is it a myth or is it true regarding hari singh nalwa

[GPS]

gsp actually maharaja ranjit singh died in 1839

and besides peshawar which is a city of 3 million people making up only 1.5% of the pathan population how did conquering this city of peshawar send fear into all afghan mothers

if the sikhs accompanied the indian soldiers of the british east india company led by the english isn't the conquest of afghanistan still creditied to the british and not the indians or sikhs or if sikhs get credit then isn't it equal to saying that india or indians conquered afghanistan in 1839

I am not talking about peshawer city of today.I am talking about peshawer province that was called suba sarhad and included whole tribal areas of swat and wazirstan etc.

Anglo sikh wars happened after 1839. Have you read when britsh tried on their own to conquer afghanistan afterwards alone and there was a war between them anglo-afghan war.All british soldiers were killed to the last man and only one doctor came back alive to tell that all have been killed and british lost their face and never tried to wage war with them again.

[GPS]

the tribal regions of pakistan are the home to the pathans but what part did the british conquere after the second anglo afghan war were the afghans surrendered some of their land and allowed the british to control their foreign policy to keep russia in check cause russia had eyes on india and the brits could of controlled all of afghanistan but once again it wasn't good for buis since maintaining afghanistan costed more money then they made off of afghanistan so cause of afghanistan's poverty they just settled for some of their territory's and control of their foreign policy

British conquered nothing more than they got from sikh rule areas.They used Jamrod fort as their last fort. And do not ask for records and say give us proof that sikhs built it. Yes it was built by sikhs.

http://uniqueplacesinfo.blogspot.in/2009/10/one-of-major-tourist-attractions-in.html

Jamrud Fort was built by the Sikhs in 1823. The wonderful architecture

of Jamrud Fort in Peshawar is completely in harmony with the rugged

terrain and surrounding. The Fort looks majestic with its jumble of

towers and loop-holed walls. The fort lies about 20 kilometers east of

Peshawar city. The huge stone arch of Jamrud Fort over the road make the

formal entrance to the pass. As you pass under the arch you enter

tribal areas inhabited by the Afridi tribes in Pakistan. The fort has

survived several attacks and has witnessed many ups and downs of the

Sikh dynasty during the early 19th century. In 1837, the Afghans

attacked the Sikhs in Jamrud Fort during the Battle of Jamrud between

the Afghans and Sikh ruler Sardar Hari Singh Nalwa. It is said that

Jamrud Fort is the place where commander Sardar Hari Singh was fought

his last battle and was killed by the Afghans. During the British

colonial period Jamrud Fort served as a base for a cantonment of the

British Indian Army. During the military operations of 1878-79 Jamrud

Fort was proved to be of great importance as the frontier outpost on

British territory towards Afghanistan. It was the headquarter of the

Khyber Rifles also served as the military base during Tirah campaign in

1897-1898. travel.mapsofworld.com provides detailed information on

Jamrud Fort

[GPS]

Peshawer is a division now made by pakistan.Per present census about 69 percent people there speak pashtu the language of pathans then there are other dialects of it.

Punjabis form vast majority of pakistan and in peshawer division punjabi is spoken by about 1.7 percent population even today.So do not tell us your own figures.

http://www.hujra.net/index.php?topic=4344.0;wap2

According to the 1981 census, 68.30 per cent of the households in the
NWFP, which in this case means the settled areas and excludes the
Federally Administered Tribal Areas (FATA) of the province, speak
Pashto. Hindko is spoken by 18.13 per cent of the households, followed
by Seraiki with 3.95 per cent. Chitrali and Kohistani, spoken in Chitral
and Kohistan districts, are included in the column "Others" which
constit-----

Punjabi is spoken by a little over one per cent of the households in
NWFP, Urdu by less than one per cent, Sindhi by 0.05 per cent, Balochi
by 0.04 per cen

[cgy99100]

i was giving wild gueses their but then say give or take 70% of peshawar is pathans and say if sikhs only had conquered peshawar doesn't that show sikhs only conquered less then 6% of the pathan population

what percentage of the pathans came under sikh rule

and yes fort jamrud was constructed by sikhs just like sikhs took peshawar i ain't questioning that stuff cause their is more then enough

evidence to show it fact especially the battle of 1836 the battle of jamrud as well he had conquered the khyber pass and the surrounding

of peshawar

and gps could you tell me what territories britain took from the afghans after the second afghan anglo war???

for example did the sikhs or the british conquere waziristan cause you made a claim saying that everything the british got

came from the sikhs but waziristan came to the british after second anglo afghan war

[Mehtab Singh]

19th century British newspaper, T!t-Bits : "Some people might think that Napoleon was a great General. Some might name Marshal Hindenburgh, Lord Kitchener, General Karobzey or Duke of Wellington etc. And some going further might say Halaku Khan, Genghis Khan, Changez Khan, Richard or Allaudin etc. But let me tell you that in the North of India a General of the name of Hari Singh Nalwa of the Sikhs prevailed. Had he lived longer and had the sources and artillery of the British, he would have conquered most of Asia and Europe...."

“…builder of the Sikh Empire”, A.S. Sandhu in General Hari Singh Nalwa 1791-1837, 1935 (Sikh historian)

On being asked about the Sikh Kingdom, Mohan Lal informed Abbas Mirza— the Persian Qajar crown prince and military commander during wars with Russia and the Ottoman Empire: “…if Sardar Hari Singh were to cross the Indus, his highness would soon be glad to make good his retreat to his original government in Tabriz.” (Mohan Lal Kashmiri in Travels in the Panjab, Afghanistan, and Turkistan, etc., 1846 (In service of the East India Company))

“The noblest and the most gallant of the Sikh generals of his time, the very embodiment of honour, chivalry, and courage…” (K.M. Panikkar in The Founding of the Kashmir State, 1930 (Historian, Author, Diplomat and Editor Hindustan Times in 1925)

“…champion of the Khalsaji”, Lepel Griffin in The Panjab Chiefs, 1865 (Bengal Civil Service, Assistant Commissioner, Lahore)

Sir Lepel Griffin, in his book 'The Punjab Chiefs' writes:- "Hari Singh was struck by two balls, one in the side and the other in the stomach. He knew he was mortally wounded, but fearing to discourage his men, he turned his horse's head, and managed to ride as far as his tent. He swooned as he was taken from his horse, and half an hour later the bravest of the Sikh Generals, the man with the terror of whose name Afghan mothers used to quiet their fretful children was dead." For decades after his death, Yusufzai women would say "Raghe Hari Singh" ("Hari Singh is coming") to frighten their children into obedience.

Sir Lepel Griffen: "Hari Singh Nalwa, the man with the terror of whose name Afghan mothers used to quiet their fretful children..."

Like to read more, here you go...

http://archive.org/details/ranjitsingh00grifgoog

http://archive.org/stream/ranjitsingh00grifgoog#page/n7/mode/2up

[cgy99100]

yes and thing is sir lepel griffins comments don't make sence considering sikhs never conquered present day afghanistan so why would afghan mothers or their children be scared of hari singh nalwa i don't think most even heard his name and you ahve to take into account how high illiteracy was in even countries like england over hundred years ago how would most afghan mothers heard his name considering most couldn't read or write and didn't have news papers

other theory is sir lepel griffin may of bin misled by a sikh and an urban legend

or the mothers of peshawar was once who were terrorised but add couple of pounds of masala to the story desi style and it turns into the mothers of afghanistan used hari singh nalwa name to scare their kids

[Mehtab Singh]

Or register for free on an online Sikh forum with a fictitious name and post cooked up theories. Yup, I agree with you totally.

[13Mirch]

Or register for free on an online Sikh forum with a fictitious name and post cooked up theories. Yup, I agree with you totally.

Seems to be a planned attack. Maybe this is the same guy under a different name who is asking questions about village and caste marriages?

[gurdeepsinghjohal]

He has read right books of history,which other reads does not have evidence to support there claim. :cool2:

[JSinghnz]

yes and thing is sir lepel griffins comments don't make sence considering sikhs never conquered present day afghanistan so why would afghan mothers or their children be scared of hari singh nalwa i don't think most even heard his name and you ahve to take into account how high illiteracy was in even countries like england over hundred years ago how would most afghan mothers heard his name considering most couldn't read or write and didn't have news papers

other theory is sir lepel griffin may of bin misled by a sikh and an urban legend

or the mothers of peshawar was once who were terrorised but add couple of pounds of masala to the story desi style and it turns into the mothers of afghanistan used hari singh nalwa name to scare their kids

AT LEAST LEARN HOW TO SPELL SENSE BEFORE COMING WITH MORE NONSENSE ON OUR FORUM.

sence 447 up, 180 down http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sence

1. This is how [insult] spell sense, since they have no sense, they can't XXXXing spell it.