door.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਇੰਦ੍ਰ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਬੂਹੇ ਤੇ ਖੜ੍ਹੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि बैकुंठ जा की द्रिसटी माहि ॥
Kot baikunṯẖ jā kī ḏaristī māhi.
Such is He, whose vision are millions of paradises.
ਐਸਾ ਹੈ ਉਸ ਜਿਸ ਦਸੀ ਨਿਗ੍ਹਾ ਅੰਦਰ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾ ਹੀ ਸਵਰਗ ਹਨ।
कोटि नाम जा की कीमति नाहि ॥३॥
Kot nām jā kī kīmaṯ nāhi. ||3||
Myriads are the Lord's Names, whose worth can be appraised not.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਹਨ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਨਾਮ ਜਿਨ੍ਹਾਂ ਦਾ ਮੁੱਲ ਪਾਇਆ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾ ਸਕਦਾ।
कोटि पूरीअत है जा कै नाद ॥
Kot pūrī▫aṯ hai jā kai nāḏ.
Such is He, at whose door millions of conches are sounded.
ਐਸਾ ਹੈ ਉਹ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਦੁਆਰੇ ਤੇ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਸੰਖ ਪੂਰੇ ਜਾਂਦੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि अखारे चलित बिसमाद ॥
Kot akẖāre cẖaliṯ bismāḏ.
Millions are His arenas and wondrous plays.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਹਨ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਅਖਾੜੇ ਤੇ ਅਸਚਰਜ ਖੇਡਾਂ।
कोटि सकति सिव आगिआकार ॥
Kot sakaṯ siv āgi▫ākār.
He has myriads of obedient Laksmis and Shivas.
ਉਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਫਰਮਾਂਬਰਦਾਰ ਲਖਸ਼ਮੀਆਂ ਅਤੇ ਮਹਾਂਦੇਵ ਹਨ।
कोटि जीअ देवै आधार ॥४॥
Kot jī▫a ḏevai āḏẖār. ||4||
To millions of beings, the Lord gives sustenance.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਜੀਵਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰੋਜ਼ੀ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ।
कोटि तीरथ जा के चरन मझार ॥
Kot ṯirath jā ke cẖaran majẖār.
Millions of pilgrim stations are in whose feet.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਯਾਤਰਾ ਅਸਥਾਨ ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਪੈਰਾਂ ਵਿੱਚ ਹਨ।
कोटि पवित्र जपत नाम चार ॥
Kot paviṯar japaṯ nām cẖār.
Millions utter the immaculate and beauteous Name of the Lord.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਦੇ ਪਾਵਨ ਅਤੇ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਨਾਮ ਦਾ ਉਚਾਰਨ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि पूजारी करते पूजा ॥
Kot pūjārī karṯe pūjā.
Millions of worshippers worship the Lord.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਉਪਾਸ਼ਕ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਉਪਾਸ਼ਨਾ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि बिसथारनु अवरु न दूजा ॥५॥
Kot bisthāran avar na ḏūjā. ||5||
Million are His expanses. There is not any other save Him.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਹਨ ਉਸ ਦੇ ਫੈਲਾਉ। ਉਸ ਦੇ ਬਗੈਰ ਹੋਰ ਕੋਈ ਨਹੀਂ।
कोटि महिमा जा की निरमल हंस ॥
Kot mahimā jā kī nirmal hans.
Whose pure praise is sung by millions of swan-souls.
ਜਿਸ ਦਾ ਪਵਿੱਤਰ ਜੱਸ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾ ਹੀ ਰਾਜਹੰਸ ਰੂਹਾਂ ਗਾਉਂਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ।
कोटि उसतति जा की करत ब्रहमंस ॥
Kot usṯaṯ jā kī karaṯ barahmans.
Myriads of whose praises are hymned by the sons of Brahma.
ਜਿਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਸਿਫਤਾਂ ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾਂ ਦੇ ਪੁਤ੍ਰ ਗਾਇਣ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि परलउ ओपति निमख माहि ॥
Kot parla▫o opaṯ nimakẖ māhi.
Myriads of destructions and creations, the Lord affects in an instant.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਖਪਤਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਉਤਪਤੀਆਂ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਇਕ ਮੁਹਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਰ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ।
कोटि गुणा तेरे गणे न जाहि ॥६॥
Kot guṇā ṯere gaṇe na jāhi. ||6||
Millions are Thine virtues, which can be counted not, O Lord.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹਨ ਤੇਰੀਆਂ ਨੇਕੀਆਂ, ਜਿਹੜੀਆਂ ਗਿਣੀਆਂ ਨਹੀਂ ਜਾ ਸਕਦੀਆਂ, ਹੇ ਸੁਆਮੀ!
कोटि गिआनी कथहि गिआनु ॥
Kot gi▫ānī kathėh gi▫ān.
Millions of theologians expound gnosis.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬੇਤੇ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਦੀ ਵਿਆਖਿਆ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि धिआनी धरत धिआनु ॥
Kot ḏẖi▫ānī ḏẖaraṯ ḏẖi▫ān.
Millions of contemplators contemplate Him.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਚਿੰਤਨ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲੇ ਉਸ ਦਾ ਚਿੰਤਨ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ।
कोटि तपीसर तप ही करते ॥
Kot ṯapīsar ṯap hī karṯe.
Millions of penitents just practise penitence.
ਕ੍ਰੋੜਾਂ ਹੀ ਤਪੀ ਤਪੱਸਿਆ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ।
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page* 1156... the shabad is long and continues onto the next page*.

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sikhni777,

Nice words jee.

But I would say, these deities have their powers due to the role they have to play in the creation, not that they ask for it.

Just as law authorizes a policeman to catch a thief, or a judge to send someone to prison ....

In a similar way, Nature has given them(these gods) such attributes in order not to display them but to run the mayavee creation to an extent. That´s it.

Because as you very well say in a line below, they also ask for the alms for the Lord´s meditation and praise.

Then if so is the case, then naturally it makes no sense in worshipping them, but rather according to the Bani, directly to Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Because as stated beautifully at the end of the Shabad quoted by you above, they too, if they want emancipation, they too have to come first in the human joonee, and grasp the Feet of a Gurmukh, of a Sadh Jana, who are one with Wahiguru Akal Purukh, and thus get the Amrit Naam from them.

Sat Sree Akal.

Bhaji. With all Due respect. These Devi-Devta play a little role in the running of the Creation. Akaal Purkh thyself creates and Akaal Purkh thyself destroys when he wishes. Akaal Purkh Sustains and Akaal Purkh tears down.

In Benti Chaupai the 10th Lord makes that clear in the Pauri regarding when God expands creation comes forth and when he absorbs all within him Creation is destroyed.

The Gods aand Goddess, from my understanding of the Bachitar Natak came after creation. Akaal Purkh created them but they themselves became so absorbed in the Worship of Power that they forget their creator.

ਜਬ ਪਹਿਲੇ ਹਮ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਬਨਾਈ ॥ ਦਈਤ ਰਚੇ ਦੁਸਟ ਦੁਖਦਾਈ ॥

जब पहिले हम स्रिसटि बनाई ॥ दईत रचे दुसट दुखदाई ॥
When I created the world in the beginning, I created the ignominious and dreadful Daityas.

ਤੇ ਹਮ ਤਮਕਿ ਤਨਕ ਮੋ ਖਾਪੇ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕੀ ਠਉਰ ਦੇਵਤਾ ਥਾਪੇ ॥

ते हम तमकि तनक मो खापे ॥ तिन की ठउर देवता थापे ॥
I destroyed them in no time and created gods in their place.
ਤੇ ਭੀ ਬਲਿ ਪੂਜਾ ਉਰਝਾਏ ॥ ਆਪਨ ਹੀ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰ ਕਹਾਏ ॥੭॥
ते भी बलि पूजा उरझाए ॥ आपन ही परमेसुर कहाए ॥७॥
They were also absorbed in the worship of power and called themselves Ominipotednt.7.
ਮਹਾਦੇਵ ਅਚੁੱਤ ਕਹਾਯੋ ॥ ਬਿਸਨ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਕੋ ਠਹਿਰਾਯੋ ॥
महादेव अचु्त कहायो ॥ बिसन आप ही को ठहिरायो ॥
Mahadeo (Shiva) was called Achyuta (blotless), Vishnu considered himself the Supreme.
ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਆਪ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਬਖਾਨਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੋ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਜਾਨਾ ॥੮॥
ब्रहमा आप पारब्रहम बखाना ॥ प्रभ को प्रभू न किनहूं जाना ॥८॥
Brahma called himself Para Brahman, none could comprehend the Lord.8.
ਤਬ ਸਾਖੀ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਸਟ ਬਨਾਏ ॥ ਸਾਖ ਨਮਿਤ ਦੇਬੇ ਠਹਿਰਾਏ ॥
तब साखी प्रभ असट बनाए ॥ साख नमित देबे ठहिराए ॥
Then I created eight Sakshis in order to give evidence of my Entity.
ਤੇ ਕਹੈ ਕਰੋ ਹਮਾਰੀ ਪੂਜਾ ॥ ਹਮ ਬਿਨ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਠਾਕੁਰੁ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੯॥
ते कहै करो हमारी पूजा ॥ हम बिन अवरु न ठाकुरु दूजा ॥९॥
But they considered themselves all in all and aasked the people to worship them.9.
ਪਰਮ ਤਤ ਕੋ ਜਿਨ ਨ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕਰਿ ਈਸਰ ਤਿਨ ਕਹੁ ਮਾਨਾ ॥
परम तत को जिन न पछाना ॥ तिन करि ईसर तिन कहु माना ॥
Those who did not comprehend the Lord, they were considered as Ishvara.
ਕੇਤੇ ਸੂਰ ਚੰਦ ਕਹੁ ਮਾਨੈ ॥ ਅਗਨਿ ਹੋਤ੍ਰ ਕਈ ਪਵਨ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਨੈ ॥੧੦॥
केते सूर चंद कहु मानै ॥ अगनि होत्र कई पवन प्रमानै ॥१०॥
Several people worshipped the sun and the moon and several others worshipped Fire and Ait.10.
ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਹਨ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥ ਨ੍ਹਾਤ ਕਿਤੇ ਜਲ ਕਰਤ ਬਿਧਾਨਾ ॥
किनहूं प्रभु पाहन पहिचाना ॥ न्हात किते जल करत बिधाना ॥
Several them considered God as stone and several others bathed considering the Lordship of Water.
ਕੇਤਕ ਕਰਮ ਕਰਤ ਡਰਪਾਨਾ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਰਾਜ ਕੋ ਧਰਮ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੧੧॥
केतक करम करत डरपाना ॥ धरम राज को धरम पछाना ॥११॥
Considering Dharmaraja as the Supreme representative of Dharma, several bore fear of him in their actions. 11.
ਜੋ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਸਾਖ ਨਮਿਤ ਠਹਿਰਾਏ ॥ ਤੇ ਹਿਆਂ ਆਇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਕਹਵਾਏ ॥
जो प्रभ साख नमित ठहिराए ॥ ते हिआं आइ प्रभू कहवाए ॥
All those whom God established for the revelation of His Supremacy, they themselves were called Supreme.
ਤਾ ਕੀ ਬਾਤ ਬਿਸਰ ਜਾਤੀ ਭੀ ॥ ਅਪਨੀ ਅਪਨੀ ਪਰਤ ਸੋਭ ਭੀ ॥੧੨॥
ता की बात बिसर जाती भी ॥ अपनी अपनी परत सोभ भी ॥१२॥
They forgot the Lord in their race for supremacy. 12
ਜਬ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੋ ਨ ਤਿਨੈ ਪਹਿਚਾਨਾ ॥ ਤਬ ਹਰਿ ਇਨ ਮਨੁਛਨ ਠਹਿਰਾਨਾ ॥
जब प्रभ को न तिनै पहिचाना ॥ तब हरि इन मनुछन ठहिराना ॥
When they did not comprehend the Lord, then I established human beings in their place.

In my humblest Opinion. The gods are nothing more than extremely powerful beings that Mahakaal blessed with Power. The Jobs that many people attribute to Brahma,Vishnu,Shiva are all being done by the Lord.
The dogs are entangled in Maya like the rest of us.
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पवणु पाणी अगनि तिनि कीआ ब्रहमा बिसनु महेस अकार ॥

Pavaṇ pāṇī agan ṯin kī▫ā barahmā bisan mahes akār.

He has created air, water, fire, Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and the entire creation.

ਉਸ ਨੇ ਹਵਾ, ਜਲ, ਅੱਗ, ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ, ਵਿਸ਼ਨੂੰ, ਸ਼ਿਵਜੀ ਅਤੇ ਸਮੂਹ ਰਚਨਾ ਸਾਜੀ ਹੈ।

सरबे जाचिक तूं प्रभु दाता दाति करे अपुनै बीचार ॥४॥

Sarbe jācẖik ṯūʼn parabẖ ḏāṯā ḏāṯ kare apunai bīcẖār. ||4||

All are mumpers, Thou alone art the Beneficent Lord. Thou givest volition.

ਸਾਰੇ ਮੰਗਤੇ ਹਨ, ਕੇਵਲ ਤੂੰ ਹੀ ਦਾਤਾਰ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਹੈ। ਤੂੰ ਆਪਣੀ ਰਜ਼ਾ ਅਨੁਸਾਰ ਬਖਸ਼ਸ਼ਾਂ ਦਿੰਦਾ ਹੈ।

कोटि तेतीस जाचहि प्रभ नाइक देदे तोटि नाही भंडार ॥

Kot ṯeṯīs jācẖėh parabẖ nā▫ik ḏeḏe ṯot nāhī bẖandār.

Thirty three millions of gods bed (actually supposed to be beg) of the Lord Master, whose treasures exhaust not by giving.

ਤੇਤੀ ਕ੍ਰੋੜ ਦੇਵਤੇ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਮਾਲਕ ਪਾਸੋਂ ਮੰਗਦੇ ਹਨ, ਜਿਸ ਦੇ ਖਜਾਨੇ, ਦੇਣ ਨਾਲ ਮੁੱਕਦੇ ਨਹੀਂ।

mumpers above means beggars.

volition meaning blessings, asisa

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Thankuji so much Harsharan paji, Sikhni777 penji and Kira ji for your kind responses.

For some reason I am not able to like Sikhni777 ji's posts, the screen jumps when I click on like. Another question, (deleted, sorryji I already asked it in the first post ) .and Jacfsing2 ji, I can't spell oops for your reply too. Thanku ji for ur reply too* not typing too well today. ?

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Bhaji. With all Due respect. These Devi-Devta play a little role in the running of the Creation. Akaal Purkh thyself creates and Akaal Purkh thyself destroys when he wishes. Akaal Purkh Sustains and Akaal Purkh tears down.

In Benti Chaupai the 10th Lord makes that clear in the Pauri regarding when God expands creation comes forth and when he absorbs all within him Creation is destroyed.

The Gods aand Goddess, from my understanding of the Bachitar Natak came after creation. Akaal Purkh created them but they themselves became so absorbed in the Worship of Power that they forget their creator.

In my humblest Opinion. The gods are nothing more than extremely powerful beings that Mahakaal blessed with Power. The Jobs that many people attribute to Brahma,Vishnu,Shiva are all being done by the Lord.
The dogs are entangled in Maya like the rest of us.

Wise words full of truth Kira Jee.

The Shabads or quotations you have provided are just fantastic.

Overall, your post denotes deep reverence and a solid faith in Wahiguru, which is admirable. And such sincere attitude of devotion, makes me feel to bless(best wishes) you, so that you may achieve your goal Wahiguru, as soon as possible with His grace.

Next.... I have no doubt at all, that everything is executed by His Hukum, to the extent, that, as some has beautifully said: not even a leaf of a tree can move without His Hukum.

When I say, that these gods have a role to play, I mean to say, they are also under His Hukum. Nobody can dare to do anything if that is not His will.

Neither have we any power or control about our lives.

Do we know why we were sent in this world?

Do we know since when we are in this mayavee creation?

What have we done until today to not be here?

So if we are nothing and have no power, what does that mean? Everything is executed perfectly by His Hukum.

What control do we have over overfloods, over earth quakes, over natural disasters? T

To some may seem, that if He exists, why do these things happen? Why does He not stop them?

The answer to this is also, that is because it is due to His Hukum, though unlogic for our poor understanding, but still it is nothing but His hukum in motion.

To blame gods and others(kaal purukh, maya, mind for instance) for anything, is ridicule, because they also act as per the roles assigned to them, with the appropiate tools, so that they may perform their jobs adecuately.

Here in our world, when a boss emplyos someone, the employee can be not worthy in the long run, and turn out to be a fraud.

But in Wahiguru´s case, this can never ocurr. Not because of anything else, but because He is perfect, He knows beforehand what is going to happen, He is the Supreme director, He knows at all times what is going to happen next, because He planned so right from the microscopic levels to the Macro Cosmos levels and beyond, nothing is without His consentment. The actors have no choice, in wanting to be the main hero in the film, or not wanting to play the role of a vilain, or rich or poor...and so on

It is all per His will.

As the Bani says, to those whom He wants to call back to Him, He makes them do the right devotion; to others He keeps them confused with maya, karam khands, gods, etc..., so they keep wandering in the creation.

You see, if He wants the creation to go on running, there must be something to keep distracted the jeevas.

It is not that easy to have faith in Him, or love Him. That also is by His Hukum.

So whom to blame?

Rather we should feel pity for all who do not know the real value of Gurmat, because after all from our level, we do understand, they too are His jeevas, and we wished they too knew wht we know today, so that they may also finish their wandering as soon as possible.

There was a time, when I used to get affected, when I used to explain the simple Truths of Gurmat, and saw that even then no effect was on them, rather turn against me after that ....

So I made myself understand, not that if I bring a nail and a hammer, and make a hole in the heads of the people and put Gurmat, that they will understand and accept it, becasue they are not mature enough yet to accept Gurmat, by His Hukum.

So dear, who can go against His Hukum? Naturally nobody.

But then too, Wahiguru´s mahima, never goes in waste. No matter if today someone does not accept the teachings, but as the seed of His mahima has gone into that being, its purity will automatically make an impression in them, which will turn out for their benefit, as good sanskaras in future lives.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Thankuji so much Harsharan paji, Sikhni777 penji and Kira ji for your kind responses.

For some reason I am not able to like Sikhni777 ji's posts, the screen jumps when I click on like. Another question, (deleted, sorryji I already asked it in the first post ) .and Jacfsing2 ji, I can't spell oops for your reply too. Thanku ji for ur reply too* not typing too well today. ?

We all have those days when we don't feel well.
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Was that a sarcastic comment or a supporting one?

supporting, I don't do sarcasm.
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Harsharan ji you mentioned powers and boons, just out of curiousity is it possible to receive bad luck or any disadvantages from worshipping them ji? Obviously Waheguru are the creator and karm play a part, but how can it affect a persons life ji?

Simran ji, You can receive bad luck if you worship them and misuse their power/boons/gifts. Say you get blessed with dhan/yash/wealth, and you misuse it so cheat others or use the blessing on paapi/wasteful thing such as alcohol/adultery etc. You can have the good luck go bad on you and you might have even a loss from where you started from before worshipping those spirits. Another thing is, if you do not worship them the correct way or make mistakes in pronunciation of their prayers the prayer can go negative on you.

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If one is bad or good by nature, worshipping these entities, will only make us get powers or boons, that is it.

Pyare Harsharan000 ji, I feel as if that line is flawed because when people worship and do jaap of 'spirits' the bhakti does indeed go to God Sri Vaheguru. There is a long story in our dharm where it says that the character 'Ajamal' was a religious Brahmin who went offtrack in bhakti, and he started living a negative life full of paaps with a prostitute partner. A group of sadhus who seemed to be partly antarjami realized how Ajamal went nastik, and felt bad for them and told him to name his next child 'Narayan' (Narayan is known as a form of Sri Vishnu in Sanatan Dharm, those people knew Sri Vishnu as Narayan). By naming Ajamal's child Narayan, everyone who called upon Narayan(Ajamal's son) recieved punyas, because remembering or saying the name of God even once is recorded as a punya. Now, my point was that if you worship a spirit who has the name of God, and you call it God, you indeed do recieve punyas by doing their name's jaap. Such as how sanatan hindus do jaap of Sri Ram Raja as 'ram ram hare hare', they will recieve punyas because RAM is the name of God as well. See what I am saying? Har, hare! Another point is we believe in Non-duality, meaning God and us are not different, Ik Onkar=there's only one, and we merge into that one when it chooses to let us merge. This is all a play, a natak. Bhul chuk maaf kijye Sri Vaheguru!!

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I have always wondered what Guru Gobind Singh Ji did before he brought Amrit to us via the panj peyare.

I have read in a certain book that he performed a havan up in the mountain and took a pandit with him. Then Durga the shakti came and presented him with a sword which he brought down.

This pandit actually ran away and hid when Guru Gobind Singh Ji asked for his head.

Well anyone know more about this story or whether there is any truth in it ?

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Thankuji Jacfsing2 paji. I'm glad to see there are understanding people as yourselves.

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[a role to play, I mean to say, they are also under His Hukum. Nobody can dare to do anything if that is not His will.[/font]

To blame gods and others(kaal purukh, maya, mind for instance) for anything, is ridicule, because they also act as per the roles assigned to them, with the appropiate tools, so that they may perform their jobs adecuately.

Here in our world, when a boss emplyos someone, the employee can be not worthy in the long run, and turn out to be a fraud.

But in Wahiguru´s case, this can never ocurr. Not because of anything else, but because He is perfect, He knows beforehand what is going to happen, He is the Supreme director, He knows at all times what is going to happen next, because He planned so right from the microscopic levels to the Macro Cosmos levels and beyond, nothing is without His consentment. The actors have no choice, in wanting to be the main hero in the film, or not wanting to play the role of a vilain, or rich or poor...and so on

It is all per His will.

As the Bani says, to those whom He wants to call back to Him, He makes them do the right devotion; to others He keeps them confused with maya, karam khands, gods, etc..., so they keep wandering in the creation.

You see, if He wants the creation to go on running, there must be something to keep distracted the jeevas.

It is not that easy to have faith in Him, or love Him. That also is by His Hukum.

So whom to blame?

Rather we should feel pity for all who do not know the real value of Gurmat, because after all from our level, we do understand, they too are His jeevas, and we wished they too knew wht we know today, so that they may also finish their wandering as soon as possible.

So dear, who can go against His Hukum? Naturally nobody.

Sat Sree Akal.

Harsharan paji, one thing I don't understand is I know those spirits, deities, should not do anything that is not the hukam of God, but then there are people that go to those people(babas) that worship them and get bad experiences from them. So is that the play of the person (baba) or of the deities, spirits etc? Where is the line drawn? Also can a person (baba), as they are called, misuse the deities powers? And what happens if they do?

Agree with your comment of not being easy to have faith and love for Waheguru without their hukam, one may try very hard, but it will only happen with Gods grace.

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I have always wondered what Guru Gobind Singh Ji did before he brought Amrit to us via the panj peyare.

I have read in a certain book that he performed a havan up in the mountain and took a pandit with him. Then Durga the shakti came and presented him with a sword which he brought down.

This pandit actually ran away and hid when Guru Gobind Singh Ji asked for his head.

Well anyone know more about this story or whether there is any truth in it ?

There was Charan Amrit from the Guru Sahibs. The concept of Amrit was always there.

The Story you're referring to is a bit mixed up my friend. Guru Gobind Singh Ji was approached by a Pandit who said he could summon Durga for Guru Sahib to grant him victory in all Battles. Guru Sahib replied that The Ultimate Power (Akaal Purkh Ji) was already someone he bowed to for Victory and no one else. The Pandit insisted to do this Pooja so Guru Sahib let him conduct his ritual/Pooja.

Guru Sahib provided the Pandit with everything he needed for it, After many days Guru Sahib inquired why the Goddess still hadn't appeared. The Pandit thought he'd be smart and try a clever trick. He said that to summon the Goddess they had to sacrifice one of high birth, he was going to ask for one of the Sahibzade. Guru Sahib Ji simply smiled and said there was no one of higher birth than the Pandit, so let's sacrifice the Pandit.

Hearing these words the Pandit became distressed and Objected. but Guru Sahib assured him that once the Goddess appeared he'd simply ask her to bring him back to life.

The Pandit then started fearing for his life and fled. He told Guru Sahib that he was going for a bath and then left. Guru Sahib (being all knowing) let him flee and had his Sikhs put all the other items and other stuff (the ghee and you know other ritual related stuff) thrown into the Fire that was lit (as per tradition of all Hindu Pooja).

The flames produced were so big and it created such a massive spectacle People thought the Devi had come. Guru Sahib descended down onto the gathering masses (this was all taking place on a hill I should probably mention) and had his Sword out.

He proclaimed to people that the Sword before him was Durga who obliterated Tyrants, Chandi who drank the blood of her enemies, the destroyer of all Evil.

No Devi did appear, It was Guru Sahib once again showing us that sitting around and begging for other forces to assist us is pointless. We should Beg only Akaal Purkh and shouldn't be sitting idle by as Tyrants run rampant.

We as Sikhs should be fighting them in any shape and form we can.

I think I may have gotten some of the details mixed up but that's the main points of the story

-Pandit does Pooja, tries to summon a goddess

- tries foolishly to trick the 10th Master

- fails and flees

- Guru Sahib proves to us that we shouldn't be sitting around for someone else to vanquish our enemies, we should do it ourselves.

there was an excellent post by another user that told this story very beautifully. I'll try and find it for you.

Worshiping the Hindu Gods isn't same as worshiping Akaal Purkh. Gurbani made this clear and Guru Gobind Singh Ji (using the exact words of Waheguru thyself) further made the nature of these gods clear. Why they exist and what they are doing.

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Pyare Harsharan000 ji, I feel as if that line is flawed because when people worship and do jaap of 'spirits' the bhakti does indeed go to God Sri Vaheguru.

There is a long story in our dharm where it says that the character 'Ajamal' was a religious Brahmin who went offtrack in bhakti, and he started living a negative life full of paaps with a prostitute partner.

A group of sadhus who seemed to be partly antarjami realized how Ajamal went nastik, and felt bad for them and told him to name his next child 'Narayan' (Narayan is known as a form of Sri Vishnu in Sanatan Dharm, those people knew Sri Vishnu as Narayan).

By naming Ajamal's child Narayan, everyone who called upon Narayan(Ajamal's son) recieved punyas, because remembering or saying the name of God even once is recorded as a punya.

Now, my point was that if you worship a spirit who has the name of God, and you call it God, you indeed do recieve punyas by doing their name's jaap.

Such as how sanatan hindus do jaap of Sri Ram Raja as 'ram ram hare hare', they will recieve punyas because RAM is the name of God as well.

See what I am saying? Har, hare! Another point is we believe in Non-duality, meaning God and us are not different, Ik Onkar=there's only one, and we merge into that one when it chooses to let us merge. This is all a play, a natak. Bhul chuk maaf kijye Sri Vaheguru!!

Dear Preeet Jee,

I am sorry to disagree with your saying, that the line written by me above you find it flawing ....

Our brothers Kira Jee and Sikhni777 have provided quite a few quotations and Shabads from the Bani, where the true rank of these main gods like Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva is clearly stated.

I hate to discuss these issues, because it may seem to some, there is some type of ninda or disrespect to these gods ....

But it is also a fact that I have to be true to myself .

And one thing I will surely say, a lot of brahmanvadee is influencing us, thus we are going off track in Sikhee.

Thus we are mistaking simple traffic police officers as the Royal King ...which is not correct at all.

Jap Ji Sahib, clearly makes significant differences between these 3 main deities, and the only eternal Truth, One Supreme Wahiguru Akal PuruKh = IkOankar.

The following line gives us a small hint of the Infinite Wahiguru

ਆਦਿ ਅਨੀਲੁ ਅਨਾਦਿ ਅਨਾਹਤਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਏਕੋ ਵੇਸੁ

Aadh Aneel Anaadh Anaahath Jug Jug Eaeko Vaes

आदि अनीलु अनादि अनाहति जुगु जुगु एको वेसु

The Primal One, the Pure Light, without beginning, without end. Throughout all the ages, He is One and the Same

While referring to the 3 deities, it says:

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ

Eaekaa Maaee Jugath Viaaee Thin Chaelae Paravaan

एका माई जुगति विआई तिनि चेले परवाणु

The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities.

*In the above line, the divine mother is referred to Maya. If one wants to know about the beginning of the creation and Wahiguru/ Satnam, I would suggest to read the fantastic book of Bhagat Kabeer Sahib, titled Anurag Sagar, which can be found online from several authors, it is just to get an idea about Satnam, Naam, Shabad, gods, maya, kaal, mind , etc .

Then in the following line, their role in the mayavee creation is cleary described

ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ

Eik Sansaaree Eik Bhanddaaree Eik Laaeae Dheebaan

इकु संसारी इकु भंडारी इकु लाए दीबाणु

One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.

Then in the following line, Guru Jee tells us, that even after giving to each of them their particular duties to perform, they have no free will by themselves, but all of them three act under His Hukum.

ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ

Jiv This Bhaavai Thivai Chalaavai Jiv Hovai Furamaan

जिव तिसु भावै तिवै चलावै जिव होवै फुरमाणु

He makes things happen according to the Pleasure of His Will. Such is His Celestial Order

And still in the following line, Guru Jee clearly says, that even while having such high duties assigned by Him, the wonderful thing is, they know nothing about Him.

ਓਹੁ ਵੇਖੈ ਓਨਾ ਨਦਰਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਬਹੁਤਾ ਏਹੁ ਵਿਡਾਣੁ

Ouhu Vaekhai Ounaa Nadhar N Aavai Bahuthaa Eaehu Viddaan

ओहु वेखै ओना नदरि न आवै बहुता एहु विडाणु

He watches over all, but none see Him. How wonderful this is!.

* This is because, their abodes are very much within the limits of maya, only Wahiguru is beyond the region of Brahm, that is why He is called also Parbrham Parmeshwar

So dear all, nobody is denying their existence, but the fact is they all are just administrating the mayavee creation under His Hukum, they are in no way any substitute for Wahiguru.

Swarg, Baikunth, Shivpuri, is all within maya.

It would not be appropiate to say, that if I want to go to America from India, and I buy a ticket (offer devotion) which due to its cost(simran of words like Ram, Raheem, Krishna, Shiva and so on) can only take me to Afghanistan, or even then that just by buying that ticket and boarding the plane, I will reach America.

No. That will never be possible

The cost of the ticket going to America, is Naam or Shabad(Simran of the Gurmanter Wahiguru).

The Bani says: Nanak Naam Jahaz hae, jin chareeya seh utareeya paar.

Gurmat is much much higher, rather I would say the highest or the only path to the eternal Truth, Wahiguru.

In Gurmat, we may do Simran of Wahiguru, just as other dharmas do of their deities, but the difference between Gurmat and other other dharmas, including brahmanvadee lies in that, their simran takes them at most to the heights of Swarg or Baikunth for example, while with the gurmanter we reach the Shabad Guru within, with whose guidance and wisdom, we then cross the region of maya or Braham, thus reach Parbraham, and then direct to Sach Khand, at the Lotus Feet of Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Such is mahanta of Sikhee or Gurmat.

With the simran of lesser deities or trinity gods, we at most reach their abode, but never become one with them, because they are not the ultimate Reality.

While with the Gurmanter, we reach Sach Khand and merge in Him, and become Him.

That is why the bani says: Jevad aap, tevad Teree Daat. To those who meditate on Him, He gives Himself to them, nothing less, such a bountiful giver is Wahiguru.

I am sorry, if I have hurt anyone, but at least for me, none is comparable to our beloved Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

He alone, He is.

Sat Sree Akal.

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Dear Preeet Jee,

I am sorry to disagree with your saying, that the line written by me above you find it flawing ....

Our brothers Kira Jee and Sikhni777 have provided quite a few quotations and Shabads from the Bani, where the true rank of these main gods like Brahma, Vishnu or Shiva is clearly stated.

I hate to discuss these issues, because it may seem to some, there is some type of ninda or disrespect to these gods ....

But it is also a fact that I have to be true to myself .

And one thing I will surely say, a lot of brahmanvadee is influencing us, thus we are going off track in Sikhee.

Thus we are mistaking simple traffic police officers as the Royal King ...which is not correct at all.

Jap Ji Sahib, clearly makes significant differences between these 3 main deities, and the only eternal Truth, One Supreme Wahiguru Akal PuruKh = IkOankar.

The following line gives us a small hint of the Infinite Wahiguru

ਆਦਿ ਅਨੀਲੁ ਅਨਾਦਿ ਅਨਾਹਤਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਏਕੋ ਵੇਸੁ

Aadh Aneel Anaadh Anaahath Jug Jug Eaeko Vaes

आदि अनीलु अनादि अनाहति जुगु जुगु एको वेसु

The Primal One, the Pure Light, without beginning, without end. Throughout all the ages, He is One and the Same

While referring to the 3 deities, it says:

ਏਕਾ ਮਾਈ ਜੁਗਤਿ ਵਿਆਈ ਤਿਨਿ ਚੇਲੇ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ

Eaekaa Maaee Jugath Viaaee Thin Chaelae Paravaan

एका माई जुगति विआई तिनि चेले परवाणु

The One Divine Mother conceived and gave birth to the three deities.

*In the above line, the divine mother is referred to Maya. If one wants to know about the beginning of the creation and Wahiguru/ Satnam, I would suggest to read the fantastic book of Bhagat Kabeer Sahib, titled Anurag Sagar, which can be found online from several authors, it is just to get an idea about Satnam, Naam, Shabad, gods, maya, kaal, mind , etc .

Then in the following line, their role in the mayavee creation is cleary described

ਇਕੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਭੰਡਾਰੀ ਇਕੁ ਲਾਏ ਦੀਬਾਣੁ

Eik Sansaaree Eik Bhanddaaree Eik Laaeae Dheebaan

इकु संसारी इकु भंडारी इकु लाए दीबाणु

One, the Creator of the World; One, the Sustainer; and One, the Destroyer.

Then in the following line, Guru Jee tells us, that even after giving to each of them their particular duties to perform, they have no free will by themselves, but all of them three act under His Hukum.

ਜਿਵ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਤਿਵੈ ਚਲਾਵੈ ਜਿਵ ਹੋਵੈ ਫੁਰਮਾਣੁ

Jiv This Bhaavai Thivai Chalaavai Jiv Hovai Furamaan

जिव तिसु भावै तिवै चलावै जिव होवै फुरमाणु

He makes things happen according to the Pleasure of His Will. Such is His Celestial Order

And still in the following line, Guru Jee clearly says, that even while having such high duties assigned by Him, the wonderful thing is, they know nothing about Him.

ਓਹੁ ਵੇਖੈ ਓਨਾ ਨਦਰਿ ਨ ਆਵੈ ਬਹੁਤਾ ਏਹੁ ਵਿਡਾਣੁ

Ouhu Vaekhai Ounaa Nadhar N Aavai Bahuthaa Eaehu Viddaan

ओहु वेखै ओना नदरि न आवै बहुता एहु विडाणु

He watches over all, but none see Him. How wonderful this is!.

* This is because, their abodes are very much within the limits of maya, only Wahiguru is beyond the region of Brahm, that is why He is called also Parbrham Parmeshwar

So dear all, nobody is denying their existence, but the fact is they all are just administrating the mayavee creation under His Hukum, they are in no way any substitute for Wahiguru.

Swarg, Baikunth, Shivpuri, is all within maya.

It would not be appropiate to say, that if I want to go to America from India, and I buy a ticket (offer devotion) which due to its cost(simran of words like Ram, Raheem, Krishna, Shiva and so on) can only take me to Afghanistan, or even then that just by buying that ticket and boarding the plane, I will reach America.

No. That will never be possible

The cost of the ticket going to America, is Naam or Shabad(Simran of the Gurmanter Wahiguru).

The Bani says: Nanak Naam Jahaz hae, jin chareeya seh utareeya paar.

Gurmat is much much higher, rather I would say the highest or the only path to the eternal Truth, Wahiguru.

In Gurmat, we may do Simran of Wahiguru, just as other dharmas do of their deities, but the difference between Gurmat and other other dharmas, including brahmanvadee lies in that, their simran takes them at most to the heights of Swarg or Baikunth for example, while with the guramter we reach the Shabad Guru within, with whose guidance and wisdom, we cross the region of maya or Braham, thus reach Parbraham and then direct to Sach Khand, at the Lotus Feet of Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Such is mahanta of Sikhee or Gurmat.

With the simran of lesser deities or trinity gods, we at most reach their abode, but never become one with them, because they are not the ultimate Reality.

While with the Gurmanter, we reach Sach Khand and merge in Him, and become Him. That is why the bani says: Jevad aap, tevad Teree Daat. To those who meditate on Him, He gives Himself to them, nothing less, such a bountiful giver is Wahiguru.

I am sorry, if I have hurt anyone, but at least for me, none is comparable to our beloved Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

He alone, He is.

Sat Sree Akal.

Guru Gobind Singh Ji beautifully wrote in Chaupai Sahib.

ta ko kar pahn anumant maha moorh kcho bhaid na jant mahadaiv ko keht sda siv nirankar ka chint neh bhiv. (16)
The fools consider Him a stone, for He does not know the Profound Mysterym that is God. He calls Shiva, The Eternal Lord, and does not know the secret of the Formless Lord. (16)
I apologize for the lack of Gurmukhi.
Guru Sahib also mentions in the Pure Bani of Japji Sahib about the various Realms. One such realm is the Realm of Gyan (or Spiritual Knowledge). The Pauri Beautifully illustrates how these powerful beings are still bound Maya, that Brahma,Vishnu,Shiva. There are countless numbers of them.

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But then Guru Sahib goes on and describes those who are fortunate enough to be blessed with the name.

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If we're to go by the order of the Realms, Karam Khand where the Devotees of the Lord reside, is far closer and far higher up than Gods and Goddesses.
To a Sikh they should be of no importance.
Regarding your Pauri about the one divine mother. I hadn't heard that interpretation of that, that actually has helped me understand some things I was struggling with. Mine has always been that The Divine Mother is referring to Akaal Purkh and the giving of the birth is referring to 3 of his countless aspects. The 3 most people seem to stress over. Creation, Sustaining and Destroying.
That was beautifully written.
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