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DSGj    339

Let us wind up for the time being and pay homage to our brothers and sisters who had to face aftermath of Indira gandhi assasination in 1984.

Oh, so now you want everyone to be together with ekta and stand side-by-side.

If only you and others had this kind of attitude 30 pages ago.

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N30S1NGH    2,987

After two days of repeated calls from dasamsarblohgranth and others to provide harpreet singh email address so that i can send him open letter to him. I am posting it here so may be he can read it and act upon it:

As singh of guru sahib,independent researcher who is studying/researching old traditional sikhi, sikh theology and as independent journalist I am writing to you to two main concerns as you do across as mini "authority" on sikh youth affairs world wide have quite a bit of influence on sikh youths because of sikh youth group kirtan worlwide under banner "AKJ'.
Here are two main concerns that we have recently found:
1. First thing, I have no personal issues with you you can endorse or beleif whatever you wish.
But since you own akj.org (direct authority of AKJ cyber space) which influence of lot of sikh youth. I ask you to kindly refrain from making authoritive statements against sri dasam granth and actual take up study on sri dasam granth (courses are provided online ioss universities)/ research more in your stance of sri dasam granth for following reasons:
a) this has become volatile divisive suitation/ issue among sikh abroad which is causing many debates turning youths into intimidation, fascist behavior
b) One needs instructor/teacher in sri dasam granth Since you are principle in school i m sure you can relate to it, if worldy subjects need a instructor to learn then so as sri dasam granth studies.
c) your position (as you are the owner of akj.org) directly contradicts direct official position of AKJ HQ that issue has to be addressed otherwise you falls under misrepresentation of akj in cyber space.
2. As independent cyber sikh journalist working with other cyber journalist and as concerned sikh and parent who watches sikh youth affairs very closely on facebook and forum we have found direct evidence in cyber space with real life proofs of sikh youths being radaclized by akj uk factions/tiger jatha uk groups that 'you' are close with in uk which inadvertently/advertently preaching/promoting indoctrine intolerance, intimidation, violence, judgement, demonization, self rightenouness mixed with ego/pride, aurenzeb type of shariamsim encouraged to sikh youths and affairs.
Our research as cyber sikh journalist are still in pending in completion, and so far we have gathered 8 cases, gathered numerous screenshots from facebook youths from your group as they associate them with akj, as they all seem to run as panthic youth police equilavent to sharia police of muslims, quote one dimensional thought process, black/white notions, quote their own group literature aggresively like jevoh witness type under your group banner and under "Sikh Answers" which is direct misrepresentation of Sikhism.
After our cyber research on cyber sikh youth fascism gets completed (which may take some time), we will hand our research over to sikh bodies- akj, sikh organizations and sri akaal takth jathedar along with many sikh parcharikhs who has reiterated extermism is growing problem in sikh disapoiora abroad. Please see his clip- //
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Your part in this which will be appreciated:
1. Come clean from sri dasam granth contversy, accept offical AKJ HQ position regarding sri dasam granth, accept sri dasam granth in samporan form.
2. You can join senior gursikhs intiative we just started on sikhsangat.com
Can chardi-kalah five singhs online - kulbir singh, ms514 singh, harpreet singh, amardeep singh (owner of gurmat veechar.com ) and jagraj singh (basic of sikhi) get together online- come up unity statement and advisory to encourage youths to rise above from group tribalism, cultism, fascism, tarakvaad, bickering, online intimidation-bullying, extreme views, radicalization ?
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humgareeb    30

Veerji, if there are concerns let's debate, question in a suitable civilised manner. There is no need to jump on the bandwagon on jatha bashing or slating others.

I personally have not read all of DG except those bania which are in ones nitnem (I am still trying to get through Dhan SGGS) or done enough research into history of DG therefore I won't get embroiled in any arguments of the same, and abide by the hukam of Sri akal takht.

I don't know who panthpreet Singh is, but if you can provide me with evidence of his anti - Gurmat behaviour I shall endeavour to try and ask someone at AKJ uk.

I do however remember seeing a video of ghagga on Harpreet Singhs fb wall which was saying people who read jaap sahib are worshipers of Krishna. Harpreet Singh comments condemned that video and also condemned panthpreet Singh if supported that.. I can't find it right now.

But IMHO we are fighting amongst ourselves when the really missionaries are laughing at us..

N30singh ji

When such a situation develops people will like to fish in troubled waters. I commend humgreeb ji for acknowledging that what is being said is a matter of concern.

But some dodgy characters will not do that.They will tell you nothing.mOderators should step in in such cases.

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N30S1NGH    2,987

Neo wasn't even able to go to his local Gurdwara and meet up and have love-filled Veechaar with Harpreet Singh face to face.

Dasam ji, if he is willing to work with open letter that i just posted. I actually will go see him but not at gurdwara but at his school he runs.

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DSGj    339

Dasam ji, if he is willing to work with open letter that i just posted. I actually will go see him but not at gurdwara but at his school he runs.

That is very fair, let's try and make it happen. I fully support this. This is the right approach to go and could have been implemented from page 1 of this conversation.

Anyways, we can't change what happend. Here we are at page 32, let us try and move forward in a progressive direction.

Let us see what Harpreet Singh says and we can go forward from there.

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GPS    1,310

Veerji, if there are concerns let's debate, question in a suitable civilised manner. There is no need to jump on the bandwagon on jatha bashing or slating others.

I personally have not read all of DG except those bania which are in ones nitnem (I am still trying to get through Dhan SGGS) or done enough research into history of DG therefore I won't get embroiled in any arguments of the same, and abide by the hukam of Sri akal takht.

I don't know who panthpreet Singh is, but if you can provide me with evidence of his anti - Gurmat behaviour I shall endeavour to try and ask someone at AKJ uk.

I do however remember seeing a video of ghagga on Harpreet Singhs fb wall which was saying people who read jaap sahib are worshipers of Krishna. Harpreet Singh comments condemned that video and also condemned panthpreet Singh if supported that.. I can't find it right now.

But IMHO we are fighting amongst ourselves when the really missionaries are laughing at us..

Humgtreeb ji

Is this post addressed to me?May i know the reason for that.

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DSGj    339

Worldly relations are secondary for me.My first and foremost relation is with my Guru.

You are a non believer in amrit of khalsa as i posted your comments here.What business you have to discuss such subjects.

I hope moderators take note of you violating guidelines of this forum.

Get out of here with your negativity. You are so annoying putting words in people's mouths, it's not even worth responding to you and 'proving' something to you. Who are you to say that I have no business to discuss such topics? Who are you to inhibit the human rights of others? You just like to be some type of bully and know-it-all. It's like you can never be wrong and are some perfect supreme being and that everyone has to go with your mentality. Lol...

You are the biggest violator of guidelines of this forum.

You don't even want a solution probably, all you want to do is keep running around in circles having people argue and break bridges. Right now you are no different than what the missionaries are doing (ie. utilizing divisive techniques).

Either post your relationship to Bhai Sahib/family or stop making those claims. Don't play games such as "you will find out soon", etc...

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GPS    1,310

Get out of here with your negativity. You are so annoying putting words in people's mouths, it's not even worth responding to you and 'proving' something to you. Who are you to say that I have no business to discuss such topics? Who are you to inhibit the human rights of others? You just like to be some type of bully and know-it-all. It's like you can never be wrong and are some perfect supreme being and that everyone has to go with your mentality. Lol...

You are the biggest violator of guidelines of this forum.

You don't even want a solution probably, all you want to do is keep running around in circles having people argue and break bridges. Right now you are no different than what the missionaries are doing (ie. utilizing divisive techniques).

Either post your relationship to Bhai Sahib/family or stop making those claims. Don't play games such as "you will find out soon", etc...

You are a non believer in concept of khalsa.You have written it and i have shown you.

You have no business to participate in such topics as you are a spoiler and is here to instigate

others so that they fight.

If you have a true identity tell us where you live.You know where we all live.Why are you hiding this?

And you are not going to get away for rubbishing granth of khalsa.This site ahs proved zero tolerance

for such akirtghans

A hidden missionary unmasked.

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Jonny101    4,072

I bet Kala Afghanists and Missionaries must be watching this thread while eating popcorns wondering how funny it is that their enemies on Sikh Sangat are turning against each another.

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GPS    1,310

I bet Kala Afghanists and Missionaries must be watching this thread while eating popcorns wondering how funny it is that their enemies on Sikh Sangat are turning against each another.

Yes.They are here among us also. They take advantage of such situations and participate in active discussions to add fuel to fire.

Earlier we had Uklondonsikh who was reported by admin with three identities. He is silent now.

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Mahakaal96    245

Nice try Johnny but everyone with eyes and a functioning brain can see what I wrote from my very first post and how there was a genuine mix up between people saying he did panj Seva when infact it was his dad who did it. What else is clear too see is you obviously are upset at this beadbi of Sikhi saroop and kakkar and the silence of AKJ uk on this matter being bought up. Cheer up Johnny, the panth doesn't just consist of AKJ uk or unless your mates with the porn star which would make sense

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GPS    1,310

Nice try Johnny but everyone with eyes and a functioning brain can see what I wrote from my very first post and how there was a genuine mix up between people saying he did panj Seva when infact it was his dad who did it. What else is clear too see is you obviously are upset at this beadbi of Sikhi saroop and kakkar and the silence of AKJ uk on this matter being bought up. Cheer up Johnny, the panth doesn't just consist of AKJ uk or unless your mates with the porn star which would make sense

Please rest that.

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Mahakaal96    245

He started with the personal insults. I posted what I had heard and highlighted the double standard of AKJ uk at staying quiet about their member bringing shame or Sikhi but making public statement in support of Dasam nindaks. When a Singh corrected me and told me it was his father who did Seva in panj and not him I expressed my relief and took his word as truth whilst saying an issue like this goes beyond jathas or group as it is a question of panj pyare at state. Furthermore I also went back sevarl days ago and changed my original post and removed he did Seva in panj pyare. After all that Johnny continued with his accusations when anyone able to read would see otherwise

I can see why some people are trying to divert the thread and are picking at something that was resolved and corrected several days ago, classic diversion and interruption tactics being employed.

Sorry to GPS & Neo who are doing great job confronting nindaks, I will not post on sidetracked issues anymore and let the thread continue as it should

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GPS    1,310

Again, you are putting words in my mouth.

You tell me your name and relationship with Bhai Sahib/family...I will fact check. You still have not given it. If you actually had relationship, you would not be afraid to give that information, because all of Bhai Sahib's family connections are known for the most part by most interior Singh's.

You are the real undercover anti-sikh element.

If you can't have anything positive going in this conversation, then get out of here.

Who are you to ask me such things.My reply was to someone who was criticizing bachitter natak quoting Bhai sahib Bhai randhir singh jio.

I wrote we have family ties with them and know that he was a nitnemi of bachitter natak. Did not you read that.

This was to prove him wrong. Then i also wrote that worldly relations are secondary to me and my primary relation is with my Guru.

Now let us know where you live? Your anti khalsa assertions will make you aware who is anti sikh agent here.

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