Prominent Sants attend namdhari "satguru" jagjit singh's funeral

[N30S1NGH]

I am afraid those who didn't spent much time listening to katha, sakhiya, books of puratan mahapursh and sangat of true mahapursh are clearly out of depth on this one, just listen to the audio above itself, does this audio sakhi of sant attar singh ji maharaj reru sahib meeting with baba pratap singh namdhari seem like to bring back baba pratap singh namdhari beleif into mainstream sikhi beleif? ..it does not seem like it...read jivan kiranie - jevani of sant jwala singh ji harkhowala- same luke warm relationship between sant jwala singh ji harkhowal and baba pratap singh mentioned there as well.

Bhramgyani mahapursh knows everything is part of vahiguroo hakum so they try to find common ground between other sadhus, mahapursh from other groups who may or may not be fully aligned with nirole gurmat...they try to find common ground such as bhagti, prem, bairaag, seva, shabad, unity within diversity..so in this case since there is common ground between them and us- shabad gurbani, prem, bairaag, seva they don't look at the differences..!!

[proactive]

Why would these 'brahmgyanis' want to stop an existing Gurudom when their whole intention is to start their own one? The reason you don't see these people taking an active stance against the Kukas, Radhaswamis or other fake cults is that they know that once these cults are eliminated or the whole Panth becomes aware of how they operate, then the Panth will also become aware of how these 'brahmgyanis' are also operating in a similar fashion.

The amusing thing is how the chelas of these 'brahmgyanis' rationalise their hypocrisy by blabbing on about unity in diversity, common ground and other similar bukwas.

Guru Gobind Singh created the Khalsa and gave it authority to even give tankhah to the Guru if he did anything against the rehat, these 'brahmgyanis' are turning the same Khalsa into sheep who cannot even understand when the 'brahmgyanis' are taking them for a ride!

[WaljinderSingh]

Bhai Ram Singh was a Gursikh but the leaders after them started calling themselves Satguru.

forward to 3:30

[osingh]

Naamdharis are now referring to Guru Granth Sahib jee as "Granth" and their fake guru as "Sache Patshah" and "Satguru". They allow matha tek and chaur of their fake Guru, the real Guru is on put on the side of the stage whilst the fake Guru takes centre stage, what greater beadbi is there than this?

In my opinion the Akal Takht Jathedar should take a tougher stance towards Naamdharis. Eitjher they accept Guru Granth Sahib as Satguru and stop referrring to their new leadey Uday Singh as "Satguru", if they refuse then they should not be allowed to do seva of Guru Granth Sahib.

Imagine if any other dera were to refer to their leader as "Satguru" and Guru Granth Sahib jee as just "Granth".

Naamdharis have caused great damage to Sikh Panth by leading the sangat astray. Baba Raam Singh jee clearly state that Guru Granth Sahib was Guru.

The reason why prior sants may have had closer relations to Naamdharis was because they were not so blatant back then. Also Baba Raam Singh was still fresh in the memories of those Sants who all recognised him to be a great Gursikh. Those Sants would never have gone to Naamdhari headquarters today, that era was different and we do not have all the information or even how close those sant were to naamdharis.

I think there is a sakhi regarding Baba Nand Singh jee finding out about sangat doing chaur of Partap Singh and admonishing him for this act. Imagine now when Guru Granth Sahib is put at the side of the stage while the fake guru sits in the middle and gives their "darshan".

[lsingh]

I find it strange that those who condemn Dhunda, missionaries etc on a daily basis are silent on those who carry out far worse beadbi, some are actually trying to defend them

[Singh559]

Bhai Ram Singh was a Gursikh but the leaders after them started calling themselves Satguru.

forward to 3:30

This just blew all the arguments about "sants" meeting with namdharis out of the water. Sant Gurbachan Singh Bhindranwale did sangat of Bhai Ram Singh Ji and he was a cattard GurSikh.

Don't be swayed by people trying to change history whether inside the panth or outside of it.

[Jonny101]

I find it strange that those who condemn Dhunda, missionaries etc on a daily basis are silent on those who carry out far worse beadbi, some are actually trying to defend them

Yeah I agree. One who is against Dhunda and Kala Afghanis should not flirt with fake Gurudoms and think they(kukas) are one of us. In 1984 these Namdharis were in full support of the congress party's murderous actions against the Sikhs. They hated Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale. These Dhundas Shundhas on the one hand and the fake Gurudoms on the other hand are in reality different sides of the same coin in the sense that they are all GOI assets created to destroy and confuse the Sikh Panth from within.

Whenever Sikhs have any sort of unity on the political or Panthic level the governments of Delhi from the start have always supported our enemies.

-During the Mughal period the Mughals supported the RamRaiyas and Dhirmalias against the Sikhs.

-The British period saw the rise of the Namdharis. The British did not like how Sikhs were getting strong and united under a rehitvaan Singh like Baba Ram Singh ji Namdhari, so after they expelled him from Punjab they turned the Namdharis into a Gurudom and began to support them.

-After 1947 when Sikhs were united during the Dharm Yudh Morcha during the 80s, the Indian government attacked Darbar Sahib and got Sant Ji Shaheed because they knew he was the only man who can unite the Panth, and since then we have been divided.

The only time after 84 that we saw unity in the Panth was last year during the Rajoana protests. The entire Panth was one united force who were demanding justice for 84 like no time before. So what does the GOI do, they send their assets like Dhunda to the west to again break our unity so Sikhs can start fighting amongst each other instead of focusing on real issues that really matter to the Panth like justice for 84, tackling apostasy in the youth, female infanticide etc.

The Sikhs need to understand the game that is being played and fight against GOI assets(Kala Afghanists, Kukas, Radhasoamis, Sacha Sauda).

[singhfauja]

Baba Ram Singh never called himself a 'Guru' and his letters prove that. Only his chelas referred to him as a 'Guru'.

After listening to his bachans, I have full confidence that Baba Jarnail Singh Ji would have never entered a court of such an imposter and ਸ਼ਰੀਕ of Guru Sahib as some of others have done. Such should be the commitment of every Sikh who has faithfully given his 'sees' to His Guru only and none other.

The establishment of Naamdharee "Gurus" at the so-called Bhenee "Sahib" was a great sacrilege and a direct challenge to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji's Authority and Supremacy.

These so-called Sikhs who seek the sangat or blessings for such impostors have turned their backs to Guru Nanak Dev-Guru Gobind Singh-Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji's GurGaddee and Durbar.

Gurbani is clear about the fate this inviduals:

ਜੋ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਮੁਹ ਫਿਰੇ ਤਿਨਾ ਠਉਰ ਨ ਠਾਉ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਛੁਟੜਿ ਘਰਿ ਘਰਿ ਫਿਰੈ ਦੁਹਚਾਰਣਿ ਬਦਨਾਉ ॥

Those who turn their faces away from the True Guru, shall find no place of rest or shelter.

They wander around from door to door, like a woman forsaken, with a bad character and a bad reputation. (Ang 645)

[Sevadar01]

Does anyone have any hard evidence as we all know how reliable the Indian Media is ????? Pics or video clip ???

[bellypop]

I think there is clear respect for Bhai Ram Singh. Maybe years ago Naamdharis were not making the mistakes they are making now. But now it is clear they do much Beadbi. I have been told that in their deras they keep Guru Granth Sahib Ji in a cupboard.

Also calling themselves Satguru and then having 13th 14th Guru is really not in line with the Panth. I could not agree with these people even if i tried.

So we cannot really see eye to eye with them while they continue these practises.