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i am not but i do paath daily,i am doing this since a year(wake up at amritvela and do paath) but nothing special has happened,now i am bit confused with the existance please help me if you can,if god exist i dnt want to leave path,but if it does not i dnt want to spend whole life in confusion.

I was thinking about the existance of god and how we know that the god exist.

Following points come in my mind:-

1.if waheguru loves us then why makes us suffer in the pains of birth and death,if i loved some one i will never do to him.or does this mean waheguru dnt love us.

2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

3.according to sikhi,human life form is the only way to reach waheguru,does that means that there was no mukti when humans does not exist.also are the humans only the intelligent creatures ie no aliens

4.according to sikhi god created the time and space and does not comes under it that means god has knowledge of all the three,present,past,future that means everything is pre planed by them,so why we do paath other things to reach god,we will reach them when our time comes to reach them.then why we follow religion

5.god can do anything right

Can god kill themself

Can god create a thing which he can't create

Can god kill imortal souls

Can god create another god more powerfull than them

If god cannot do every thing then god has limits,and as gurbani say god has no limits

I dont want to offend any one i still do paath,but want a reason to continue

Sorry for every thing

Please comment

Please help me i also want to keep up sikhi

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Singh how do you know nothing special has happened? The power of paat is something we can't describe especially as we don't know how much our daily nitem changes our daily routines/happenings.

Your post hits out a big thing which is this: singh je remember that Gurbani tells us Sukh and Dukh are one. Put it this way: our parents wouldn't want to see us "suffer" same way Guru Mahraji doesn't want to see us "suffer" hence why in reality we don't suffer pain etc. Instead its our minds playing games with us. Keep in mind always that sukh and dukh is one; happiness and sorrow are one. A very dull example is death. Look at it this way when someone dies we generally feel upset/pain due to loss of a friend/someone. But really death is just another ceremony we must go through and (this bit is a personal belief) those who die are been saved by Vaheguru je himself from the dirt this world is fast becoming. Whereas we are still getting burnt in fire day and night. Also never forget the power of Gurbani. We don't know ourselves but the paat we do does have a great impact on us. For example look at how many ardaasa and chapuai sahib paats the panth did for the chalidkala of the panth during bhai balwant singh ji's fansi protests etc. Every single ardas every single chapuai sahib paat strengthened the panth and continues to do so. Sorry if I have said anything wrong guru pyareo. Akaaaal

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Khalsa Ji

As humans we are God , i.e. eternal bliss where there is no suffering no pain just total unadulterated pleasure.

Owing to the creator's game we have fallen under the spell of maya and as such endure suffering. In order to get back to our real self one must follow the Gurmat path:

<a class="dict" href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਿਰਤਿ">ਕਿਰਤਿ ਕਰਮ ਕੇ ਵੀਛੁੜੇ ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਮੇਲਹੁ ਰਾਮ

Kiraṯ karam ke vīcẖẖuṛe kar kirpā melhu rām.

By the actions we have committed, we are separated from You. Please show Your Mercy, and unite us with Yourself, Lord.

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pata nai yaar raab hai ke nai mei ki nahi kita rab vaste.mei sirf raab nu hi apna manaya si,menu kadi apne maa,baap ya kise hor da pyar ni mileya.baas har vakat eh hi suneya ki mei hi bura va.jaado mei paath nahi si karda ta mei socheya ki kise nu parva nai meri,mei sucide karan di sochi si,phir mei socheya ki je mei kise hor da na ban sakeya ta guru da hi ban java.mei kai vari kine-kine der ro ro ke raab nu yaad kita.par kugh vi nahi hoya.mei eh keh ke chup kar janda kei meri yaad vich ki koi ghat hai.mei raab nu apna saab kugh maneya si.mei ta eh vi ardas kiti ki guru paave menu kugh vi naa do,pave mukti vi na do par ik vari menu darshan do ya apni presence feel kara do.ehdi to vaad mei hun ki kara.menu eh nai pata ki raab hai ya nai,par jekar raab hai vi ta oh mera darad te pyaar nai samaj paya.menu hun parva hi nai ki mera ki banega.ki mei joona vich java ya narka vich hun koi farak nai penda.hun mei koshis kara ga ki apne vaste jeeva apne aap na payar kara.nal ik aakhri gal jekar mei raab di jaga hunda ta kadi vi apne pyar nu dukhi na hone dinda.ik hor chees ho sakda ki guru ne mere vaste bahut kugh kita,te hun raab vich yakeen na rakh ke mei akritghan ban reh.jis nal mei dharti te boohj va.tusi es nu par ke apani life na kharab karo.

Baaki rai meri gal ta jo vi hoye ga dehki jaygi

I am now leaving this thing

If wish good luck for u.

Jekr aaj to baad mei paath vi karaga ta siraf tade layi kara ga.

Remember me :'/

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There is a god, that is why we are here.

main vi is traa sochdi hundi c, ke rab nai hai, kuch hunda kio nai, ina paat kardi, eh woh, rab kio nai sundeh. hun vi kehi vari kendi hundi ke rab kiteh hai, jad ini duki hoo.

Paji waheguru ji hege, je naa hunde twanu kich nai peni c is site teh aundi teh apne feelings dasan di.

tusi bureh nai hai, u are not bad, circumstances make us think we are bad. insaan de halaat jo hunde us nal asi apne aapnu maada samjan lag pende.

kise di banan di lorh nai, waheguru da bano, te Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji nu mano. Maharaj ji apay twanu apna banalende jad asi usnu yaad rakugeh.

kehi vari lagda sanu keh rab sundeh nai, par sianeh kende neh, "Rab de ghar deharh hai, andehr nai".

This means is sometimes takes time for waheguru to gift us with something, and remember it is not always that they should gift us with khushian and sukh. The dukh we receive is part of our karm, which we should accept. Once we start accepting our karms, then waheguru will do mehar on us.

There are people that have waited long long time for waheguru's blessings. i have waited over 15yrs for something, maybe almost 20, but have realised that my karms play a big part in my dukh.

All we can do is keep doing ardas and I feel when i stop asking, there is less tension on myself, and waheguru's name seems so sweet, that i do not want to ask for anything. There are lots of bhagats and people that do paat day and night and for years, so i think to myself, why should waheguru give something to me, when those people are happy with what they have. They live in waheguru's hukam, and i have also started accepting that, when we realise to keep in their hukam, then only will life be less stressful on us. Its not easy, but we should not give up, if you knew exactly how dukhi i was, u wouldnt believe.

Its brothers and sisters from this forum that give me support now and have from the beginning. to be honest without this forum, i would have been much a worser state.

Please do not get depressed, if you eve want to talk, dont be afraid, its good to talk our problems to others who will listen, as they are also sent by waheguru.

See waheguru does exist, as everybody that has read your post, are sent by god to help you.

i feel we shouldnt be asking god for their darshan, god doesnt give darshan on demands. they give darshan when u least expect it. Mangna chad deo, fikar na karo, rab twanu darshan dinde ke nai, rab sareh pase hai. physical darshan di lorh nai. Je tusi darshan lene rab de, gurdware jao, Maharaj ji moreh matha teko, te apay darshan miljande, othe twanu darshan milugeh, hor kitho nai.

Maharaj de kol bhetke darbar sahib ch paat suno jad granthi karde, te samjo ke waheguru tade nal bolde. That is the real darshan. and jo tusi amritvele utde hai, darshan miljande, twanu ki pata waheguru tade nal nai bhete hunde? jad tusi paat karde odo rab de darshan milde, kio ke jo gurbani vich hai, oh sab rab tho, waheguru, akaal purakh, sache paatshah tho gurbani ayi hai direct.

tusi dharti te bauj nai, je ida hunda, fir asi sareh dharti te bauj haa. dharti teh bauj koi ni hunda, sirf sade halaat, jo dukh zindagi ch milda, us nal sanu mehsoos hunda asi bauj hai kio ke sade control ch nai hunda kuch. jad sanu confidence hundi, te apne te yakeen hunda fir asi bauj nai samjde fir zindagi changi lagdi.

Dont worry we will remember you, but dont leave paat. without paat, ur life is nothing. je paat karna te kuch mangan nu naa karo. apna farz samjke kari jaoo. zaruri ni hunda ke paat kuch paun nu jaa ke koi cheej le karna penda.

veko kine amritdhari brothers and sisters hai, jo paat karde duty samajke. Matlab le paat kade ni karna chidaa...kio ke sab kuch pela hi waheguru da hai, te una di marzi hai jo una ne sanu dena te ki nai dena. isliye we are the beggars and they are the givers. Asi hai mangte, te waheguru hai daata.

Waheguru....

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Veerji.. Try listening to Katha by sant jarnail Singh ji, sant kartar Singh ji and sant gurbachan Singh ji bhindrawale. Maybe the reason for you thinking that you've done path and haven't felt anything difference, could possibly be that you haven't understood what gurbani may be saying? Katha will strongly help you understand the 'arth' of gurbani and relate to real life situations and Kirtan will definatly help keep your Mann shaant:)

Jee ki birtha hoye so gur peh ardas kar

When your soul is feeling sad, offer your prayers to guru ji:)

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maybe you are right,par mei aapne bare kise dasa pata nai mei kiho jeha pagal hai.mera mind thori thori der baad change ho janda.kadi ta eh lagad ki waheguru ki meri care karde te sirf mei una vaaste hi life jeeva,par kadi mera mind pura ulta feel karda te mei eh keh dina ki waheguru hai hi nai,parso raat nu mei eh keh reha si ki raab nai hai phir kal saveer nu mafi mag leha si phir pata ni ki ho gaya raat nu phir kehn laga ki waheguru nai hai,te phir hun taadi post par ke eh lagda ki maafi manga.par hun ta eh ik pakhand hi ban gaya.problem mei aap hai :(

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Veerji guru Sahib warga koi nahi hai. He undertands and feels your pain.. he wants you to realise he is there! Guru sahjb tests us in life to see how much bharosa we have in him. And this maybe your test. I strongly urge you to listen to Katha...please do.. It will totally help!.. Start with giani thakur Singh jis Katha.. (its usually more basic and easier to understand). Guru ji is closer to us than our own hands.. We just dont seem to understand. Guru Sahib is the ultimate forgiver.. He will totally forgive you even if you did say that you don't believe in him. We think our mother is forgiving... Guru Sahib is just beyond words!!:D

Terai bharosai pyaare main laad ladeya

Bhoolai chukai barak tu har pita maeya

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i always listen to shabads in the morning and every night i do paat and my soul feels relaxed , sometimes when i think it dosen't work i remember that no matter what happens the guru is with you meaning all of us , through happy and sad times and we should thank him for the wonderful life he has given us and we should never stop appreciating for what he has done , when i say my guru's name , i know that he will be with me and keep me happy for as long as i live , sabh to baddha , sata guru nanak dev ji

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i am not but i do paath daily,i am doing this since a year(wake up at amritvela and do paath) but nothing special has happened,now i am bit confused with the existance please help me if you can,if god exist i dnt want to leave path,but if it does not i dnt want to spend whole life in confusion.

I was thinking about the existance of god and how we know that the god exist.

Following points come in my mind:-

1.if waheguru loves us then why makes us suffer in the pains of birth and death,if i loved some one i will never do to him.or does this mean waheguru dnt love us.

2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

3.according to sikhi,human life form is the only way to reach waheguru,does that means that there was no mukti when humans does not exist.also are the humans only the intelligent creatures ie no aliens

4.according to sikhi god created the time and space and does not comes under it that means god has knowledge of all the three,present,past,future that means everything is pre planed by them,so why we do paath other things to reach god,we will reach them when our time comes to reach them.then why we follow religion

5.god can do anything right

Can god kill themself

Can god create a thing which he can't create

Can god kill imortal souls

Can god create another god more powerfull than them

If god cannot do every thing then god has limits,and as gurbani say god has no limits

I dont want to offend any one i still do paath,but want a reason to continue

Sorry for every thing

Please comment

Please help me i also want to keep up sikhi

it will take years for something special to happen

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1. Birth and death are all about you and your ego, you should praise god every moment to go 'beyond.'

2. There is no such thing as an obstacle. All 'obstacles' are defined in perspective. All 'obstacles' are really just events. All 'obstacles' have good and bad qualities.

3. I am not to sure about this one apart from it meaning that there is literally a possibility to join with god from the human life.

4. Religion is usually a praise of god.

5. 'He' probably could do the things you mentioned but doesn't want to do them.

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i am not but i do paath daily,i am doing this since a year(wake up at amritvela and do paath) but nothing special has happened,now i am bit confused with the existance please help me if you can,if god exist i dnt want to leave path,but if it does not i dnt want to spend whole life in confusion.

I was thinking about the existance of god and how we know that the god exist.

Following points come in my mind:-

1.if waheguru loves us then why makes us suffer in the pains of birth and death,if i loved some one i will never do to him.or does this mean waheguru dnt love us.

Everything Satnaam ji does is for our betterment. He teaching us lessons and communicating with us every minute, we are the sinners who choose to ignore Him- we turn our backs on Him, it is never the other way round for He is here right in front of us literally staring us in the face.

Everyone, everything you see and everything you don't is God. He does everything, we are just puppets in his wonderful beautiful khel- He is us and we are Him..

He Himself sat for many many ages to discover that He is Sat- Truth. Every moment He is giving us the opperunity every moment to discover the same and to live the Truth. We do not complain that we haven't had darshans or flown around different realms on golden pelicans- that is not the aim of life- that is still maya(illusion which is everything in image and within the 6 senses.).

The Truth is Nothing- It is so simple and humble- it has no image, no form, is infinite, fearless and All loving- it is a frequency of Nothingness beyond what maya dwellers can comprehend.

We have darshan of Him as our mothers and fathers, our friends, our slanderers and tormentors. Whether He comes to us as our lover, competitor or obstacle, we simply say, 'God I can see you'- Bas tuhee tu.

2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

We are God's most beloved. What He discovered after many ages was the master- a Psychology called Truth(=Nothing). When He discovered it, He applied it, he lived it and lives it to this day- Hence, He Is it.

Now it's our turn- think about it- He Loves us so much that he has given us the oppertunity to discover what He did- He has given us the most priceless gift- so amazingly beautiful that we cannot even comprehend it's beauty..

When he beats us, he beats us back towards this gift, He doesn't feed us dukhi because He hates us, He does it because He Loves us. When we fools decide to run back to maya and are fed dukh, we turn back to Him. He has devised this khel for us- our lives, each individual story of ours, because he loves us. Without Him living Truth, the whole game shuts down.

We are only set free if we truly deserve it, we must prove that we can apply truth throughout our lives, throughout anything.

We never tell a lie, not even a white lie- We Speak Truth, Deliver Truth, Serve Truth, Die Truth. We apply the gyan of gurbani 24/7 as we keep moving along the path..

We always keep to the gurbani laws of Nirboah and Nirvair- recognsing Him as everything and fearlessly accepting Him no matter how controversial He may appear(how much he may beat us in one of his many costumes).

3.according to sikhi,human life form is the only way to reach waheguru,does that means that there was no mukti when humans does not exist.also are the humans only the intelligent creatures ie no aliens

Aliens exist. Human janam on earth is our chance to gain jivan mukhti- Even Gods and goddesses are incarnated on earth for this opportunity- it is a priceless jewel to be born as human into this test world.

4.according to sikhi god created the time and space and does not comes under it that means god has knowledge of all the three,present,past,future that means everything is pre planed by them,so why we do paath other things to reach god,we will reach them when our time comes to reach them.then why we follow religion

You're applying too much logic- Gurbani doesn't say do a whole load of path. The gyan in Guru Granth Sahib- Gurbani- is Guru. We read what He teaches us, then we apply what we've been taught throughout our natural life.

Gurbani says to do bhagti- your questions are answered from within when you deserve to know the answers. Hukam is master and is Truth. What God does does not always make sense to our minds- it is only once we rid ourselves of our identities(ego) that our mind is eradicated, as are the 5 theives. Then we are beyond the wordly constraints of logic and only live our infinite true hearts (which are the entire creation and beyond- our heart is His heart) and begin to understand why our stories are written the way they are- and we are able to accept hukam as perfect, as Truth, as Him.

Relax and listen to the frequency of silence/Truth(Anhad naad). Anhad naad is naam- it is symbolic reflection of silence- of the Truth of Nothingness- for even sound is illusion. Satnaam- Truth is His name.

The key is to let go and let the samadhi take you over. Once we do this, we begin to understand the world around us. God is in 24 hr samadhi- he is still learning. The discoveries are infinite but the perfection of the heart is within reach.

5.god can do anything right

Can god kill themself

God is already dead- he recognised himself to be nothing- hence he is beyond births and deaths.

Can god create a thing which he can't create

There is Nothing He can't do.

Can god kill imortal souls

A truly immortal soul is a jivan mukht- one who is beyond births and deaths- in light of this, what would there be to kill..

Can god create another god more powerfull than them

God is the lowest of the low- He has become Nothing. That is the highest power.

If god cannot do every thing then god has limits,and as gurbani say god has no limits

God has no limits, He is infinite and All powerful.

I dont want to offend any one i still do paath,but want a reason to continue

What reason is there to stay in maya when she ultimately teaches us how to ruin ourselves? It's either Truth or Maya.

Sorry for every thing

Please comment

Please help me i also want to keep up sikhi

God bless you

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"2.why they created so much vikars and obstacles in this world it just make more difficult to reach them do they simply want us to stuck here or we are just their toys(sorry for this)

We are God's most beloved. What He discovered after many ages was the master- a Psychology called Truth(=Nothing). When He discovered it, He applied it, he lived it and lives it to this day- Hence, He Is it.

Now it's our turn- think about it- He Loves us so much that he has given us the oppertunity to discover what He did- He has given us the most priceless gift- so amazingly beautiful that we cannot even comprehend it's beauty..

When he beats us, he beats us back towards this gift, He doesn't feed us dukhi because He hates us, He does it because He Loves us. When we fools decide to run back to maya and are fed dukh, we turn back to Him. He has devised this khel for us- our lives, each individual story of ours, because he loves us. Without Him living Truth, the whole game shuts down.

We are only set free if we truly deserve it, we must prove that we can apply truth throughout our lives, throughout anything.

We never tell a lie, not even a white lie- We Speak Truth, Deliver Truth, Serve Truth, Die Truth. We apply the gyan of gurbani 24/7 as we keep moving along the path..

We always keep to the gurbani laws of Nirboah and Nirvair- recognsing Him as everything and fearlessly accepting Him no matter how controversial He may appear(how much he may beat us in one of his many costumes)."

What I don't understand is if waheguru loves us why is it unfortunate kids being born in the world who don't have a fighting chance. They are born with diseases why if there past karma are so bad they have no chance to redeem. Like the image comes to mind of Africa but this happens in our motherland of Punjab and all over the subcontinent. They live a horrible existance and die even before they can do anything like pray or good deeds. I'm a parent and i would never ever want a child to go through pain so as we are all waheguru ji s why does this happen that a new born ok there past karma I don't know but in this life they suffer so much and die before even being given the chance to redeem themselves. WHY ? Please I need to know this answer from Sikhism perspective .

Are the parents being punished or it can't be the baby as they have not even had a chance to do bad in this life?

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What I don't understand is if waheguru loves us why is it unfortunate kids being born in the world who don't have a fighting chance. They are born with diseases why if there past karma are so bad they have no chance to redeem. Like the image comes to mind of Africa but this happens in our motherland of Punjab and all over the subcontinent. They live a horrible existance and die even before they can do anything like pray or good deeds. I'm a parent and i would never ever want a child to go through pain so as we are all waheguru ji s why does this happen that a new born ok there past karma I don't know but in this life they suffer so much and die before even being given the chance to redeem themselves. WHY ? Please I need to know this answer from Sikhism perspective .

Are the parents being punished or it can't be the baby as they have not even had a chance to do bad in this life?

During the Guru's times, little children and newborn babies were being cut apart and strung into necklaces- their mothers were forced to wear them around their necks..

Think of it this way... Some of those children may have committed rape in their past lives, or slandered/ tortured and killed a saint, committed mass murder as an evil emporer or worse.. They may have revelled in and become too attached to worldly pleasures(worldly sukh or maya) which the Gurus describe as poison- as a disease- and hence forgotten God. Them not remembering is part of their karam- their parents suffering is part of the parents karam.

No matter what happens to us- we Always deserve what we get- there is always a reason for every single thing that happens to us.

The reason they don't get a chance to redeem themselves in a janam is also part of their karam. When a child dies in this way, a huge part of their bad karams(result of past misdeeds) is washed away. The more dukhi we are fed, the more our karams are washed away. Even the Bhagats went through a huge amount of pain both physically and spiritually(when negativity hits a bhagat- it is a most uncomfortable feeling).

When we finally truly detach from worldly sukh- (recognising the fact that the more sukh we live- we get an equal amount of dukh-and we therefore stop craving sukh), we wash the remaining karams of dukh by living in the balance and are finally set free(jivan mukht). Only when we begin to see pleasure and pain as One(as God- pleasure plus pain= the whole=Balance=God ) do we get freed of the vicious cycle of wordly dukh and sukh- of births and deaths- of positive and negative. When we Recognise God in All- in the light and the dark- in the happiness and sadness- then we are psychologically sound in Truth.

Become dead while alive. Finally recognise this priceless life, gifted to us after millions of janams for what it is- a Test. It is a game to discover the Truth- a priceless gift that other lifeforms scream to have. In this janam- we must die whilst alive- to have no desires, no complaints- but to recognise All as perfect- as Hukam and as Truth, as our Beloved- as our Gurus did while being burned alive on hotplates and with boiling water- like Jesus did while being nailed alive to a cross.

Nirboah and Nirvair means a Fearless Love. That is True, unconditional Love without bargaining.

Truly embark on the path of bhagti- for we must not just read gyan- that is like reading a recipe but not making anything. We must apply it throughout our natural lives- we must Live the gyan of Gurbani, and by living it, Become It like the Gurus and true bhagats before us did..

Only then will we truly understand what the Gurus have taught us for we would have experienced it for ourselves.

God bless you

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      SÂBR
      is meeting those who deserted
      you, with a smile on your lips,
      even though your tears are one
      step away from exposing you.
      SÂBR
      is staying silent because you’ve
      already stated your point too
      many times before.
      SÂBR
      is conforming to someone’s demand because of their right over you.
      SÂBR
      is fulfilling the rights of others
      even when they transgress
      against yours.
      SÂBR
      is crying about your heartache in
      front of God and no one else.
      SÂBR
      is believing wholeheartedly that
      God has beautiful things in
      store for you.
      SÂBR
      is crawling forward even when
      you want to stop.
      SÂBR
      is an active state of being,
      it is not a theory to simply be
      discussed and forgotten....   ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------          
    • I agree that Punjabi has its roots in Sanskrit and in fact holds more importance over Farsi, but that doesn't mean Farsi should be cast aside. If we cannot agree on the degree of connection between Punjabi and Farsi then a consideration should be made as to where the bar is set for Sikhs in pursuit of it specifically, if not for the writings of Bhai Nand Lal Ji, then at least for Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Zafarnama. On the topic of academic pursuits, an effort should be made without question to acquire good hand knowledge of Sanskrit. It's worth mentioning that Vedic Sanskrit and Old Persian actually share some similarities.   Punjabi, aside from having loanwords, also shares the same word order as Farsi - Subject, Object, Verb. Although this could well be a coincidence, I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't. What has given you the impression that anyone in this thread has an inferiority complex? For the majority of us, Punjabi is our maa boli and takes precedence over any other language. The fact that some have a piqued interest in a secondary language which unquestionably has had a significant influence on our mother tongue, whether through conquest or not, does not all of sudden warrant the accusation that one has an inferiority complex. Punjabi has many dialects, some which are more Persianized and some which are more Sanskritized, and even that doesn't determine how Punjabi is spoken - a lot of it is down to personal preference and exposure. I have yet to find someone who speaks Pre-Persian Punjabi or has completely removed any Persian influence. Punjabi during the emergence of Sikhi most likely already had quite a degree of Persian influence, possibly not as much as today, but it still had it nonetheless. It has evolved like most languages and we are talking about the form relative to Punjabis and Sikhs throughout early modern history and current day. My DNA test didn't tell me anything I didn't already know, and had it come back with higher percentage of Indigenous Indian, the topic of Punjabis/Sikhs learning Farsi would still be under discussion and actually already has been. Likewise, the fact that many Punjabis are more ethnically Persian doesn't mean we are denying our actual heritage - Bharati. While I despise the politics of modern day India, the fact remains that Punjab culturally, geographically, linguistically, socially, and religiously was, is, and will always be a part of Bharat despite any land borders past, present, or future, and any political designations. A fact that many Sikhs find bitter, and a fact which if in agreement with, will also surely cause the term 'inferiority complex' to be bandied about. Anyway, it's not as if I've been suggesting we all apply for Iranian Citizenship at the earliest possible chance and start stuffing our faces with kabobs now is it. These days in order to qualify as someone who doesn't have an inferiority complex, you must be a Pro-Khalistani Singh Sabhia who follows Reform 'Sikhism', and believe all Sikhs appeared on earth through immaculate conception and came with their own pure culture and divine language which to this day has been entirely uninfluenced by outside factors.  ! پیروزی به هندوستان
    • Not wise to carry unlicensed fire arms in western non-sikh modern societies even if they are unloaded and just used for ceremonial purposes. Allowing it would mean there would be a free for all by every community wanting to do the same. Have to draw the line somewhere
    • Strange case this. 1) First this juggi guy is involved in the nerverforget84 website raising awareness of the Sikh genocide by the Indians yet goes to india punjab even knowing the type corrupt and brutal undemocratic anti-human rights establishment that still exists there. Why take the risk? 2)The turbanned Sikh MP of slough who is seemingly is seen as a pro-sikh human rights advocate is more concerned about railway than life and treatment of a fellow british Sikh detained by indian authorities. 3) British Sikhs are again doing useless fruitless protests rather than taking lawful direct action or using international human rights and law bodies to detain indian officials / assets until they release the british citizen. So like the british govt detained iranian offcials connected to their regime few years ago so the iranian regime detained the british iranian spy woman working for MI6 naznine. Iranians want their officials released and the £450 million debt uk govt owes to the iranian govt to be paid in full. Similarly Indian officials when visiting the UK should be given a citizens arrest and detained for the crimes of corrupt Indian regime/establishment against Sikhs and other minorities within the Indian union.  
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