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do you think Veer ji that the rules about taking the paap load off people by doing ninda would count here? because obviously humans talk ill of those jeev that disturb them and this one atma was bothering the sangat of the gurudwara?

If people are doing Ninda of Sikhs in this world, it keeps any haume in check. Bhoots are not in human form and hence as per my limited understanding, I do not believe rules surrounding ustat/ninda apply.

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are bhoot a joon too , I know pret are ..

A ghost is one who is attached to maya. Guruji tells us this:

ਪਉੜੀ ॥

पउड़ी ॥

Pa▫oṛī.

Pauri.

ਜਿਸੁ ਬਿਸਰਤ ਤਨੁ ਭਸਮ ਹੋਇ ਕਹਤੇ ਸਭਿ ਪ੍ਰੇਤੁ ॥

जिसु बिसरत तनु भसम होइ कहते सभि प्रेतु ॥

Jis bisraṯ ṯan bẖasam ho▫e kahṯe sabẖ pareṯ.

By His separation the body becomes dust and all call it a ghost.

ਖਿਨੁ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਮਹਿ ਬਸਨ ਨ ਦੇਵਹੀ ਜਿਨ ਸਿਉ ਸੋਈ ਹੇਤੁ ॥

खिनु ग्रिह महि बसन न देवही जिन सिउ सोई हेतु ॥

Kẖin garih mėh basan na ḏevhī jin si▫o so▫ī heṯ.

They, with whom thou hast so much love, permit thee not to stay in home, even for an instant.

ਕਰਿ ਅਨਰਥ ਦਰਬੁ ਸੰਚਿਆ ਸੋ ਕਾਰਜਿ ਕੇਤੁ ॥

करि अनरथ दरबु संचिआ सो कारजि केतु ॥

Kar anrath ḏarab sancẖi▫ā so kāraj keṯ.

Practising oppression, thou hast amassed wealth, of what avail is that to thee, now?

ਜੈਸਾ ਬੀਜੈ ਸੋ ਲੁਣੈ ਕਰਮ ਇਹੁ ਖੇਤੁ ॥

जैसा बीजै सो लुणै करम इहु खेतु ॥

Jaisā bījai so luṇai karam ih kẖeṯ.

As the mortal sows so does he reap.

ਅਕਿਰਤਘਣਾ ਹਰਿ ਵਿਸਰਿਆ ਜੋਨੀ ਭਰਮੇਤੁ ॥੪॥

अकिरतघणा हरि विसरिआ जोनी भरमेतु ॥४॥

Akiraṯ▫gẖaṇā har visri▫ā jonī bẖarmeṯ. ||4||

This body is the field of actions, The ungrateful forget God and wander in existences.

SGGS Ang 706

ਪ੍ਰੇਤ ਭੂਤ ਸਭਿ ਦੂਜੈ ਲਾਏ ॥

प्रेत भूत सभि दूजै लाए ॥

Pareṯ bẖūṯ sabẖ ḏūjai lā▫e.

All the goblins and demons are attached to another.

SGGS Ang 841

Regarding joons:

ਸਾਰਗ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥

सारग महला ५ ॥

Sārag mėhlā 5.

Sarang 5th Guru.

ਕੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੇ ਪਾਪ ਕੇ ਬਹੁ ਕੋਟ ॥

कीन्हे पाप के बहु कोट ॥

Kīnĥe pāp ke baho kot.

Man does many millions of misdeeds.

ਦਿਨਸੁ ਰੈਨੀ ਥਕਤ ਨਾਹੀ ਕਤਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਛੋਟ ॥੧॥

ਰਹਾਉ ॥

दिनसु रैनी थकत नाही कतहि नाही छोट ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥

Ḏinas rainī thakaṯ nāhī kaṯėh nāhī cẖẖot. ||1|| rahā▫o.

Day and night, he is tired not of committing sins and so he can be released not ever. Pause.

ਮਹਾ ਬਜਰ ਬਿਖ ਬਿਆਧੀ ਸਿਰਿ ਉਠਾਈ ਪੋਟ ॥

महा बजर बिख बिआधी सिरि उठाई पोट ॥

Mahā bajar bikẖ bi▫āḏẖī sir uṯẖā▫ī pot.

He is carrying on his head, an exceedingly heavy bundle of agonising sins.

ਉਘਰਿ ਗਈਆਂ ਖਿਨਹਿ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਜਮਹਿ ਗ੍ਰਾਸੇ ਝੋਟ ॥੧॥

उघरि गईआं खिनहि भीतरि जमहि ग्रासे झोट ॥१॥

Ugẖar ga▫ī▫āʼn kẖinėh bẖīṯar jamėh garāse jẖot. ||1||

His sins are exposed in an instant, when the death's courier seizes him by the hair.

ਪਸੁ ਪਰੇਤ ਉਸਟ ਗਰਧਭ ਅਨਿਕ ਜੋਨੀ ਲੇਟ ॥

पसु परेत उसट गरधभ अनिक जोनी लेट ॥

Pas pareṯ usat garḏẖabẖ anik jonī let.

Hereafter he enters into the many existences of beast, ghost, camel and donkey.

ਭਜੁ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਿ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨਾਨਕ ਕਛੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੈ ਫੇਟ ॥੨॥੮੧॥੧੦੪॥

भजु साधसंगि गोबिंद नानक कछु न लागै फेट ॥२॥८१॥१०४॥

Bẖaj sāḏẖsang gobinḏ Nānak kacẖẖ na lāgai fet. ||2||81||104||

Contemplating the Lord in the saints ' Society, the mortal suffers no blow whatever.

SGGS Ang 1224

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