Bhagat Ramanand Ji In Guru Granth Sahib

[singhnijjar]

waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji Ki fateh

Can any one please clear my doubts

In dasam granth Guru Gobind Singh ji saying

ਪੁਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਕੋ ਕਰਾ ॥ ਭੇਸ ਬੈਰਾਗੀ ਕੋ ਜਿਨਿ ਧਰਾ ॥

ਕੰਠੀ ਕੰਠਿ ਕਾਠ ਕੀ ਡਾਰੀ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਨ ਕਛੂ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ ॥੨੫॥

ਭਾਵ ਕੀ ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਕਿ੍ਰਆ ਕੁਛ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ।

Then there's is bani of Bhagat Ramanand JI in dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥ ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥ ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥ ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥ ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥ ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥ ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

If I'm not mistaken is guru gobind Singh Maharaj talking about same Bhagat ramanand ji in Guru Granth Sahib or some one eles

[Singhstah]

waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji Ki fateh

Can any one please clear my doubts

In dasam granth Guru Gobind Singh ji saying

ਪੁਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਕੋ ਕਰਾ ॥ ਭੇਸ ਬੈਰਾਗੀ ਕੋ ਜਿਨਿ ਧਰਾ ॥

ਕੰਠੀ ਕੰਠਿ ਕਾਠ ਕੀ ਡਾਰੀ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਆ ਨ ਕਛੂ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ ॥੨੫॥

ਭਾਵ ਕੀ ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਨੇ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਕਿ੍ਰਆ ਕੁਛ ਨ ਬਿਚਾਰੀ।

Then there's is bani of Bhagat Ramanand JI in dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥ ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥ ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥ ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥ ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥ ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥ ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

If I'm not mistaken is guru gobind Singh Maharaj talking about same Bhagat ramanand ji in Guru Granth Sahib or some one eles

The section in Sri Dasam Granth that you are quoting from is the part where Vaheguroo is talking about the various sadhus, religious leaders, prophets, etc. that were on earth prior to Satguru Nanak manifesting in human form. It is written in chronological order, with each prophet/saint being mentioned in the order that they came to Earth. It is impossible for the Ramanand mentioned in Sri Dasam Granth to be the same blessed Bhagat Ramanand Jee whose bani is in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee as the Ramanand in this passage appears BEFORE Islam's prophet Muhammed. Muhammed was born in 570 CE while our Bhagat Ramanand Jee was born in the 14th Century, long after Muhammed's death. The Ramanand talked about here in Dasam Granth is definitely someone different.

[singhnijjar]

The section in Sri Dasam Granth that you are quoting from is the part where Vaheguroo is talking about the various sadhus, religious leaders, prophets, etc. that were on earth prior to Satguru Nanak manifesting in human form. It is written in chronological order, with each prophet/saint being mentioned in the order that they came to Earth. It is impossible for the Ramanand mentioned in Sri Dasam Granth to be the same blessed Bhagat Ramanand Jee whose bani is in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee as the Ramanand in this passage appears BEFORE Islam's prophet Muhammed. Muhammed was born in 570 CE while our Bhagat Ramanand Jee was born in the 14th Century, long after Muhammed's death. The Ramanand talked about here in Dasam Granth is definitely someone different.

Thanks that's what I thought it has to be some diffrent ramanand not the Bhagat Ramanand Ji in Guru Granth Sahib

[sukhjit1983]

It can't be the same bhagat ji

Maybe someone can explain in detail who guru ji talking about

[N30S1NGH]

I am assuming its same ramanand ji, Sri dasam granth sahib ji take on ramanand ji should be taken from Absolute reality not from relative reality as it means to be uphold absolute reality (One non dual reality-Ikongkar reality) over relative realities.. Relative realities or sargun realities in form of avtars, bhagats are heavily downplayed in sri dasam granth sahib, significance of these relative realities or pointers is totally been destroyed to uphold Absolute Truth where there are no distinctions- It's only - ONE NON DUAL TRUTH- IKONGKAR- ONE IN ALL, ALL IN ONE. This is also done to raise the surti of seekers from form (Sargun) to Formless(Nirgun)

One of scholars of facebook puts this way to properly reconcile stance so there is no confusion:

Yes, it is from Dasam Patshah and its from the perspective of transcendence, from Awareness/consciousness/the Absolute, where all that is manifest belongs to prakrti. Don't treat paramarthic khandans as vyavaharic khandans. You may not be aware that you're doing this because these things may be new to you but we in the puratan world are familiar with such context- specific khandans. They're everywhere in indic' texts. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji is simply writing in this spirit.