Four Of The 5 Pyaaray Were Not Punjabi

[Sukhvirk1976]

Even guru gobind singh ji was born outside of the punjab.. 

[CanadianSingh]

You have a very good point. Actually, before the partition had happened there were Sindhi Sikhs from the region Sindh who were devoted to Guru Nanak and Sikhi, but after the partition, these people assimilated into Sikhism. I always hear North Indian Sikhs making fun of South Indians and such, but they should realize there are South Indian Sikhs and others in India. Like there are Bengali Sikhs, Assamese Sikhs who were the descendants of the Khalsa or Sikh Soldiers who intermarried with the Assamese locals, Sikhligars who live everywhere in India, I think Tibetan Sikhs, and etc. Also, there are Pashtun Sikhs as well! Funny thing these people never abandoned their Sikhi even though they have been isolated. When I see a photo of the Sikhligars or the Assamese I always see most of them have kirpans, patka's, and etc while us Punjabi's who have been exposed to Sikhi still are majority Mona's, who drink alcohol and etc. 

The issue is why there isn't that many foreign Sikhs is due to the fact that Sikhism really doesn't care about getting followers like they didn't send missionaries and such. The ideas were spread through by Sikh travelers, and people often say why Sikhism are mostly Punjabi due to the fact we didn't actively convert that many people, another issue is that 3H0, its controversial due to the fact that its more like a new age movement like Osho, and it had a lot of things that Sikhism opposed like ritualism, and etc. Which is why when you see a Gora Sikh they would get negative press because Punjabi's would assume they are from 3HO, but in fact some Sikh's just stumble upon Sikhism, not from 3H0. 

The issue is that culture is affecting Sikhi, and we have to bash it. Like Guru Nanak said women are equal, yet there are Punjabi Songs degarding women as whores, or sluts. Guru Nanak said that sons and daughters are equal, yet ironically Punjabi has the highest infanticide rates in India! We also say there is no caste, but we have caste attach to our names like my name for example. Honestly, it blows my mind how when I ask my friends about Sikhi they think that Sikhism is meant for the Jatts, they have that cultural mentality in my opinion. For me I never knew I was a "Jatt" Sikh until last year when a girl asked me. Sikhism has a lot of potential, but we got to remove the weeds and vines of this dangerous culture that is affecting Sikhi.

[CanadianSingh]

On 4/23/2017 at 2:16 AM, AjeetSinghPunjabi said:

Yet again, like the last 10 yrs we're here fighting on cyber space with out keystrokes ! 

come on guys, we need to remember history but not so much that we keep talking about that only ! 

smell the coffee, wake up , lets use the cyber space for good of sikhi lets becomes one  

lets see the challenge that is inevitable if things go like this

1) Sikhs becoming minority ! (because christians come on doordarshan punjabi , preaching in punjabi and "jesus satguru" and langar in churches, at peak viewing hour)

2) RSS attacks our faith with petty remarks that would falter away like melter butter if we just knew basics of our faith and also of their faith (Upanishads are an interesting spiritual read I would recommend to everyone)

3) Drugs is spoiling our name and rep 

4) Apostasy all time high . We need to capture the blitz and fashion industry and carve a niche where full kesadhari is the "new se xy" .pardon my words but our youths are gonna go away if a handsome young dude in hair cut and cool clothes comes up and is portryed as more cool while our pajama type guys are portrayed as buffoons for bollywood. Time for "smart sardaar"

Why can't we have a rule in punjab , that atleast when it comes to fashion advertisements , either in print media, social media, tv or billboards, we need full kesadhari cool looking sikh mundey and kudia . Preaching is not gonna reach to ignorant youth of ours 

5) YoYo Honey Singh and the likes are just ruining our community and our language ! Stop patronizing them ! They fed out of punjab , Punjabi language gave them platform but now they lambast the same language ! 

You got very good points, and every Sikh on these forums agree, but  the issue is how can we stop this. I mean the issue is that Sikhism has to be reunited when the British came in and tried to convert us only a few converted, but we sticked together and infact a Singh Sabha was made to protect Sikhi, now after the partition and the insurgency, we have become weak. My feeling is that we can't save some of the Sikh's of this generation, but we can train the next to carry on our torch. We have to work together to fix these things like caste, gender discrimination, and rituals. We need someone to make a movement like the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singh_Sabha_Movement and make it a 2.0. We have to remove the old generation that are spreading these lies such as caste and such. We have to remove these corrupt committees who don't care about God, but instead they are just being trapped by Maya or Mukti and being controlled by   lobh (greed) they just care about money and god. We need a Singh Sabha Movement 2.0 led by fellow Sikh's we can work together, but we need organization, but I feel that it will never happen, and there will be another post saying that we need a movement, but we gotta find a way.

[BhForce]

On 4/22/2017 at 9:23 PM, guruvah said:

Prove that Bhagats who were already in sachkhand by Dasmesh Jee's time, had to be reborn!

They didn't have  to be reborn, bro. (I not not even necessarily accepting the narrative that they were bhagats in previous lives, but still.) If they were reborn bhagats, there's nothing doctrinally wrong with that.

ਜਨਮ ਮਰਣ ਦੁਹਹੂ ਮਹਿ ਨਾਹੀ ਜਨ ਪਰਉਪਕਾਰੀ ਆਏ ॥

Janam Maran Dhuhehoo Mehi Naahee Jan Paroupakaaree Aaeae ||

Those generous, humble beings are above both birth and death.

ਜੀਅ ਦਾਨੁ ਦੇ ਭਗਤੀ ਲਾਇਨਿ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਉ ਲੈਨਿ ਮਿਲਾਏ ॥੨॥

Jeea Dhaan Dhae Bhagathee Laaein Har Sio Lain Milaaeae ||2||

They give the gift of the soul, and practice devotional worship; they inspire others to meet the Lord. ||2||

ਸੂਹੀ (ਮਃ ੫) (੫੪) ੨:੨ - ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੭੪੯ ਪੰ. ੩ 
Raag Suhi Guru Arjan Dev

 

They come to Earth as parupkar (helping others). They don't come because they have to. Read the entire shabad. It pertains to saints. The saints can easily come and go:

 

ਐਸਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜੇ ਮਿਲੈ ਤੁਠਾ ਕਰੇ ਪਸਾਉ ॥

Aisa Sathigur Jae Milai Thutha Karae Pasao ||

If one meets such a True Guru, by His Pleasure, He shows His Mercy.

ਮੁਕਤਿ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਮੋਕਲਾ ਸਹਜੇ ਆਵਉ ਜਾਉ ॥੧॥

Mukath Dhuara Mokala Sehajae Avo Jao ||1||

Then, the gate of liberation becomes wide open, and the soul can easily come and go. ||1||

p477
Raag Goojree Guru Amar Das

 

On 4/23/2017 at 5:39 AM, SinghSabha1699 said:

The majority of the Panth recognise the above DDT allegation against our Panj Piare as a denigration not only of the Panj Piare but also the highest of high Gurmukhs who authored Gurbani (who were already mukht).

I guess I can sort of see how you might think it to be denigration of the bhagats, but how is it denigration of the Punj Piyare? Are you saying that the Punj Piyare were never born before?

[SinghPunjabSingh]

On 4/23/2017 at 9:47 PM, 13Mirch said:

And the fact that mythologizing narratives was an accepted practice then should be enough to dissuade one from thinking that the Panj Piares were some incarnations.

Yes even though this narrative that the Panj Piare were Hindu reincarnations has been heavily pushed since Indira Gandhi was brought back to power in 1980, we as Sikhs need to repudiate these RSS lies. 

And instead recognise the unparalleled bravery of our Panj Piare from as far afield as Karnataka, Orissa, Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh and Sialkot.

On 4/14/2018 at 7:06 PM, TejS said:

I personally think Guru Sahib made it clear to us with the Panj Pyaare being from all corners of India what his intent for Sikhi was. He didn't want it to be restricted among Punjabi, and its unfortunate it has been so. And the culprits for this are us Punjabi. I personally think that we need to spread awareness among other communities. A significant non-Punjabi Sikh population are Sindhi people. They're very devoted to the Sikh Panth, however are also verging on Santana Dharmic ideals. A little more awareness among them would help them correct their ways. We also need to reach out to other communities, especially those that are related to the Panj Pyaare and also those not related as well. Most individuals from the Panth will say that this is proselytization, but I disagree. If you won't spread awareness, how will one know about it?

Yes Vaisakhi should be 100% all about spreading knowledge of 1699 and nowadays educating folks outside Punjab about what Sikhi represents in terms of what it can achieve for humanity. 

On 4/27/2018 at 1:23 AM, Sukhvirk1976 said:

Even guru gobind singh ji was born outside of the punjab.. 

As well as Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji who to the Muslims was a "Bihari Chuhra" but to our Qaum has always been the Highest of the High for their bravery and dedication to Sikhi. We need to make the millions of Bihari's in Punjab aware of these facts and others like 1699 and accept millions of them as new primarily sehajdhari members of the Sikh Panth and go out of our way to welcome them in our Gurdwara Sangats and teach their children Punjabi, Gurbani and Itihaas.

https://barusahib.org/general/after-being-rejected-dalit-turned-sikhs/

On 4/27/2018 at 8:59 AM, BhForce said:

I guess I can sort of see how you might think it to be denigration of the bhagats, but how is it denigration of the Punj Piyare?

It essentially implies that the Panj Piare were not brave in their own right but their fictitious RSS-created supposed Hindu previous incarnations that led them to stand up and offer their heads at Vaisakhi 1699.

But anyway brother may I wish you and all the entire Sangat:

Khalsa Sajna Diwas diah Lakh Lakh Vadhaiyan

 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 4/13/2022 at 9:25 PM, SinghPunjabSingh said:

Yes even though this narrative that the Panj Piare were Hindu reincarnations has been heavily pushed since Indira Gandhi was brought back to power in 1980, we as Sikhs need to repudiate these RSS lies. 

And instead recognise the unparalleled bravery of our Panj Piare from as far afield as Karnataka, Orissa, Gujarat, Uttar Pradesh and Sialkot.

Yes Vaisakhi should be 100% all about spreading knowledge of 1699 and nowadays educating folks outside Punjab about what Sikhi represents in terms of what it can achieve for humanity. 

As well as Shaheed Bhai Jiwan Singh Ji who to the Muslims was a "Bihari Chuhra" but to our Qaum has always been the Highest of the High for their bravery and dedication to Sikhi. We need to make the millions of Bihari's in Punjab aware of these facts and others like 1699 and accept millions of them as new primarily sehajdhari members of the Sikh Panth and go out of our way to welcome them in our Gurdwara Sangats and teach their children Punjabi, Gurbani and Itihaas.

https://barusahib.org/general/after-being-rejected-dalit-turned-sikhs/

It essentially implies that the Panj Piare were not brave in their own right but their fictitious RSS-created supposed Hindu previous incarnations that led them to stand up and offer their heads at Vaisakhi 1699.

But anyway brother may I wish you and all the entire Sangat:

Khalsa Sajna Diwas diah Lakh Lakh Vadhaiyan

 

This Paanth wont flourish until you march the casteists and racists out of it. It's cancer not just dead weight. 

[SinghPunjabSingh]

21 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

This Panth wont flourish until you march the casteists and racists out of it. It's cancer not just dead weight. 

100% agree with you bro. There can be no room for racists and casteists within the Panth.

Anybody that espouses racist or casteist viewpoints is exposing that they have no understanding of what Sikhi or Vaisakhi 1699 stands for. Christianity, Islam are openly racist religions by virtue of their own scriptures and how they enslaved and killed tens of milions of innocent black African men, women and children the same can be said of casteist Hindu scriptures. As Sikhs there is no justification or excuse!

[GurjantGnostic]

3 hours ago, SinghPunjabSingh said:

100% agree with you bro. There can be no room for racists and casteists within the Panth.

Anybody that espouses racist or casteist viewpoints is exposing that they have no understanding of what Sikhi or Vaisakhi 1699 stands for. Christianity, Islam are openly racist religions by virtue of their own scriptures and how they enslaved and killed tens of milions of innocent black African men, women and children the same can be said of casteist Hindu scriptures. As Sikhs there is no justification or excuse!

I'd like your post but I can't, appreciate you. I'll read here and post elsewhere. 

[SinghPunjabSingh]

On 4/18/2022 at 5:06 AM, GurjantGnostic said:

I'd like your post but I can't appreciate you. 

Thanks brother and proud of you for your Parchaar to our African American brothers and sisters in your neck of the woods.

[GurjantGnostic]

Just now, SinghPunjabSingh said:

Thanks brother and proud of you for your Parchaar to our African American brothers and sisters in your neck of the woods.

Amen bro. The line went down at work so I spent two hours doing Parchar instead. Lol. 

Now the online black community we're interfacing with as a touch point, will have two local brothers from here in it. 

Got to speak to a young christian girl about what she noticed me doing, Bhagti, and how to apply that to her spiritual relationship with Jesus, which she's seperated from any church involvement due to the ramoant hypocrisy and empty practices. 

Things have been very blessed, Har Kirpa, Including you touching base and returning right when you did Veer Ji.