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Yes I am. Now if you'll excuse me if I'm off to officiate over the wedding of two gay Singhs...

Stop being a fool. I have no patience for lily-livered left-wingers and their blinkered views on the world. However, some of you on this site aren't shy of the kind of fascism that rears its ugly head when people's heads are turned the other way. Who are you to decree who is important or not? Who are you to affix value and importance to a human life that doesn't share the same values or experience as you?

If it's not what you said, then next time make your point clearer, because that's exactly how it seemed.

I didn't say the rules:rehat pyari mujhko sikh pyara nahi

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I didn't say the rules:rehat pyari mujhko sikh pyara nahi

Unfortunately for you, rehat won't be able to paper over the huge chasms in your character and your lack of soul. Unless you believe Dasme Paatshah is short-sighted enough to surround himself with Sikhs who look the part but have blackness where they should have souls. Is that what you're trying to say about Dasme Paatshah? That he's not the King of Kings, but just a normal man who can't tell the difference between a truly rehatvaan Sikh (inside AND out) and a Sikh playing at being pious on account of what's on the surface? Is that what you're saying? Then you really don't think much of Guru Sahib, do you, if you think he can be easily hoodwinked by the likes of you.

Thankfully, he's a lot smarter than that.

Oh, BTW, before a devious Singh like you tries to twist my words I should make it clear that I am PRO-arranged (not forced) marriages AND I'm PRO-Anand Karaj between Sikhs ONLY. I'd go as far to say Anand Karaj should be for Gursikhs only, but I haven't given that line of thought much consideration at the moment. It might certainly be a way of stopping people making a mockery of the whole sacred process. But it also might push good, simple people from our background who aren't Gursikh yet equally aren't the kind who think of Sikhi as a joke into the arms of Christians and Muslims who want converts.

The difference between you and me is that I don't think people are lesser human beings or aren't worthy to be alive because of the choices they make. Anyway, it's too early for this nonsense.

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Unfortunately for you, rehat won't be able to paper over the huge chasms in your character and your lack of soul. Unless you believe Dasme Paatshah is short-sighted enough to surround himself with Sikhs who look the part but have blackness where they should have souls. Is that what you're trying to say about Dasme Paatshah? That he's not the King of Kings, but just a normal man who can't tell the difference between a truly rehatvaan Sikh (inside AND out) and a Sikh playing at being pious on account of what's on the surface? Is that what you're saying? Then you really don't think much of Guru Sahib, do you, if you think he can be easily hoodwinked by the likes of you.

Thankfully, he's a lot smarter than that.

Oh, BTW, before a devious Singh like you tries to twist my words I should make it clear that I am PRO-arranged (not forced) marriages AND I'm PRO-Anand Karaj between Sikhs ONLY. I'd go as far to say Anand Karaj should be for Gursikhs only, but I haven't given that line of thought much consideration at the moment. It might certainly be a way of stopping people making a mockery of the whole sacred process. But it also might push good, simple people from our background who aren't Gursikh yet equally aren't the kind who think of Sikhi as a joke into the arms of Christians and Muslims who want converts.

The difference between you and me is that I don't think people are lesser human beings or aren't worthy to be alive because of the choices they make. Anyway, it's too early for this nonsense.

I never said non-Sikhs were less than Sikhs: Guru Sahib became a shaheed in his 9th form for non-Sikhs rights to practice their faith, I don't know why you take words out of mouth that I never said.

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I never said non-Sikhs were less than Sikhs: Guru Sahib became a shaheed in his 9th form for non-Sikhs rights to practice their faith, I don't know why you take words out of mouth that I never said.

That's fine. Your "not important" line made it seem you were prioritising someone's worth. Don't get me wrong, I get annoyed by the kind of people who do the things you said, but I don't consider them lesser beings or anything like that. Just different to me. Not better or worse or inferior, just different.

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That's fine. Your "not important" line made it seem you were prioritising someone's worth. Don't get me wrong, I get annoyed by the kind of people who do the things you said, but I don't consider them lesser beings or anything like that. Just different to me. Not better or worse or inferior, just different.

At least you understand what I mean.

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When I've spoken to people about this i put it down to 'house rules'. The anand karaj ceremony is in a par with our baptism , birth, and death 'ceremonies' (forgive me can't think of a better word). So they are events for 'sikhs' to participate in . Now clearly we can debate what is a Sikh, but on a simple level it's believing that what our guru ji says is the truth and accepting it as such. Next time you get some 'liberal' (hate using that term, but really mean wants to twist Sikhi to suit themselves and not the guru) questioning about the rules ask them if they would go to a 'work event ' dressed in inappropriate clothing,acting foolishly or openly brag about how good a 'competitor' is . They will say they wouldn't and you know why? They 'respect' and 'obey' the bosses who pay them , but they don't respect or obey the 'one' who gave them everything. Likewise if they were offered a knighthood, an obe or some other 'empire' suck up, they would follow the rules and codes of conduct  at Buckingham palace as they perceive it as benefitting their world view. 

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22 hours ago, Sukhvirk76 said:

Isn't that soorma Singh in the Picture? 

nah Soorma SIngh has more beard ...

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8 hours ago, imhosingh said:

When I've spoken to people about this i put it down to 'house rules'. The anand karaj ceremony is in a par with our baptism , birth, and death 'ceremonies' (forgive me can't think of a better word). So they are events for 'sikhs' to participate in . Now clearly we can debate what is a Sikh, but on a simple level it's believing that what our guru ji says is the truth and accepting it as such. Next time you get some 'liberal' (hate using that term, but really mean wants to twist Sikhi to suit themselves and not the guru) questioning about the rules ask them if they would go to a 'work event ' dressed in inappropriate clothing,acting foolishly or openly brag about how good a 'competitor' is . They will say they wouldn't and you know why? They 'respect' and 'obey' the bosses who pay them , but they don't respect or obey the 'one' who gave them everything. Likewise if they were offered a knighthood, an obe or some other 'empire' suck up, they would follow the rules and codes of conduct  at Buckingham palace as they perceive it as benefitting their world view. 

'rites of passage' is the term, we only have four . 

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8 hours ago, imhosingh said:

When I've spoken to people about this i put it down to 'house rules'. The anand karaj ceremony is in a par with our baptism , birth, and death 'ceremonies' (forgive me can't think of a better word). So they are events for 'sikhs' to participate in . Now clearly we can debate what is a Sikh, but on a simple level it's believing that what our guru ji says is the truth and accepting it as such. Next time you get some 'liberal' (hate using that term, but really mean wants to twist Sikhi to suit themselves and not the guru) questioning about the rules ask them if they would go to a 'work event ' dressed in inappropriate clothing,acting foolishly or openly brag about how good a 'competitor' is . They will say they wouldn't and you know why? They 'respect' and 'obey' the bosses who pay them , but they don't respect or obey the 'one' who gave them everything. Likewise if they were offered a knighthood, an obe or some other 'empire' suck up, they would follow the rules and codes of conduct  at Buckingham palace as they perceive it as benefitting their world view. 

It was more simple in the past when only Amritdharis could get an Anand Karaj. (Sehajdharis and Keshdharis would only be allowed a Hindu wedding). I highly doubt we will go back to the era when Sikhs actually agreed on one Maryada: but now we got people who don't have Kesh and drunkards having Anand Karaj, which our true history was always against.

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On 20/04/2017 at 0:51 AM, Sukhvirk76 said:

Isn't that soorma Singh in the Picture? 

I'm proud of that couple.

May God bless them with a long and happy marriage.

Respect to the bride for not being a racist and by virtue of their Anand Karaj ensuring her husband is a new Sikh so that their children will be Sikhs too.

The husband is clearly of West Indian background and those folks are natural born Sikhs given that Sikhi alone opposes slavery unlike Christianity and Islam which both condone it.

Globally: 99.7% are non-Sikhs

India: 98.4% are non-Sikhs

Canada: 98.5% are non-Sikhs

UK: 99.4% are non-Sikhs

USA: 99.9% are non-Sikhs 

So is it logical to expect all within our community to marry only those whose parents are both Sikhs? By excluding some sincere couples from partaking in an Anand Karaj to enable their non-Abrahamic non-proselytising new spouses to become new Sikhs, it will only become the fastest way to demographic oblivion for the Sikh Diaspora (by effectively excluding the future children of all such couples from the Sikh Panth). 

We need to think do we encourage people towards Sikhi or drive them away (to our Panth's long term detriment)?

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