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Responsible for the Sikh Genocide, Lt Gen Dyal shunned by Sikhs

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One of the Generals responsible for the massacre of thousands of men , women and children during the 1984 has been shunned by Gurdwaras evenafter his death.

This man carried out Bluestar and Woodrose with enthusiasm when other sensible Generals refused,

Its good that the SGPC and Sukbir Badal have said Bluestar was an outrage against Sikhs and thats why the Bhog was refused. It sends a strong message that the Genocide paticipants are immensely disliked by Sikhs for the Gurdwara to take this action

http://www.hindustantimes.com/Punjab/Chandigarh/P-kula-gurdwara-refuses-to-hold-prayers-for-1965-war-hero/SP-Article1-995938.aspx

A gurdwara in Sector 7 of Panchkula refused to hold prayers to mark the death anniversary of 1965 war hero Lt Gen RS Dyal on December 30, citing his participation in Operation Bluestar, the 1984 army action by which Sikh militants seeking a separate country (Khalistan) were flushed out of theGolden Temple in Amritsar.

The refusal has shocked the defence community of the region.

A devout Sikh who was awarded the Maha Vir Chakra, the country's second highest war gallantry award, for the capture of the formidable Haji Pir Pass in J&K in the 1965 war with Pakistan, Lt Gen Dyal was chief of staff, Western Command, at the time of Bluestar. He retired as army commander of the Southern Command, then served as lieutenant governor of Pondicherry (Puducherry) and the Andaman and Nicobar Islands, and passed away on January 29 last year.

"When I went to the gurdwara to ask them to conduct the rituals, they (the management) said he (Lt Gen Dyal) should have resigned over Bluestar. I was shocked. I said he had just followed orders," said the late officer's wife Barinder Kaur Dyal. "He was the hero of Haji Pir Pass. They don't remember his contribution in the 1965 war, but rake up Bluestar. This should end now."

The religious service was then organised at the family residence with the help of the army's priest, and the langar (community kitchen) was organised at the Khetrapal Officers' Institute (KOI) in Chandimandir.
Reasoned Harbans Singh, secretary of the Sector-7 gurudwara management, "When we had conducted the bhog (prayer) on Lt Gen Dyal's death, the Sikh sangat (community) raised a lot of questions. So this time we decided to go with the sangat."

"Even during the bhog, the gurdwara management was hesitant," said Col Iqbal Singh (retd), a former aide of Lt Gen Dyal, "Arrangements were lacking, and they appeared to be handing us a favour."

When HT contacted Avtar Singh Makkar, president of the Shiromani Gurdwara Parbhandak Committee (SGPC), he praised the gurdwara management. "Lt Gen Dyal was involved in the attack on the Akal Takht (the Sikh temporal seat in the Golden Temple complex). Artillery and tanks were used. He never apologised."
Asked whether he recognised Lt Gen Dyal's role in the 1965 war, Makkar said, "What he did in 1984 remains unacceptable."

Lt Gen Raj Kadyan (retd), chairman of the Indian Ex-Servicemen Movement (IESM) and former vice-chief of army staff, reacted, "It is a sad incident. An incident like Operation Bluestar should not be used against the army, which is a secular institution. Lt Gen Dyal was a great soldier who deserves respect. We are all proud of him as he did what was required."

Terming the incident unfortunate, Lt Col SS Sohi (retd), president of the Ex-Servicemen Grievance Cell, said, "The army fights for the nation, not for a religion or caste. Soldiers like Lt Gen Dyal are rare."

Lt Gen Dyal is considered one of the main officers during Bluestar along with Lt Gen K Sunderji, who was the army commander (Lt Gen Dyal's immediate superior) in the Western Command, and Lt Gen Kuldip Singh Brar, who led the troops inside the Golden Temple.

General AS Vaidya, the then army chief, was assassinated in Pune in August 1986, while Lt Gen Sunderji died of natural causes in 1999.

Lt Gen Brar was injured in an attack by pro-Khalistan Sikh radicals in London last year.

Maj Gen KS Bajwa (retd), author of five books on wars, said, "Lt Gen Dyal does not deserve such treatment. Operation Bluestar was a Gen Sunderji's show. Lt Gen Dyal just executed what was ordered

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The Gurdwara management that took this decision should be given our full support. The Indian media, Congress and RSS types are up in arms about this, the Gurdwara must be under a lot of pressure.

'Maj Gen KS Bajwa (retd), author of five books on wars, said, "Lt Gen Dyal does not deserve such treatment. Operation Bluestar was a Gen Sunderji's show. Lt Gen Dyal just executed what was ordered'

Interesting how they blame each other , but it is to late. The Naizis at the Nuremberg trials after World War 2 said that they only followed Hitlers orders, this was regarded as no defence as they could have refused as Gen Sinha did.

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The Gurdwara management that took this decision should be given our full support. The Indian media, Congress and RSS types are up in arms about this, the Gurdwara must be under a lot of pressure.

Too late. Our enemies have beaten us to it. The Gurdwara in question has backtracked to such an extent that they're now telling the Indian media that the General was a really really great man and would be honoured to hold ceremonies in his honour.

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His wife is having a laugh with her comment about raking up the past. Pathetic.

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This Dusht helped commit a genocide against his own people. We truly are slaves in India if we have to commemorate the disgraceful life of such scum in our Gurdwaras. What next ?.......an akhand paath in memory of Aurangzeb, Mir Manu, Indira Gandhi ?

Akal Takhat Sahib and SGPC need to speak up now !!!

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This Dusht helped commit a genocide against his own people. We truly are slaves in India if we have to commemorate the disgraceful life of such scum in our Gurdwaras. What next ?.......an akhand paath in memory of Aurangzeb, Mir Mannu, Indira Gandhi ?

Akal Takhat Sahib and SGPC need to speak up now !!!

So who made the u-turn? For once it seemed like everyone was on the same page.

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So who made the u-turn? For once it seemed like everyone was on the same page.

I'm not sure, haven't seen a link which confirms that anyone has made a u-turn (I only responded to West London Singh's post). Searching on the internet now, I have only found the following links which seem to say that they are sticking to their guns:

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20130122/punjab.htm#7

Service fraternity condemns gurdwara action

The management had refused to conduct prayers on Lt Gen Dayal’s death anniversary

Tribune News Service

Chandigarh, January 21

The refusal of a local gurdwara to grant permission to the family of a decorated Lt General to conduct prayers on his death anniversary on the grounds that he was associated with Operation Bluestar has been termed as “unfortunate and inappropriate” by the retired service fraternity as well as political figures.

The management of the gurdwara in Sector 7 Panchkula, did not allow the family of Lt General Ranjit Singh Dayal to hold a prayer meeting on its premises yesterday. The meeting was held at the departed soldier’s residence and langar organised at the officers’ institute at Chandimandir.

Lt General Dayal was Chief of Staff, Western Command, when Operation Bluestar was launched. A decorated soldier who captured the strategic Haji Pir Pass in Jammu and Kashmir in 1965, for which he was awarded the Maha Vir Chakra, later served as GOC-in-C, Southern Command, and Governor of Puducherry.

Describing the incident as unfortunate, Lt General Raj Kadyan, former Deputy Chief of Army Staff, said: “General Dayal was a highly respected soldier. To view a single action through the lens of religion is reducing not only his stature, but also that of the Army, which is the most secular organisation in the country.”

Maj-Gen Satbir Singh of the Indian Ex-servicemen’s Movement said the action on the part of the gurdwara management was inappropriate as Lt General Dayal was only performing his duty to the nation.

Brig Harwant Singh said: “General Dayal was only doing his duty and it was totally wrong on the part of the gurdwara management to act in the way they did. The gurdwara action seems to be sectarian and anti-national.”

Daljit Cheema, SAD spokesperson, said he had not heard about the incident and General Dayal’s family alone could comment on the matter. Leader of the Opposition in the assembly, Sunil Jakhar, said General Dayal was a brave soldier and a gentleman who deserved respect of the nation, especially Punjabis.

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I'm not sure, haven't seen a link which confirms that anyone has made a u-turn (I only responded to West London Singh's post). Searching on the internet now, I have only found the following links which seem to say that they are sticking to their guns:

No. They've changed their minds big time. There was a time when Sikh gianis were not scared of swords, bullets and death. These days.....the mere threat of arrest is enough to turn evil men into men worthy of respect.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Didn-t-refuse-to-hold-anniv-prayers-for-Bluestar-general--Panchkula-gurdwara/1062819/

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Head Granthi Palvinder Singh said he can’t recall that whether the family had approached him for holding prayers on December 30, 2012.

Gyani jee, its been only 3 weeks!

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Jutiyan da haar es Gaddar Jatt di photo de gal ch paa ke, chittar parade karni si edi Panchkula ch.

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Terming the incident unfortunate, Lt Col SS Sohi (retd), president of the Ex-Servicemen Grievance Cell, said, "The army fights for the nation, not for a religion or caste. Soldiers like Lt Gen Dyal are rare."

Yes the above is true but what about General Shabheg Singh who fought for the country as well and lead India to win the war against Bangladesh. Was he not worthy of respect, did they not think of his achievements while they were removing his scalp and torturing him to death.

Shameful

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That Mandeep 'singh' Bajwa guy is a total chumcha of the Indian govt. I remember debating his traitorous a.ss on the old Sikh history forum a decade ago.

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That Mandeep 'singh' Bajwa guy is a total chumcha of the Indian govt. I remember debating his traitorous a.ss on the old Sikh history forum a decade ago.

Is that the same mandeep bajwa? this guy is the biggest congress chumcha alive. I remember him trying to justify everything the congress did including operation blue star, but every time he was beaten in the debate by knowledgeable Sikhs like you. This man is the very definition of a Boot Chatt(boot licker) of his master i.e. congress party of India. In the end of the day, boot chatts like him have no respect amongst the Sikhs. They will always be known as traitors and eventually be forgotten.

His whole argument is that a soldier should not be punished for following the orders of his political masters. That's the same argument every war criminal on trial makes, but in the end the judge always says "you could have resigned".

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Terming the incident unfortunate, Lt Col SS Sohi (retd), president of the Ex-Servicemen Grievance Cell, said, "The army fights for the nation, not for a religion or caste. Soldiers like Lt Gen Dyal are rare."

Yes the above is true but what about General Shabheg Singh who fought for the country as well and lead India to win the war against Bangladesh. Was he not worthy of respect, did they not think of his achievements while they were removing his scalp and torturing him to death.

Shameful

Yes the picture of Shabeg Singh is horiffic, scalping and torture indicates how humilated the Indian army felt after their Para Commandoes and Special forces troops were completely defeated by the untrained Sikhs.

http://www.sikhmuseum.com/bluestar/photographs/index.html#tn3=0/slide33

I wonder if Shabeg Singh tried to negotiate with the barbaric Indian army to stop the killing of the sangat but was himself killed by the army?

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Jutiyan da haar es Gaddar Jatt di photo de gal ch paa ke, chittar parade karni si edi Panchkula ch.

Why mention the fact eh jatt se? Also he himself thought himself as a Sikh and so did his family but he was not!

I mean sant ji was a Brar so would you also use same logic and refer to as a Jatt? I think NOT.

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Terming the incident unfortunate, Lt Col SS Sohi (retd), president of the Ex-Servicemen Grievance Cell, said, "The army fights for the nation, not for a religion or caste. Soldiers like Lt Gen Dyal are rare."

Yes the above is true but what about General Shabheg Singh who fought for the country as well and lead India to win the war against Bangladesh. Was he not worthy of respect, did they not think of his achievements while they were removing his scalp and torturing him to death.

Shameful

True. Their double standards are so unreal. They did not even have the courtesy to treat the Sikh fighters as soldiers should be treated. Any Sikh fighter that they managed to catch alive, they tortured them before executing them. As if that wasn't enough these barbarians even unleashed their terror on the Sikh pilgrims. The Indian army even surpassed the Mughal and Afghan invaders in cruelty.

Just look at what Indian media is writing. All they are saying is how this is an injustice against a (1965)war hero. If he was a war hero and all his crimes can be forgiven then why wasn't the same courtesy extended to Gen Shahbeg Singh? These types of double standards of Indians is the worst. I have seen some Indians most of them good natured, intelligent and educated people who treat operation blue star as an great act of courage by Indira Gandhi. Even the BJP which hates the Nehru dynasty, but even they cannot help but applaud Indira Gandhi for her attack on the Sikhs. They almost treat this terrorist act against the Sikhs as if Sikhs should somehow be thankful to them for this operation.

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This is Mandeep Bajwas (acts as an unofficial spokesman for the army) latest statement in the Hindustan Times.

It seems after years of defending Bluestar he is cannot defend the undefendable any longer. He blames Indira, Sunderji and Brar for the massacre. However the entire Indian Political and military establishment were involved. There seems an attempt by the Indian military and political classes to shift the blame unto a few individuals 'who acted by themselves'

'For the sake of her political expediency, she sidelined Lt Gen Sinha and chose the very ambitious Lt Gen Sundarji, the Western Army Commander, to carry out this task. Sundarji was full of bravado and he promised to rid the Golden Temple of Bhindranwale and his miscreants within a matter of hours. The entire operation was conceived, planned and directed by Sundarji himself.

Unfortunately, the army operation was rather ham-handed. An overconfident Sundarji was in too much of a hurry to consider other options. When foolhardy, direct assaults had failed to dislodge the militants, tanks were rushed in to virtually destroy the Akal Takht and cause other collateral damage. The timing of the attack when a large number of devotees had congregated to pay homage to Guru Arjan Dev on his martyrdom day was brazenly thoughtless, if not callous.

Maj Gen Kuldip Singh Brar, commanding 9 Division, failed to stand up to the overbearing Sundarji and was equally to blame. Had Sundarji and Brar planned and carried out the operation with tactical finesse, avoiding collateral damage to the complex and the innocent devotees, the army would have earned the gratitude of the Sikh community for restoring the sanctity of the holiest shrine.

What was the role of Lt Gen Dyal in this rather sordid course of events? He was the Chief of Staff to Army Commander Sundarji. Whenever the Army Commander is given a task or conceives it by himself, he outlines the task to his staff and the heads of arms and services and broadly also indicates how he plans to accomplish the objective. The information that has a bearing on the task, along with inputs from the heads of arms and services relating to participation of their elements, is then evaluated. If need be, more information is gathered and considered. The options available are thus thrown up and the Chief of Staff then presents these to the Army Commander, who decides how the task will be accomplished'

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SGPC lauds gurudwara for refusing to hold prayers for Dyal
TNN Jan 22, 2013, 04.12AM IST
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CHANDIGARH: The Shiromani Gurdwara Parbandhak Committee lauded the management of a Panchkula-based gurudwara in Haryana for refusing to hold prayers for 1965 war hero Lt Gen RS Dyal on Monday because he participated in Operation Bluestar.

Dyal's widow, Barinder Kaur Dyal, was refused permission to hold prayers in memory of the war hero because of his participation in 1984 military action to flush out militants holed up in Golden Temple, sources said. Lt Gen Dyal died on January 29 last year.

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SGPC president Avtar Singh Makkar said on Monday that there was nothing wrong in refusing to hold prayers on the death anniversary of Lt Gen Dyal since he had "attacked the Golden Temple".

Lt Gen Dyal was awarded Maha Vir Chakra for the capture of Haji Pir Pass in J&K during the 1965 Indo-Pak war and was chief of staff, Western Command, at the time of Bluestar.

"The gurudwara management committee's decision reflects the Sikhs' annoyance and anguish against Bluestar," said Makkar. Dyal should have refused to attack Sikhs' holiest shrine as he is a Sikh, Makkar added.

However, the head granthi of Panchkula gurudwara Palvinder Singh said that nobody contacted him for holding prayers. "We never refused anyone wishing to hold prayers. There could have been a problem with availability of dates," Palvinder claimed.

Asked whether SGPC would take the same stand if the family of a Bluestar soldier came to the Golden Temple for a similar function, Makkar said, "We cannot stop anyone from coming to Golden Temple. We will decide if and when we face such a situation."

Sources said Barinder had approached the gurudwara for performing 'bhog' ceremony in December on the first death anniversary, according to the Sikh calendar. Though she has refused to comment, those close to the family said she was refused permission.

Barinder finally held the ceremony at her house and the langar (community kitchen) was organized at the Khetrapal Officers' Institute inside the Chandimandir cantonment in Panchkula, said sources.

Sources said that the management of the gurudwara had allowed the family to hold prayers after his death last year. "It was only after the ceremony that the matter was brought to the SGPC by some people, who issued instructions to the gurudwara not to hold any ceremony," sources said.

Gen Dyal had played a key role in the planning and execution of Bluestar. He had retired as General Officer Commanding in Chief Southern Command of the Army. Post retirement, he had also served as Lt Governor of Andaman & Nicobar Island. He was among the very few retired officers of the Indian army who were provided special security cover by the ministry of defence.


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