** Tom Watson Uk Member Of Parliament Reveals Biggest Secret: Britain Involved In 1984 Army Attack On Darbar Sahib

[dashmesh1984]

thanks for uploads wajinder singh ji

[MAJHAIL_JATT]

nothing is going to come of this... it's going to be hushed up. Some Sikh "leaders" will get their palms greased to quiet things down, UK government will divert the issue, and just wait it out until the heat dies off. Don't be surprised if something else big happens to divert attention away from this to make it backburner as possible.

[Singh, Mahan]

A poster from the website of Shromani Akali Dal Amritsar depicting whom the Shromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) sees the partners in the crime against Sikh Quom .

Source: http://www.akalidalamritsar.in/detail1.php?recordID=2097

[UKLondonSikh]

A poster from the website of Shromani Akali Dal Amritsar depicting whom the Shromani Akali Dal (Amritsar) sees the partners in the crime against Sikh Quom .

UKL = Paji i think that exposes why SAD (Amritsar) are not taken seriously and don't muster 1% of MLA's. By falsely accusing Talwandi, Longowal and Tohra of being complicit in the most anti-Sikh desecration of the 20th Century is a disgrace, when people on the ground and constituents of the aforementioned can see otherwise. Instead of SAD (Amritsar) accusing fellow Sikhs wose life actions for the Panth speak for themselves they should concentrate on what we can all unitedly now do 30 years later to get our Qaum out of the mess we are in since 1984.

lsingh, on 07 Feb 2014 - 20:50, said:

What are the next steps to take after the release of the report?

UKL = We the UK based Sikh Panth should unite and with a 500,000 plus voice demand reparations from the Treasury for the UK Government's complicity in the Genocide of Sikhs.

JasSinghKhalsa, on 07 Feb 2014 - 20:55, said:

WHAT Should Sikh organsations do to get Justice !!!

The answer is crystal clear Paji. The review etc isn't even good enough. We need a minimum of £100million plus reparations (in the form of international development funding by the UK Government) ploughed into community projects in Punjab for the upliftment of poor Sikhs suffering illiteracy, cancer, infanticide, social discrimination, drugs, alcohol (and the surviving victims of the Genocide against Sikhs launched by Indira Gandhi and her son Rajiv) etc ... given the then UK Government's assistance in the Genocide against Sikhs. The Sikh Council UK, Kesri Lehar, Sikhs for Justice, Sikh Federation UK etc need to join hands to actively and aggressively lobby for this £100million compensation by June 2014 to mark 30years and we can push them on that.

The Department for International Development regularly doles out billions overseas (around £9billion globally last year) so the Sikh Qaum should be able to secure this if we try and we effectively lobby for it with one united voice as this is common sense.

I do not advocate any fool burns the Union Jack as a way of getting our point across (as i suspect GOI will try defame us like that).

Should we not succeed in getting Cameron to commit £100million to help those suffering various problems in Punjab etc we can always play our own part in making 2014 a year of meaningful progression for our Panth to mark 30 years of hurt.

With the painful history of 1984 and the Genocide occurred and there's nothing we can do to turn back time now.

However, 30 years on what we youth in the West can certainly do is set ourselves aims and objectives as members of the Sikh Panth to hit the following targets for Panthic upliftment by combatting drugs, alcohol, biraderi, infanticide, illiteracy, cancer and poverty. All bakhre bakhre Gurdware must be merged as soon as possible.

UK Sangat to raise £30 million plus by June 2014

Canadian Sangat to C$30 million plus by June 2014

American Sangat to raise $30 million plus by June 2014

Other Diaspora Countries Sangat should target $10million plus by June 2014

India-based Sangat could arguably raise R300crores plus by June 2014

And with an eventual target of national Panj Pyaaray representatives from each country handing over their respective nation Sangat's cheques to the SGPC for firewalled projects for Panthic Upliftment in combatting drugs, alcohol, infanticide, biraderi, illiteracy, cancer and poverty and every penny of the funds presented to SGPC in June 2014 being watched over by auditors to confirm that Badal Dal cannot access, use or waste a single penny of the funds raised by Sangat, thereby transforming SGPC into a clean saanjha charitable vehicle for the Upliftment of the Poor and management of United Gurdwara's as it was always intended.

Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj must be translated into Tamil, Bengali, Oriya, Telugu etc, etc to get the Truth of what Sikhi represents out there further.

Rather than just remembering the past, we need to actively attack the current silent Genocide occuring via infanticide, drugs, cancer, illiteracy, biraderi and poverty.

Let's hear every forum members idea's on how we actually make this happen. Let's all contact Sikh organisations and us as Sangat try spread this agenda like a virus!

[WaljinderSingh]

Capt stumps Badal with Bluestar letter; CM unfazed
Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, February 11
The ongoing war of words between Punjab Chief Minister Parkash Singh Badal and former Chief Minister Capt Amarinder Singh took a curious turn today.

Amarinder released a letter purportedly written by Harchand Singh Longowal to RK Dhawan, a former personal secretary to then Prime Minister Indira Gandhi, a few weeks before Operation Bluestar.

Referring to the letter dated April 25, 1984, Amarinder asked Badal to make it clear whether he was individually involved in talks with the Union Government during the build-up to Operation Bluestar.

The letter says: “You know Gurcharn Singh’s (Tohra) life is in great danger, so I am writing to you. Jarnail Singh (Bhindranwale) is not going to give up and I strongly feel we have to do what we planned earlier and Parkash Singh Badal has already explained it to you in detail. Most Bhindranwale’s men will run away when they see the Army and most probably he, too, will.”

The Shiromani Akali Dal (SAD) has denied the charge that Badal had any secret meeting with Indira Gandhi before Operation Bluestar as suggested by Amarinder Singh.

Party spokesman said though Badal had met Indira Gandhi in Delhi, but it was several months before Operation Bluestar. Other Akali leaders were also present in that meeting, he said.

“The former Prime Minister was very brusque and the offended Akali leaders had left the meeting in a huff,” he said. Amarinder Singh said: “Let him (Badal) answer his involvement individually in talks with the Union Government, during those days. Assin baaki gallan baad vicch dassange (We will tell the remaining later)”.

“I have always maintained that Operation Bluestar was a wrong decision as was the killing of 35,000 innocent persons in Punjab during militancy,” said Amarinder Singh. He said Badal must explain on his alliance with the BJP in light of the fact that BJP leader LK Advani had met Indira Gandhi and sought military action in Punjab to crush militancy.

Advani mentioned this fact in his autobiography “My Country, My Life”, said Amarinder Singh. While Tohra and Longowal reached Amritsar when Operation Bluestar was launched, Badal did not have the courage to reach there. He went to Bazpur, Ganganagar, Badal village and finally arrived in Chandigarh on June 8 from where he was arrested two days later.

Refuting this, the SAD spokesman said Badal was at his village when he came to know through radio that Operation Bluestar had been launched in Amritsar.

“It was only after the government lifted the curfew for a few hours that Badal managed to sneak into Haryana on June 6. He reached Hisar and managed to reach Chandigarh on June 8, where he also addressed a press conference,” SAD spokesman said. Badal was arrested and taken to Bhopal in a BSF plane on June 10, along with Surjit Singh Barnala.

Once they reached Bhopal, they were separated and Badal was kept in solitary confinement till March 11, 1986. The spokesman also said it was wrong to say that Badal was lodged in jails for just five years.

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20140212/main3.htm

original letter -

[MAJHAIL_JATT]

hahaha they though Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale and Khalsa fauj would run away... what a bunch of rats.

[Cisco_Singh]

Unforunately the main Sikh organisations have failed to present a united front or come up with a comprehenive dynamic repsnse to the report. It should never have been in doubt that the UK governement would attempt a cover up. That was common sense it ws always going to be about denial of involvment and damage limitation for the government. That is why Cameron used words like "speed", "quickly", "get to the bottom of" etc. an internal enquiry by Jeremy Heyward was always going to be very limited in scope and designed to close this matter and brush it under the carpet ASAP.

Sikh Council Uk, Sikh Federation and the other jathebandis and organisations involved should have anticipated this in advance and already had a response and plan of action in place.

Speed is not important Sikhs have already waited 30 years, the full truth is what is important, for this to happen a full independant enquiry is needed. However part of the goverments inquiry was "to investgate why these documents were released" this translates to the fact they believe the documents should never have been released they have probably now taken steps to make sure no more damaging documents get released.

Once again the organisations that are supposed to be representing UK Sikhs have failed o provide a unified consistent approach to one of the biggest issues for the sangat.

[Singh, Mahan]

[Singh, Mahan]

1. Four letters sent to the Government of India by Akali Dal leaders . One letter is by Sant Harchand Singh Longewal on April 25, 1984; two letters are by Gurcharn Singh (Tohra ??) on January 30 anf February 22, 1984; and one letter is by Balwant Singh on June9, 1984.

Gurcharn Singh’s letters indicate that Dr. Chauhan in U.K and Ganga Singh Dhillon of USA have been won over (bought over). Letter by Balwant Singh to Indira Gandhi indicates that he thought the attack on Golden Temple to flush out Bhinderanwala was the right decision

Source: The Pehredar of February 13, 2014 page 4

http://216.15.194.90/dailypehredar/1322014/epaperimages/1322014/1322014-md-hr-4/231024390.jpg

2. A list of secret meetings of Akali leaders with Government of India before the Operation Bluestar (as according to and published in The Pehredar of February 13, 2014)

Source The Pehredar of February 13, 2014 page 4

http://216.15.194.90/dailypehredar/1322014/epaperimages/1322014/1322014-md-hr-4/231032625.jpg

[cool water]

Interesting debate on here, seems general brar seems disillusioned is still holding on the the false belief that indira gandhi had no corresponce with margret thatcher requesting her advice or assistance, we know now for a fact there was intelligence shared and deep collusion in the disastrous massacre of June 1984. Brar now wants the secret docs held by the RAW to be disclosed.

Brigadier khan shamefully as an Indian muslim seems quite smug and happy with his role in the attack on the sri harmandir sahib. He shows no signs of remorse but attempts to justify the attack.