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A Chosen Race, Religion, Custom Or Identity?

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The Dasam Granth states: 'Humanity is one, although in appearance it differs.' This is in direct contrast to the notion that humanity is one, but some portions of it is more superior than others due to certain beliefs and principles which it holds. Here is an example, the Koran states: 'the only religion acceptable to Allah is Islam...' We see a similar case with other religions as well. The basic crux of such ideologues are based on the notion that it is entirely feasible, and pragmatically possible to achieve an Utopia, which we now know is nothing more than sheer imbecility. What are some counter arguments which can be used against this jaundiced view of selected nation/faith etc?

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The Dasam Granth states: 'Humanity is one, although in appearance it differs.' This is in direct contrast to the notion that humanity is one, but some portions of it is more superior than others due to certain beliefs and principles which it holds. Here is an example, the Koran states: 'the only religion acceptable to Allah is Islam...' We see a similar case with other religions as well. The basic crux of such ideologues are based on the notion that it is entirely feasible, and pragmatically possible to achieve an Utopia, which we now know is nothing more than sheer imbecility. What are some counter arguments which can be used against this jaundiced view of selected nation/faith etc?

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All the Abrahamic religions really are based on this, all of them thinking they are the chosen ones, however Christianity and Islam differ alittle from Judaism as they rely on conversion where as Jews reproduce Jews by multiplication of the nation.

I can't think of an argument for this, however the ancient alien theory is really interesting which may lead to ancient people thinking that they were the chosen ones in order for "Gods" and "Goddesses" to come down and progress their living standard and even their DNA by sexual reproduction, as the Book of Enoch States, how the fallen angels slept with the daughters of man. In the same way, malevolent and benevolent extra terrestrials could may have sown this seed of thought....maybe?

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The Dasam Granth states: 'Humanity is one, although in appearance it differs.' This is in direct contrast to the notion that humanity is one, but some portions of it is more superior than others due to certain beliefs and principles which it holds. Here is an example, the Koran states: 'the only religion acceptable to Allah is Islam...' We see a similar case with other religions as well. The basic crux of such ideologues are based on the notion that it is entirely feasible, and pragmatically possible to achieve an Utopia, which we now know is nothing more than sheer imbecility. What are some counter arguments which can be used against this jaundiced view of selected nation/faith etc?

those religions(Abrahmic and Hinduism-Caste) will die out by the next generation, thanks to people like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, the Quran and the Bible themselves. I wouldn't worry too much, with at least 20% of Christians every generation leaving their "pakhandi baba", Muslims leaving their "pakhandi baba", (the only reason the Muslim population is increasing is due to birth rates, not conversions) and Judaism will die out due to interfaith marriages. Hinduism is already not practiced in it's truest form.

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those religions(Abrahmic and Hinduism-Caste) will die out by the next generation, thanks to people like Richard Dawkins, Sam Harris, the Quran and the Bible themselves. I wouldn't worry too much, with at least 20% of Christians every generation leaving their "pakhandi baba", Muslims leaving their "pakhandi baba", (the only reason the Muslim population is increasing is due to birth rates, not conversions) and Judaism will die out due to interfaith marriages. Hinduism is already not practiced in it's truest form.

What about the caste issues in our kaum? What about inter-faith marriages? What about gender selection in punjab? We are the ones dieing out right now ! :(

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What about the caste issues in our kaum? What about inter-faith marriages? What about gender selection in punjab? We are the ones dieing out right now ! :(

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Yea good point. We ain't the most progressive kaum at the mo especially when panjanb is addicted to all you stated above and pakandi babeh, alcohol and drugs.

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What about the caste issues in our kaum? What about inter-faith marriages? What about gender selection in punjab? We are the ones dieing out right now ! :(

There is a problem, no doubt, but it's different if the head of the religion(Guru Sahib) says something over the small people,(everyday Sikhs)

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FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS

NAM JAPO, NAM JAPO, NAM JAPO

AMRIT CHAKO, REHIT RAKHO, BANI KANT KARO, SHASTARDHARI HOVO te TRAINING KARO

ITIHAAS te SAKIAN PARDO ,SABAK SIKHO

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what do you mean?

What I mean by that is if a "holy man"- leaders of religions does something negative they make an impact more than what average followers do. An example would be the 3HO baba: Yogi Bhajan, he was notorious for various sex scandals and as such we(non-3HO Sikhs) can really understand that this is a corrupt group. For another example would be the Catholic Church: the pope was responsible for the Crusades as well as various sex scandals. Because Guru Sahib is perfect, we don't have Atheists who try to finish our Dharam like they try to finish Christianity and Islam.

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What I mean by that is if a "holy man"- leaders of religions does something negative they make an impact more than what average followers do. An example would be the 3HO baba: Yogi Bhajan, he was notorious for various sex scandals and as such we(non-3HO Sikhs) can really understand that this is a corrupt group. For another example would be the Catholic Church: the pope was responsible for the Crusades as well as various sex scandals. Because Guru Sahib is perfect, we don't have Atheists who try to finish our Dharam like they try to finish Christianity and Islam.

what about punjabis who say they are sikh, but they dont follow it?

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what about punjabis who say they are sikh, but they dont follow it?

It's still better than being a non-Sikh, the non-Sikhs have declared Crusades, slavery, genocide, massacres, Jihads, prostitution, etc. It's better to be a liberal Sikh than it is to follow a pakhandi baba.(jesus,muhammad, etc.)
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It's still better than being a non-Sikh, the non-Sikhs have declared Crusades, slavery, genocide, massacres, Jihads, prostitution, etc. It's better to be a liberal Sikh than it is to follow a pakhandi baba.(jesus,muhammad, etc.)

i agree with parts of what you say but to be better we need to eradicate the drinking, eating meat and greed.

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I am sure that we are all mature adults here, so can we leave aside the trivialities and get back on track?

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I am sure that we are all mature adults here, so can we leave aside the trivialities and get back on track?

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Veer ji, have you came across the ancient alien theory?

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I am sure that we are all mature adults here, so can we leave aside the trivialities and get back on track?

To be serious, I would really recommend the video with Bhai Jugraj Singh debating with Dawah Man, it really would allow you to debate seriously with someone who believes they are God's chosen(Muslim). The only reason Dawah Man didn't become Sikh is because of his mental disability.http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=IlAJosw3Q3o The proof that Dawah Man has a mental disorder can be seen in this video.http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5Jx_7kkuJfI Edited by Jacfsing2

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To be serious, I would really recommend the video with Bhai Jugraj Singh debating with Dawah Man, it really would allow you to debate seriously with someone who believes they are God's chosen(Muslim). The only reason Dawah Man didn't become Sikh is because of his mental disability.http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=IlAJosw3Q3o The proof that Dawah Man has a mental disorder can be seen in this video.http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5Jx_7kkuJfI

Isn't Dawah man the guy who tried annihilating Eminem with some immature rap?

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