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Guru Ji is outside caste and has no caste. Guru Ji is Guru Ji simple as that.

Yet in Gurbani, the Guru's have identified their caste, and also the bhagats have identified their castes as well.

Can you tell us where Guru Ji (the body) has said they are outside caste?

without turning it into a slanging match?

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Yet in Gurbani, the Guru's have identified their caste, and also the bhagats have identified their castes as well.

Can you tell us where Guru Ji (the body) has said they are outside caste?

without turning it into a slanging match?

Veer Ji, VJKK VJKF, Please can you provide what caste Guru Ji says they are in, because since Guru Ji and Vaheguru Ji are one and the same and Vaheguru is casteless then so is Guru Ji. What caste would you give Shabad Guru?

This is the nearest Shabad I found:

Pauree:
The kings, emperors, rulers, lords, nobles and chiefs, are all created by the Lord.
Whatever the Lord causes them to do, they do; they are all beggars, dependent on the Lord.
Such is God, the Lord of all; He is on the True Guru's side. All castes and social classes, the four sources of creation, and the whole universe are slaves of the True Guru; God makes them work for Him.
See the glorious greatness of serving the Lord, O Saints of the Lord; He has conquered and driven all the enemies and evil-doers out of the body-village.
The Lord, Har, Har, is Merciful to His humble devotees; granting His Grace, the Lord Himself protects and preserves them. ||6|| (SRI GURU AMARDAS JI MAHARAJ)
Bhul Chuk Maaf, VJKK VJKF

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Guest Tajinder Singh

This is an obvious question but think once only our gurus sacrificed there lifes for the people who were from other caste or religions they have strictly told us to think above the castism and not treat anyone one is not good for life because he is from low caste dnt follow those things

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Marrying into caste for me has noting to do with being proud or hierarchy but more so that temperaments are the same as are family discussions. Through experience find I gel better with people of the same caste as myself as I see synergies in personalities but do not look down upon others. In the west I suppose compatibility is more important than caste, but only after a number of generations. Maybe the tide is slowly changing, but in India and abroad majority of amritdhari's from all jathebandhies marry in same caste. Marrying outside caste as some do to prove a point is also counter productive.

We can never compare ourselves with Guru Sahibaan, so the original question is not a valid one.

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Ik aunkar satnam karta purakh nirbhau nirwair akal murat ajuni saibhang gur prasad.


p. After this, one from amongst the five beloved ones should explain to the initiates the discipline of the order : * Today you are reborn in the true Guru's household, ending the cycle of migration, and joined the Khalsa Panth (order). *Your spiritual father is now Guru Gobind Singh and spiritual mother, Mata Sahib Kaur. *Your place of birth is Kesgarh Sahib and your native place is Anandpur Sahib. You, being the sons of one father, are, inter-se yourselves and other baptised Sikhs, spiritual brothers. You have become the pure Khalsa, having renounced your previous lineage, professional background, calling (occupation), beliefs, that is, having given up all connections with your caste, descent, birth, country, religion, etc. You are to worship none except the One Timeless Being (Waheguru) no God, Goddess, incarnation or prophet. You are not to think of anyone except the ten Gurus and anything except their gospel as your saviour. You are supposed to know Gurmukhi (Punjabi alphabet). (If you do not, you must learn it). And recite, or listen in to the recitation of, the under mentioned scriptural compositions, the daily repetition of which is ordained, every day :(1) The Japuji Sahib, (2) The Jaap Sahib, (3) The Ten Sawayyas (Quartrains), beginning "sarawag sudh", (4) The Sodar Rahiras and the Sohila. Besides, you should read from or listen in to the recitation from the Guru Granth Sahib . Have, on your person, all the time, the five K's :



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Yet in Gurbani, the Guru's have identified their caste, and also the bhagats have identified their castes as well.

Can you tell us where Guru Ji (the body) has said they are outside caste?

without turning it into a slanging match?

We have to look at the question in hand and not bring our own caste views into the issue.

Mehtab made some valid comments on the 1st page with regards to how the guru's were identifiable by their higher castes and how they made their points and got them across by doing the taboo of sitting,eating, interacting with lower castes.

The impact they made was more huge and greater because they were from the higher castes. If they were the untouchables, then no one would have paid the slightest bit of attention.

However, using this as their base they tried to break down all these social barriers.

Was this enough for them to cause a shock to this already corrupt system or did they need to go further and join the untouchables in wedlock ?

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Veer Ji, VJKK VJKF, Please can you provide what caste Guru Ji says they are in, because since Guru Ji and Vaheguru Ji are one and the same and Vaheguru is casteless then so is Guru Ji. What caste would you give Shabad Guru?

Bhaji, i did say the body of the Guru, not the jyot. Go to sikhitothemax, and type in Sodhi/Bedi and see the references to the caste identification of the Gurus.

a for the shabd you posted, its simply saying that no caste is above Waheguru.

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Bhaji, i did say the body of the Guru, not the jyot. Go to sikhitothemax, and type in Sodhi/Bedi and see the references to the caste identification of the Gurus.

a for the shabd you posted, its simply saying that no caste is above Waheguru.

Sodhi and Bedi are clan names into which Guru Ji's Jyot came. I don't think they are castes. Maybe someone can confirm if they are castes, because I always thought caste was related to job. Such as: Jatt = farmer, Gumiyar = potter, Tarkhan = carpenter, Chumar = cobbler and so on.

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Sodhi and Bedi are clan names into which Guru Ji's Jyot came. I don't think they are castes. Maybe someone can confirm if they are castes, because I always thought caste was related to job. Such as: Jatt = farmer, Gumiyar = potter, Tarkhan = carpenter, Chumar = cobbler and so on.

All clan names are relative to castes.

However some clan names do overlap and can be assigned to more than one caste.

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WJKK WJKF

We should all take note on the recent history given in regards to Shiri guru nanak dev ji mahrajs visit to the Vatican and on meeting the pope how he did parchar that the blood which runs through humans is the same, what a revolutionary message given by baba ji at a time when the slave trade and class differences were rife all around the world, yet today we still miss the gian within the gian of the Shiri Guru Granth Sahib ji and attach supremacy and honour on something which has no bases in sikhi.

WJKK WJKF

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caste da ni rolah payidaa.

i'm jatt and i'm proud,, if you chumar be proud, if you lohar be proud, if you saniara be proud, if you tarkhan then pleas don't show off your car but if you s-ullah, then thhas different story..-cuz u betta watchout for my gadhaassah. :nono: :fight: oh balle...i love these cartoon.

Anyway, the guru's and everyone at those time married in tradition of same caste and all that.

We should maintain heritage and keep the family roots in caste but we should not be doing farakh with other jaaths.

thas why i have to ingrain it in my kids heads that they should be proud of being jattan de putt.

this way they should hopefully remain settled in same jaath.

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Sodhi and Bedi are clan names into which Guru Ji's Jyot came. I don't think they are castes. Maybe someone can confirm if they are castes, because I always thought caste was related to job. Such as: Jatt = farmer, Gumiyar = potter, Tarkhan = carpenter, Chumar = cobbler and so on.

Bedis and Khatris, they are part of the Kashitriya varna, this was their caste-occupation.

Bachitar natak will tell you more.

Good points made Shaheed Jatt, although I don't feel proud because Im a jat, but it is part of what i am.

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Bedis and Khatris, they are part of the Kashitriya varna, this was their caste-occupation.

Bachitar natak will tell you more.

Good points made Shaheed Jatt.

Yes, but Guru is Light of Vaheguru and NOT a body. There has never been Deh Dhari Gurus. Guru Nanak Dev Ji through to Guru Gobind Singh Ji was the shabad. Sikhi believes and always has believed in Shabad Guru. BANI GURU, GURU HAI BANI, VICH BANI AMRIT SARE. These Clans are into which Vaheguru decided that his jyot would come. Vaheguru's Jyot came into the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji who was Avtar in the Bedi CLAN. He had to come into a clan to spread his message, BUT it is His Shabad that is GURU NOT HIS BODY. This is why Guru Ji is separate from CASTE because GURU IS THE SHABAD AND THE JYOT OF VAHEGURU.

Do Bedis or Sodhis have a special connection to Guru Ji? and are Sodhi's or Bedi's above all others because of this connection? NO because GURU IS THE SHABAD. The Bodies that the SHABAD Guru was in married NOT based on caste but who Vaheguru chose for them. We must be clear in our minds that the GURU IS THE ETERNAL SHABAD AND JYOT OF VAHEGURU.

It feels that we are disrespecting Guru Ji when we link them to a caste. It just doesn't feel right.

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Yes, but Guru is Light of Vaheguru and NOT a body. There has never been Deh Dhari Gurus. Guru Nanak Dev Ji through to Guru Gobind Singh Ji was the shabad. Sikhi believes and always has believed in Shabad Guru. BANI GURU, GURU HAI BANI, VICH BANI AMRIT SARE. These Clans are into which Vaheguru decided that his jyot would come. Vaheguru's Jyot came into the body of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji who was Avtar in the Bedi CLAN. He had to come into a clan to spread his message, BUT it is His Shabad that is GURU NOT HIS BODY. This is why Guru Ji is separate from CASTE because GURU IS THE SHABAD AND THE JYOT OF VAHEGURU.

You don't beleive in the Guru Granth and Guru Panth?

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