Guru Nanak sahib at Mecca

[Jonny101]

Sikhi is not about miracles and it shouldn't be advertised as such.

a sakhi is about the lesson and the point, not about the miracle.

Gurus could do riddi siddis, which are powers one can attain from intense meditation.

But Guruji condemns us from using these powers to perform shows and miracles.

You should know that clairvoyants, aura readers, hypnotists..etc.... ALL obtain their skills and powers by meditating. However, Guruji warns us NOT to go this way and instead use riddi siddi to MERGE with akaal purakh.

Bro, I agree with you. But we are not talking about Ridhi Sidhis. We are talking about the out right denial of miracles through out history which have even been mentioned in Gurbani and Vaars of Bhai Gurdas Ji. We cannot write them off or try to deny them because to deny those occurrences would be to deny the truthfulness of Gurbani.

[mohinder pal]

Real Meanings of Gurbani is knowly known to Akal Purakh, Satguru and Sant Maharpursh(who Did Kamai and Realized god in themselves). Everything is inside.....Nothing is outside

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.But Katha Vachaks and Parcharks like me who have not done any Kamali and Naam Jap start spreading wrong Parchar and Nindya of Sant Mahapursh(who have done Kamai).

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.THis Rasta(Path) is Very Bikhda(difficult) only few get thru it and their Names are in SGGSJI

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

But that's just the thing, even those famous scholars who have translated according to Viakaran i.e. Prof Sahib Singh, Giani Harbans Singh, Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh, Kartar Singh Dakha, Bhai Vir Singh Jee all have translated in support of the miracles mentioned in Gurbani. So I don't know which Viakaran Vidhvaan you are following.

Prof Sahib Singh translation I have read and it talks about the essence that is the miracle.

That is the miracle of sikhi, people who were dejected and deprived rose.

[mohinder pal]

SIKHI itself is miracle.......becuase Dasam Patshah Says " Karo Khalsa Panth Teesr Parvesa"

[Jonny101]

Prof Sahib Singh translation I have read and it talks about the essence that is the miracle.

That is the miracle of sikhi, people who were dejected and deprived rose.

Veerji I can't believe you deny it, Prof Sahib Singh Jee's translation mentions the Mandhir rotating around Bhagat Namdev Jee.

Here is the link:http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/pdf/1151-1175.pdf

go on Ang 1164 on the shabad that starts with "hast tere dehre aiya"

Prof jee translated the shabad as Bhagat Namdev Jee was kicked out of the Mandhir, he went to the back side and was in vairaag. To keep the laaj of His Bhagat, Vaheguru made the Mandhir rotate around Bhagat Namdev. I am not saying this, this is as per Prof Sahib Singh Jee.

Please be honest. Honesty is the greatest Shingaar of a Sikh.

[GPS]

Miracles are not caused.They do happen with God's will. Rotation of Mecca was not caused by guru sahib.It was God's act.

The problem with atheists is that they do not believe sikhi as a mystic path.

Now there is a slab erected since that time in memory of Guru sahib's visit and a place where Guru sahib had

dialogue with Peer behlol. He became Guru ji's disciple and did bhagti till his last breath where he had dialogue with Guru

ji. To turn him into a disciple was also a miracle.

The above is narrated by Swami anandmurthy in his famous poem " Song of swan bird" he passed by that place on foot on his way

to norway sometime in 1916 around.

Poblem with these missioanry cult is that they do not believe in existence of a soul. How can they believe in God. Their whole scholarship is fake.

[GPS]

Sikhi is a simple path.Without Naam simran there is no sikhi. But Gurdip johal ridicule Naam simran and say gurbani itself is naam simran.

I asked him what about those who cann't read gurbani? He does not answer to that.

[GPS]

Veerji I can't believe you deny it, Prof Sahib Singh Jee's translation mentions the Mandhir rotating around Bhagat Namdev Jee.

Here is the link:http://www.gurugranthdarpan.com/pdf/1151-1175.pdf

go on Ang 1164 on the shabad that starts with "hast tere dehre aiya"

Prof jee translated the shabad as Bhagat Namdev Jee was kicked out of the Mandhir, he went to the back side and was in vairaag. To keep the laaj of His Bhagat, Vaheguru made the Mandhir rotate around Bhagat Namdev. I am not saying this, this is as per Prof Sahib Singh Jee.

Please be honest. Honesty is the greatest Shingaar of a Sikh.

Bhai sahib, how can a person who does not believe in existence of soul can believe in God even. I asked a missionary does he believe in soul.He replied have you seen it. Then i asked him why do you believe in God since you do not see him.

These people do not believe in God but do not say it openly as they are scared.

[GPS]

They call sants as uneducated lot. They do not understand the difference between academic and spiritual education.

[GPS]

People here make miracles more prominent and important but when it comes to

Guru Granth Sahib GPS says what if one can not read and write.

Nobody says that miracles are more important.The point is they are not caused.They do happen with god's will.

My question is quite valid.There are many people who cann't read Guru Granth sahib. Are they debarred from god realization in sikhi? Pl let us know.