Guru Nanak sahib at Mecca

[sat]

if these guys did not say negative things about simran, sakhis and keertan they may get some support

regarding their political and social ideas for sikhs but i dont know that much about these people and to be quite honest i am not interested when they make negative comments about simran etc. Its funny how the old guys are saying we should not be focusing on the old but the young that makes me laugh so why dont they go home :biggrin2:. and the rest they are saying is a little ott . Seems they are looking at everything through human logic and education which is relevant to this world and mortals but not messengers of or waheguru ji.

They go on about how the snake who gave shade to Guru Nanak knew he was divine, this is manmukh thinking, i agree dont follow blindly but dont say something which has been told for hundreds of years in our homes about Guru ji is not true because you have an education!

[GPS]

These people themselves are 8 and ten graders.What science they will teach others. They may not be knowing how many types of energy is in human body for example chemical, electrical energy etc.

A human has three levels physical, mental and spiritual. They talk only upto mental i.e. level of mind. Since they know nothing about spiritual field they talk trash. The old man is supposed to be principal of so called manmukh ( Missionary) college Ludhiana.

[sat]

The problem is we have lazy bone idle people incharge who dont to any physical work, i mean Guru Nanak Sahib ji did farming right to the end of his time, telling us we should be living a honest clean and kirat life, when they have stomachs the size of baseballs and those are the people who dont follow Guru maharajs ideals.

[GPS]

Inder ghagha was a driver with Punjab electricity board.There he stole copper wires, was tried, convicted and jailed. Dismissed from service. Poverty was staring at him and he started doing katha in his village ghagha. He wanted to visit Canada and got link with jeonwala and for money he started name calling sikh traditions.

It is all on the net.

[sat]

The problem is not just the missionaries but they do have some strange views, its across the board, some sikhs do follow blindly everyone who proclaims to be a sant or gyani but thats just there sharda being exploited and that is the sad part, a lot will say nothing through fear of doing nindiya.

[tuhintuhin]

Guru Nanak Dev Ji metaphorically stopped the rock with his Panja. It's not meant to be taken literally.

Sarcasm :blush2:

Disagree....panja is there till now.........you can have darshans.........a musalman following Guru sahib.....everyday degh nu bhog lwaunda te parshad te panje da nishan hunda....when his child was born, he was outside somewhere and did degh parshad te panja na lageya.....he thought that child is not his and will kill him, then he heard voice that the it's his child, but he has to go near panja sahib to do that........and he did that......Giani Thakur Singh ji mentioned this in one of his katha.....

.....so these are the things that actually happened as Giani ji had learnt these from Damdami Taksal jathedars......and other mahapurkh like Sant Isher Singh i Rarha sahib, Sant Baba Ajit singh ji Hansaliwale, Sant baba Harnam Singh ji Rampurkherha and many more.......

[GPS]

Disagree....panja is there till now.........you can have darshans.........a musalman following Guru sahib.....everyday degh nu bhog lwaunda te parshad te panje da nishan hunda....when his child was born, he was outside somewhere and did degh parshad te panja na lageya.....he thought that child is not his and will kill him, then he heard voice that the it's his child, but he has to go near panja sahib to do that........and he did that......Giani Thakur Singh ji mentioned this in one of his katha.....

.....so these are the things that actually happened as Giani ji had learnt these from Damdami Taksal jathedars......and other mahapurkh like Sant Isher Singh i Rarha sahib, Sant Baba Ajit singh ji Hansaliwale, Sant baba Harnam Singh ji Rampurkherha and many more.......

MOD said he was joking.

[Koi]

What confuses me about these people who do shanka is that: Do they doubt the Samrathha of their Guru? Or are they continuously beating the drum of "We don't believe in miracles, we don't believe in miracles etc....."?

[SevadaarEKhalsa]

It is rather funny that was as Sikhs do not even know our basic history and are busy fighting amongst ourselves while the non Sikhs are taking full advantage of it. Christian population of Punjab tripled in a decade, dozens of empty mosques are functional again and many Sikhs are converting to other religions in the diaspore (Islam in Malaysia, UK, ...; Christianity in the US, Singapore, ...).

The fact that Guru Nanak Sahib visited Mecca can not be disputed simply because Guru Ji weren't Muslim. There wasn't a strict checking on non Muslims entering as western travellers such as RF Burton managed to enter Mecca even uptil the mid 19th century. Several Sikh sources like Vaaran Bhai Gurdas and Janamsakhis (altough hagiographical in nature, they do tend to have some correctness in the Udasi places mentioned) confirm the Gurus visit as well.

The fact of Guru Nanak Sahib rotating the Kaaba has been mentioned in older Arabic texts, influenced by which Sayid Prithpal Singh converted to Sikhi in 1930. His notes, which he took from those Arabic texts during his stay in Medina have been published recently by his son.

[GPS]

Then there is a plaque erected at Baghdad since that time.Mcleod disputes Guru sahib's visit to Mecca.Plaque at baghdad is second testimony to Guru sahib's visit. If you visit Iraq wearing a turban they call you Baba.They know we are from india. The problem with these missionaries is their knowledge is very limited as they are neither well read nor do naam di kamai.In order to influence simple folks they are busy destroying our roots.