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What is happening with the Sikhs of today ???

If sant baba says jump in the ocean and after you see the mermaids, - Guru Nanak Ji will appear. So we all go and do just that !!!??

We have our utmost faith in babaji's statement- regardless of what Guru Nanakji HIMSELF preached ??

Khalsa Ji Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa Bhindranwale isn't any sant baba. He's was a Jathedaar of Damdami Taksal.

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This taksal is nirmala taksal more hindu oriented then sikhism.

They don't know basic facts of the history and they claim they know about who was who in previous birth.

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This taksal is nirmala taksal more hindu oriented then sikhism.

They don't know basic facts of the history and they claim they know about who was who in previous birth.

And I suppose according to you, along with the Taksaal, the Udasi, Nirmala, Sewapanthi, Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa, Bhai Daya Singh Samparda and all the puraatan Samparda's are also wrong in this belief? Have you heard Khalsa Moolmantar? http://www.sikhnet.com/gurbani/audio/khalsa-mool-mantar

Let us know what you think. Even Bhagat Kabir Ji (with Mata Loi Ji) came back to receive amrit from Dasve Patshah Ji.

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What's this supposed to mean? Is this some scientific equation or something??????????????

Bro, it's not about equations. It's about the understanding that the Panj Pyare were not random people, but mahaan Mahapursh who had un-ending kamai from time infinite.

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Bhai Daya Singh Ji - Luv (Son of Bhagwan Ramchandar Ji Maharaj)

Bhai Dharam Singh Ji - Bhagat Dhanna Ji

Bhai Himmat Singh Ji - Phandak (The hunter ("Biyaad") who captured "Chattarbhuj Panchhi Bhagwan")

Bhai Mohkam Singh Ji - Bhagat Namdev Ji

Bhai Sahib Singh Ji - Bhagat Sain Ji

Thanks for the correct matches. Obviously I was off. Would you also know about the incarnations of the 4 Sahibzades?

I'm not sure if the Sahibzade Sahibaans are avtars, though I have heard Brahma, Vishnu, Shiv and Indar, but am not too sure

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And I suppose according to you, along with the Taksaal, the Udasi, Nirmala, Sewapanthi, Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa, Bhai Daya Singh Samparda and all the puraatan Samparda's are also wrong in this belief? Have you heard Khalsa Moolmantar? http://www.sikhnet.com/gurbani/audio/khalsa-mool-mantar

Let us know what you think. Even Bhagat Kabir Ji (with Mata Loi Ji) came back to receive amrit from Dasve Patshah Ji.

waheguru ji....heard this from Giani Thakur Singh ji's katha..........but nobody's gonna believe this here.....they need logical proofs that can satisfy their limited knowledge....

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And I suppose according to you, along with the Taksaal, the Udasi, Nirmala, Sewapanthi, Akali Nihang Singh Khalsa, Bhai Daya Singh Samparda and all the puraatan Samparda's are also wrong in this belief? Have you heard Khalsa Moolmantar? http://www.sikhnet.com/gurbani/audio/khalsa-mool-mantar

Let us know what you think. Even Bhagat Kabir Ji (with Mata Loi Ji) came back to receive amrit from Dasve Patshah Ji.

Koi ji, Bhagat Kabeer ji came back to take amrit amusing.

Gurbani is called dhoor di baani, if you understand the meaning.

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I'm not sure if the Sahibzade Sahibaans are avtars, though I have heard Brahma, Vishnu, Shiv and Indar, but am not too sure

When I was a kid there was talk of the 5 Pyaare being the Pandavas (from Mahabharata) and Guru Sahib being Vasudev Krishan!

A part of me bows in complete reverance to the bachchans of Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawale because...well, to praise them wouldn't even be enough. Then there's the other side of me which says that going by that rationale (i.e. 5 Pyaare were previously gods, etc) that anybody notable - apart from Guru Sahibs - in Sikh history who have achieved greatness hasn't been due to their efforts in overcoming obstacles and transcending their humble beginnings, but they were pre-ordained for greatness because of their previous existence as Hindu gods. Does anyone appreciate the danger in this? It sends out the message that only the divine can achieve anything of note in Sikhi --- the average man who wasn't a powerful god or bhagat in a previous life is basically reduced to scrabbling around searching for spiritual scraps in the hope of becoming somebody, but forever doomed to mediocrity or nothingness because he lacks that divine patronage from high above. Surely this philosophy is in complete opposition to the fundamentals of Sikhi?

Nevertheless, as I said previosuly, I have no problem in believing in such bachchans if they are true. I'm sure there's certain deficiencies in myself that allows such small doubts to enter my mind.

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waheguru ji....heard this from Giani Thakur Singh ji's katha..........but nobody's gonna believe this here.....they need logical proofs that can satisfy their limited knowledge....

Please hear and understand from our living Guru, Guru Granth Sahib Ji to increase your "limited knowledge."

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We are ALL learners and learning.

But we have to use common sense and basic gurmat to know if we are learning the correct information or not.

The DDT's seem to just pay attention to the jathedar's quotes that they like,or the one's that make them feel food- but they forget that plenty of ridiculous ones were made as well.

I am not speaking with high or low regards for anyone, but Guruji has given us a brain with some basic logic.

Sikhism is mainly about basic logic and was meant to be simple for the simple man, unlike the vedas that only the educated Brahmins were entitled to know

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Most of the time people write that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib send his sikhs to Dhirmal

for Aad Granth so they can compile another Granth but at the time of establishing of

Khalsa sikhs were ordered to not have any relations with Dhirmalia.

If Guru ji has given an order how could he himself send his sikhs to a man with whom all relations of sikhs has been forbidden.

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Most of the time people write that Guru Gobind Singh Sahib send his sikhs to Dhirmal

for Aad Granth so they can compile another Granth but at the time of establishing of

Khalsa sikhs were ordered to not have any relations with Dhirmalia.

If Guru ji has given an order how could he himself send his sikhs to a man with whom all relations of sikhs has been forbidden.

Not sure when exactly Guru Ji forbidded Sikhs to have any relations with Dhirmalias, I doubt it was when Khalsa was established. Maybe someone can clairfy the exact date.

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I don't think its ALL about reason and logic. If that was the point then I would've spent my entire life without taking Amrit and looking for reason and logic behind religons. Its when I stopped doing things on my own and started to accept His Hukam that I was blessed with Amrit. If we could understand everything with logic and reason then we would think that our matt is greater than everything else. I don't think we can consider ourselves dhoor of Guru Ji's charan when we have that manmukh thinking that we can figure everything with our brain. We can definitely understand with logic and reason which is what makes us different from other species and which is why we are entangled by our karmas unlike animals who are just here to go through dukh sukh. Can anyone (using reason and logic) explain what happened to the saroops of 1st and 10th Gurus? There are numerous events in the history of Guru Ghar that can not be explained with just reason and logic because they're beyond our comprehension. I guess everyone is entitled to their beliefs and opinions :D

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