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Pad Ched or Larivaar Saroop of Ad Guru Granth Sahib Ji

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its says locked but i had something to say.... Bhai mani singh started pothi sahibs and pad ched of maharaj for the sake of humanity... very few people just about learn panjabi and read path never mind do santhiya....Bhai mani singh therefore must have know this and make reading bani "easier".. he also had to pay this karm,, by being cut up joint by joint exactly as he split gurbani joint by joint for the sake of humanity...

now some people think they are so up themselves to questions such things.. no doubt lavivaar is praatan,,, but so is an amritdhari singh tyar bar tyar, bana, minimun 3 foot kirpan on his side as a minimun...(this being all the time day and night not just when entering a gurdwara or a akhand path at someones house...)

why some topics are restricted amazes me,,

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if some can answer, why are some topics locked, is it the moderator or the person starting the topic? thanks in advance

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if some can answer, why are some topics locked, is it the moderator or the person starting the topic? thanks in advance

Usually i agree with most of Veer Mehtab Singh's locks, but not this one. We can pre lock many threads because they may lead to immaturity, do we act preemptively every time? I understand if its the usual "meat" thread, but just don't see the reason in this case.

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this being all the time day and night not just when entering a gurdwara or a akhand path at someones house...)

HAHAHAHAHAAA..............next morning they be rocking the sweater, dress shirt underneath and a very small Kirpan tucked in their dress shirt......you know gotta keep up with fashion.......Bibi ji says i am not leaving the house if you have a big kirpan on and it is on the outside......okay sweety......conformity (had a more graphic term, but lets not go there).........HAHAHAHAAA

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Usually i agree with most of Veer Mehtab Singh's locks, but not this one. We can pre lock many threads because they may lead to immaturity, do we act preemptively every time? I understand if its the usual "meat" thread, but just don't see the reason in this case.

Singh ji, you and I know both know how this is gonna go down. It will be another locked topic, so what is the point? Engaging in discussion is good, but we know very well how differing opinions are taken on this forum especially when a certain jathebandi's bashing is enjoyed.

Anyways, lets see how many days this thread stays free from harsh personal attacks. I look forward and wish to be proved wrong for once! :)

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if some can answer, why are some topics locked, is it the moderator or the person starting the topic? thanks in advance
Only an admin or mod can close a thread. Its done after the discussion has crossed its limit regarding violation of forum rules. In this particular case, it was closed only because the topic is going to turn into another closed thread (very soon :) ). How do I know? Just experience :)

Rest time will tell.

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Wow ^

I knew that lardeevaar was original and should be as such, but the points made are very real/true.

Only watched a few minutes as it's getting late and will watch the rest tomorrow.

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By the way, this latest video is what I think caused this topic to start..........

This video presents that there are many different opinions on where one word stops and where another starts in a tuk. Okay fine there is different opinions. Now whether Satguru is larivaar or Pad Ched the same people will make a pause between words at the same spot and then move to the next word. So how do you plan on handling this issue...........its separate from having Maharaj in Larivaar or Pad ched. This second issue of breaks between saying a word is about taking santhiya from a certain jatha or person and how they were talk to read Larivaar Saroop of Maharaj.

Also there is no correlation between people wearing small kakkars around their neck and having Maharaj in Pad Ched. Maybe if these people took the time to read Maharaj in Pad Ched, where Gursikhs have done the task of reading Bani is easier, they would have worn a Kirpan as Satguru told them. If their was a correlation between the two then 99% of the Amritdharis will have small necklace kakkars around their neck. No doubt many Amritdharis have disowned Kakkar rehat among other rehat, but is that really do to having Pad Ched Saroop of Maharaj or just one way you guys thought to scare the Sikhs. I think its the latter. I know many Sikhs who have taken Amrit because they were able to understand Maharaj in Pad Ched Saroop.

As others have said...............i'm all for Larivaar Saroop of Maharaj. Maharaj wrote Gurbani like this so we need to follow. But to say Pad Ched is not Saroop of Maharaj, Gurdwaras with Maharaj Parkash in Pad Ched are not Gurdwaras, no Guru in Larivaar equals no sangat are very immature comments that have no sound reasoning backing it.

One poster made the comment that if Maharaj was in Larivaar Saroop then Shaheed Singhs will not let an attack on Maharaj take place. When Sri Akal Takht Sahib was attacked in the past and more recently, wasn't Larivaar Saroop of Maharaj present? Again such comments have no sound reasoning.

Taksal's name was mentioned in the video. After going to Taksal Singhs students and teachers. They teach students in Pad Ched. And these students of Taksal were the students of Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh ji Maharaj. Even Taksal Gutka Sahib are in Pad Ched

There needs to be a push for Larivaar teaching and learning, but the reasons to support can't be intimdation tactics and very poorly thought out correlations that don't exist.

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I apologize for the other thread - http://www.sikhsanga...granth-sahib-ji, kinda went overboard in 4th paragragh with my rhetoric rant. Anyway, hope to bring key points without offending anyone.

1. Coming to secular place- panthic place such as sikhsangat, super imposing their view pad ched is fake, encouraging others not to matha taik to pad ched form of sri guru granth sahib ji is highly offensive and insulting. It's like saying kirtan done in non raag is fake, imply those who do it are fake. It should not be tolerated as going to extreme lengths- calling pad ched of sri guru granth sahib fake is taking things to extreme, that mindset has to be reminded-it all comes down to sharda and prem. Remember it was same pad ched saroop of sri guru granth sahib ji where sri guru nanak dev nirankar gave darshan to baba nand singh ji maharaj after becoming very pleased with his 110% faith and dedication towards sargun saroop of sri guru granth sahib ji.

2. There shouldn't be one standard across the board (either for larivar for the reason orginal poster stated or against larivar in favor of pad ched saroop), thats what sgpc tried to do when they implemented pad ched saroop, they tried to implement pad ched all across the board, whole panth went against it, sgpc reversed their position.

3. If people do parchar on beauty of larivar saroop, the way its written- art of caligarphy and its lost tradition instead of focusing why other format is evil then they can bring the positive change. Personally speaking on raag kirtan- lost tradition which is revived now, 10-15 years ago kirtan in raag was almost un heard of but now days- raag kirtan is quite popular, you will find lots of cd/tape people singing in raag kirtan, sangat is more aware ever than before. This is not because of rhetoric rant kirtan in non raag is manmat and people do kirtan in non raag are fake/manmatiya etc- this is not the way to make sangat aware but it would rather divide and confuse the sangat..the most effective way is to show beauty of raag kirtan and thats it.

Sant gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale when they had debates with arya samaji type of people, they never did bhandi parchar or khandan mandan of their ishatdev, sant ji - simply show - beauty and uniquiness of gurmat, thats how they were able to convert soo many people in Sikhi..!!

Other side of mindset - doing khandan mandan/do bhandi parchar can really put people off from sikhi. One such partakh example on cyber space is harjas kaur khalsa who used to be on extreme right but after hearing extreme right parchar for so long, she revolted went on extreme left. Now you will find her posting on rss websites...after her many attempts to post rss propaganda on sikhawareness.com forum, we finally banned her from our forum last year.!!

So guys, we are all on one team, take it easy with rhetoric rants (including me) on things be it if its- larivar or padcheed, kirtan in raag, kirtan in non raag etc etc..!!

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to the original poster can u kindly provide evidence of Bhai mani singh ji was responsible for pad ched.

My view is that larivaar format is the right way as this is how maharaj wrote gurbani. However i do not agree that u shouldnt do matha tek in front of pad ched sarroop and the saroop is somehow not the guru.

There needs to be parchaar about larivaar and the youth need to start taking santhya in larivaar so we can make larivaar mainstream (allthough every historic gurudwara has a larivaar saroop prakash)

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One such partakh example on cyber space is harjas kaur khalsa who used to be on extreme right but after hearing extreme right parchar for so long, she revolted went on extreme left. Now you will find her posting on rss websites...after her many attempts to post rss propaganda on sikhawareness.com forum, we finally banned her from our forum last year.!!

So guys, we are all on one team, take it easy with rhetoric rants (including me) on things be it if its- larivar or padcheed, kirtan in raag, kirtan in non raag etc etc..!!

Bhai sahib I will try to reply to this thread later in a friendly manner so I will try to not cause offence to anyone and to respect the mods wishes. But I know Harjas Kaur she is NO RSS. Where's the proof she posts on rss forums and if she did is it again gurmat? I don't like the way you pinpointed and mocked her!

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But I know Harjas Kaur she is NO RSS. Where's the proof she posts on rss forums and if she did is it again gurmat? I don't like the way you pinpointed and mocked her

I know its slightly off-topic but quickly simply search her post on http://www.hindudharmaforums.com you will know what i am talking about ... here is some of example threads: http://www.hindudhar...read.php?t=6335 , http://www.hindudharmaforums.com/showthread.php?t=3538&page=2 etc etc

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Back to the topic please :)

I'm not gonna contribute because it becomes into a battle when I join in ;)

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