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Hi Gurpreet.

Is this why you have little time to learn kirtan?

And who said Guru Ji made Rehat to be with 1 only? Can you prove that to me?

Dn ipru eyih n AwKIAin bhin iekTy hoie ]

They are not said to be husband and wife, who merely sit together.

eyk joiq duie mUrqI Dn ipru khIAY soie ]3]

They alone are called husband and wife, who have one light in two bodies. ||3|

Far as I can tell that doesn't say wives. Besides, I think it's a bit like adultery. You aren't pledgling yourself to one person who will go through life with you. Besides it says 2 bodies not 3 or 4. Would you be ok with a woman marrying lots of men?

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Everyone seems to agree that Mata Sahib Kaur's father asked for Guruji's hand in marriage but Guruji was already married by then .-- Correct.....AGREE ???

Now, we also seem to accept that Guruji had NO PHYSICAL relationship with Mata Sahib Kaur, but it was agreed that she can stay in Anandpur and within the household. This was since Guruji and his family regarded the ''Reject'' as an insult for the Unmarried Mata Sahib Kaur...... AGREE ???

Now, if we agree to this Mta Sahib Kaur story,then how do people make up that he already had 2 wives since this was the 'norm' for people in higher status ???

Why would he marry mata jiro and mata sundri, but then refuse a 3rd ?????

Hence, this is one reason why I believe the story of Mata Jito being the same as Mata Sundri ji.

And the ''couldn't have no children at first and had them later though'' reason doesn't make sense because Ajit Singh was the eldest and it was him that is disputed to not be a sakha blood brother of the other 3 ??

If you keep looking at the different accounts, like I did, then you may come to the assumption that my conclusion makes sense (well to me anyway) !!

Maybe you won't.

But listening to the kathas and statements by different learned beings is not much use either because they all have differing views, OR some will claim that Bhai or sant so and so said

so. This just creates further negative confusion.

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Gurpreetji, when you have made your OWN assumption from reading and listening to the different sources and references, then let me know what your conclusion is.

As I would be interested to see what you make of it yourself. This does take a few days and I would suggest some simran and ardas to ask Guruji for the answer !

If you meditate deep enough, the answer that Guruji wants you to have will come to you !!!

This answer would be the best one for you to help you in your spiritual development.

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Everyone seems to agree that Mata Sahib Kaur's father asked for Guruji's hand in marriage but Guruji was already married by then .-- Correct.....AGREE ???

Now, we also seem to accept that Guruji had NO PHYSICAL relationship with Mata Sahib Kaur, but it was agreed that she can stay in Anandpur and within the household. This was since Guruji and his family regarded the ''Reject'' as an insult for the Unmarried Mata Sahib Kaur...... AGREE ???

Now, if we agree to this Mta Sahib Kaur story,then how do people make up that he already had 2 wives since this was the 'norm' for people in higher status ???

Why would he marry mata jiro and mata sundri, but then refuse a 3rd ?????

Hence, this is one reason why I believe the story of Mata Jito being the same as Mata Sundri ji.

And the ''couldn't have no children at first and had them later though'' reason doesn't make sense because Ajit Singh was the eldest and it was him that is disputed to not be a sakha blood brother of the other 3 ??

If you keep looking at the different accounts, like I did, then you may come to the assumption that my conclusion makes sense (well to me anyway) !!

Maybe you won't.

But listening to the kathas and statements by different learned beings is not much use either because they all have differing views, OR some will claim that Bhai or sant so and so said

so. This just creates further negative confusion.

I also agree with your answer. Thats how I've always thought of it why would Guru Ji reject a third wife? Either or, it shouldn't change how we feel about Guru Sahib. He is our spiritual father and we shouldn't question his decisions.

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I also agree with your answer. Thats how I've always thought of it why would Guru Ji reject a third wife? Either or, it shouldn't change how we feel about Guru Sahib. He is our spiritual father and we shouldn't question his decisions.

Of course, but like I said above, - I think we all need our own answer to help our own spiritual development.

I have simply given the reason for mine, which came after studying and listening to many sources.

If you research, think and meditate about it, then you WILL get your own answer for your moment in time.

The answer will not make any of us a better Sikh BUT I proved in another post to Gurpreetji and others.- of How they will NOT accept a sikh like me having 2 or more wives.

This is what is important, that we KNOW how to be Sikh in our conduct.

This is one of those topics that always seems to pop up every now and again, but to have the '' I don't know!!!'' answer to a fellow muslim, like Gurpreetji said makes us look very weak and lost.

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Everyone seems to agree that Mata Sahib Kaur's father asked for Guruji's hand in marriage but Guruji was already married by then .-- Correct.....AGREE ???

Now, if we agree to this Mta Sahib Kaur story,then how do people make up that he already had 2 wives since this was the 'norm' for people in higher status ???

Why would he marry mata jiro and mata sundri, but then refuse a 3rd ?????

Hence, this is one reason why I believe the story of Mata Jito being the same as Mata Sundri ji.

veerji,daas first also used to think mata ajeet kaur ji and mata sundar kaur ji as one,but when daas went to anandpur sahib there somewhat outside city there was a gurudwara and that was the place where mata ajeet kaur ji was cremated ......... also there is a gurudwara sahib in delhi where mata sahib kaur ji and mata sundar kaur ji was cremated........so dass thinks being one personality thing is ruled out.....

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veerji,daas first also used to think mata ajeet kaur ji and mata sundar kaur ji as one,but when daas went to anandpur sahib there somewhat outside city there was a gurudwara and that was the place where mata ajeet kaur ji was cremated ......... also there is a gurudwara sahib in delhi where mata sahib kaur ji and mata sundar kaur ji was cremated........so dass thinks being one personality thing is ruled out.....

U r right.

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veerji,daas first also used to think mata ajeet kaur ji and mata sundar kaur ji as one,but when daas went to anandpur sahib there somewhat outside city there was a gurudwara and that was the place where mata ajeet kaur ji was cremated ......... also there is a gurudwara sahib in delhi where mata sahib kaur ji and mata sundar kaur ji was cremated........so dass thinks being one personality thing is ruled out.....

Yes, you are correct in this matter and I was waiting for someone to suggest this strong piece of evidence.

However, if you can research into the history, you will find it gets a little shady of exactly when and how the gurdwaras were built many years later.

Don't get me wrong a gurdwara is the door to gurusahib, no matter where it is located.

Therefore, if visiting on a pilgrimage then you should never omit one because you don't follow the claims behind it.

Note, that we also have this ongoing dispute with hemkunt sahib, since it has been located in 2 different geographical areas in this century.

Authorship and control over gurdwaras has never been in the full hands of Sikhs and this is where a lot of problems have arisen.

I'm not at all suggesting your claim is wrong but like I said earlier, for this moment in time find your own conclusion.

Mine was the same as yours for a long time and now I believe otherwise. But who knows, I may in the future go back and start believing the same as you !!

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Tomorrow if a Muslim peer comes to me n ask y ur Guru had 3 wives....

I should have an answer which can to given....

I never question him...I just want to know reason behind n I have firm believe in him... Coz I just luv Guruji....

From what I know Maharaj's first mehal (wife) Mata Jeeto Ji left for sachkhand at an early age. Mata Sundar Kahur Ji was his second wife. The Gurus practiced what they taught and one of their teachings was widow remarriage. Mata Sahib Kaur Ji is known as the unmarried bride of maharaj. She was aad-shakti personified. From Purataan times to the Singh Sabha-era maharaj was accepted as having two wives. I do not know when this three wives thing started but it has proved detrimental to the panth. Especially when fools like Humble the poet throw such accusations around.

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Yes, you are correct in this matter and I was waiting for someone to suggest this strong piece of evidence.

However, if you can research into the history, you will find it gets a little shady of exactly when and how the gurdwaras were built many years later.

Don't get me wrong a gurdwara is the door to gurusahib, no matter where it is located.

Therefore, if visiting on a pilgrimage then you should never omit one because you don't follow the claims behind it.

Note, that we also have this ongoing dispute with hemkunt sahib, since it has been located in 2 different geographical areas in this century.

Authorship and control over gurdwaras has never been in the full hands of Sikhs and this is where a lot of problems have arisen.

I'm not at all suggesting your claim is wrong but like I said earlier, for this moment in time find your own conclusion.

Mine was the same as yours for a long time and now I believe otherwise. But who knows, I may in the future go back and start believing the same as you !!

ok... now daas thinks that some upper level thinks should be discussed....ready?

once daas was listening katha of gyani thakur singh ji and in katha he told a real life story.

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From what I know Maharaj's first mehal (wife) Mata Jeeto Ji left for sachkhand at an early age. Mata Sundar Kahur Ji was his second wife. The Gurus practiced what they taught and one of their teachings was widow remarriage. Mata Sahib Kaur Ji is known as the unmarried bride of maharaj. She was aad-shakti personified. From Purataan times to the Singh Sabha-era maharaj was accepted as having two wives. I do not know when this three wives thing started but it has proved detrimental to the panth. Especially when fools like Humble the poet throw such accusations around.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=345598312184830&set=pb.345542478857080.-2207520000.1365647737&type=3&theater

Mata Sahib kaur was aad shakti. Is it from Dasam Grath.

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