New Ravidas Movement Dera Bhallan

[Guest Ek Moorak]

NY Singh -

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that is great news from New York & a bold statement & stand.

The link you posted is really Positive too from reading it I can see the relevance of Ambedkar too.

Bhagat Ravidas Ji were truly an inspirational & steadfast revolutionary. You can see, from reading Their ithaas, how Their experience correlates with Sikhi in raising the downtrodden, and standing up against injustice, and why their Bani is so venerably included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as an irrevocable testimony of Their love for Truth.

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Rab rakha

[Guest bally85]

This is not right at all. Sri Akhand Paath was used as a vehicle to hold a meeting about ravidassia census separating from Sikh community.

See poster posted on ravidassiatimes twitter feed.

https://twitter.com/ravidassiatimes/status/429014280873066496

Too late, they are already an independent community as of 2011, if they didn't have rights before - they certainly got rights now. Nothing you, I or anyone can do about it and really why should we? It is up to them what they believe.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/datablog/interactive/2012/dec/11/census-religion

[Guest LionessUk]

Please see below tweet. This is just one example:

pic.twitter.com/UQx0uvk0q0

Using Sri Akhand Paath as a vehicle for UK Census Meeting? Hypocrisy?

Getting people to attend Sri Akhand Paath at Gurdwara and telling them to split from Sikhi!

[Guest bally85]

Please see below tweet. This is just one example:

pic.twitter.com/UQx0uvk0q0

Using Sri Akhand Paath as a vehicle for UK Census Meeting? Hypocrisy?

Getting people to attend Sri Akhand Paath at Gurdwara and telling them to split from Sikhi!

OMG listen to what I said they have already established themselves as separate - OK so what are YOU going to do about it? You will get your head kicked in I'm sure, there is no negotiation when it comes to these people.

[Guest Guest]

Comparing Sikhs to the Taliban is not on also.

If some of the temples want to be seperate from our Sikh Chamar/Ramdasia community then they should not house the SGGS.

Having a UK census meeting by arranging a Sikh Sri Akhand Paath to get people in to the gurdwara what is that all about.

I am a Sikh but from the Ravidas community and I dont beleive in the Dera Bhallan or having the Amrit Bani to replace SGGS.

The SGGS and Sikhi should be respected not be labelled as terrorists!!

It is sad to see some people in the wider Sikh community not trying to help.

They are having an affect on our community for the worst. We are all educated and equal living in the UK, Guru Ravidas yes did champion our cause but we are much on an equal footing with everyone in the 21st Century!!!!

Twitter searches reveal pro Ravidaasia quoting SGGS!

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[Guest NYSingh]

OMG listen to what I said they have already established themselves as separate - OK so what are YOU going to do about it? You will get your head kicked in I'm sure, there is no negotiation when it comes to these people.

They haven't and wont in our Guru Ravidas Sikh Gurdwara in New York, America. The bigger picture is the impact on the wider Sikh community. There will be something done hopefully in a peaceful the truth always prevails! UK Gurdwaras are in a transition as all the current ceremonies, prayers, shabads are Sikh ones, the Amrit Bani is a book of guru Ravidas bani not like the living guru SGGS. The Amrit Bani wedding Lavan is exactly same format as our Sikh one is this right to do?

[Ranjeet01]

How is that Ravidassia feel empowered enough to separate but Hindus of lower caste are unable to separate from the Brahminical yoke without converting to either the two main abrahamic branches (i.e. Christianity or Islam)

[dashmesh1984]

its our fault for discriminating against them and not doing enough parchar....just imagine if all the lower castes embraced sikhi our population would skyrocket.

[cool water]

a groups of "high caste" punjabi hindus called "brahmin sena" has been infiltrating their ravidassia orgs and particular their social media using youtube vids, facebook profiles and pages to create hate for Sikhs so that ravidassian secterians and Sikhs fight each other.

This is old news but most sikhs been too busy wasting their lives way not defending their religion as usual until crap hits the fan then they wonder why didnt they wake up and get others to wake up too.

The ravidassian secterian extremists must be challenged not physically but ideologically their so called new religion. It needs to be dismantled clinically. It is easy to do because they do idol worship of statues of bhagat ravi das, they believe in castism by creating an exclusive caste orientated chamar religion, they will still be treated with contempt by most people chosing religious and caste separatism rather than staying in sikhism and being seen as equal sikh brothers and sisters. They dont have any wealth of heros or martyrs like Sikhs do, They dont have any clear concept of God or what their purpose of life is from these artificial created religion. There are so many holes in this ravidassian cult it wont take 10mins to chuck its 2009 created ideology in the bin.

[sikhiseeker]

a groups of "high caste" punjabi hindus called "brahmin sena" has been infiltrating their ravidassia orgs and particular their social media using youtube vids, facebook profiles and pages to create hate for Sikhs so that ravidassian secterians and Sikhs fight each other.

This is old news but most sikhs been too busy wasting their lives way not defending their religion as usual until crap hits the fan then they wonder why didnt they wake up and get others to wake up too.

The ravidassian secterian extremists must be challenged not physically but ideologically their so called new religion. It needs to be dismantled clinically. It is easy to do because they do idol worship of statues of bhagat ravi das, they believe in castism by creating an exclusive caste orientated chamar religion, they will still be treated with contempt by most people chosing religious and caste separatism rather than staying in sikhism and being seen as equal sikh brothers and sisters. They dont have any wealth of heros or martyrs like Sikhs do, They dont have any clear concept of God or what their purpose of life is from these artificial created religion. There are so many holes in this ravidassian cult it wont take 10mins to chuck its 2009 created ideology in the bin.

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Again, the sikh dharam is equal, but the people who claim to be sikh are far from it. Their is no unity in sikhi. At present it is caste based sikhs which in itself is a contradiction to the religion. These people have never been accepted due to caste issues and other castes claiming caste supremacy over sikhi. Hence why we still have terms like "chamar sikh", "mazabhi sikh" and "jatt sikh". All these terms should not exist once amrit is taken but they do. So I cannot see no brotherly/sisterly love between sikhs. They faced exclusion from so called sikhs and turned their back on sikhi, rather than the people claiming to be sikh. We should highlight the shortfalls within ourselves so we can talk and try to find a solution for the sustainability and progression of sikhi, rather than blame other people on infiltration of this community. The first people who pushed the domino for this domino effect to happen was the so called sikhs, due to their caste supremacy ideology damaging our Nirmal panth based on equality.

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