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Why Does Waheguru Keep Testing Me?

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My faith is shaken- no matter what I do- seva, paart, nothing goes right. I see people all around me, who haven't got or can't be bothered to make time for waheguru yet they have it all. No worries in their lives. Why is my life filled with them? Abused by my uncle at a young age, I still believed, married into a family who make my life s misery, I still believe, debt up to my ears so that I can give my children what they need, I still believe. When is waheguru going to listen to my pleas? Please tell me that waheguru will support me through this difficult time- don't think I can take much more.

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Those people you are talking about who you think have it easy have paid up their bad karma and paap in narak before they took birth into this life, thats why its easier for them. But because they are still lost and in doubt they are making their karma bad again for their next life. You must have had bad karma in your previous life, Naam erases bad karma slowly or quickly depending on how much Gurbani we sing with love to intensify the Naam. Gurbani Supports the Naam, it empowers the Naam, so the more Bani we have inside the more the more effective the Naam will be and the more we can control the power of it. Naam takes worldly pain away and you just have to be patient. You may not know it but you are taking small amounts of pain away from your life, so your life could have been worse without Gurbani and Naam. Keep on doing Sukhmani Sahibs and Jap Naam everytime, at night in bed, in the morning, afternoon etc everywhere you go keep on practicing it with every breath and in the mind. Take time out to do seated Bhagti of Naam too and in between you can continue Sukhmani Sahib.

Another tip, go to a Ransbai and Jap Naam there too and join in with the Kirtan.

Keep this in mind, Gursikhs in India have been through worse. They have been tortured by the police all their life but they never gave up or doubted Truth (Gurmat/Sikhi/Amrit). It still happens now to Gursikhs in India. I understand you're feeling misery and pain but we question Vaheguru too much when Vaheguru has put Gursikhs/Shaheeds through worse.

As long as an Amritdhari keeps faith in Gurbani, Guru Sahib will help you. Keep doing Ardas too.

Gor duK´M Aink hq´M jnm dwirdRM mhw ibK´wdM ] ghor dhukhya(n) anik hathya(n) janam dhaaridhra(n) mehaa bikhyaadha(n) || Excruciating pain, countless killings, reincarnation, poverty and terrible misery imtMq sgl ismrMq hir nwm nwnk jYsy pwvk kwst BsmM kroiq ]18] mitta(n)th sagal simara(n)th har naam naanak jaisae paavak kaasatt bhasama(n) karoth ||18|| are all destroyed by meditating in remembrance on the Lord's Name, O Nanak, just as fire reduces piles of wood to ashes. ||18||

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I know it's tough but try not to do seva or the like with the intention of attaining something. Again I know that sounds like an impossibility but just say in your Ardaas "Do what you will with me but I won't stop believing in you. I'm doing whatever I'm doing because I want to, not because I have vested interests". So, if you ARE hoping for something in return you need to relinquish those thoughts.

Also if there's anyone you can talk to like professionals or doctors then you might feel better.

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gursikhs in india were tortutred brutallity n have been threw much worse n still r n those ppl who arent near god n are living happy lives is because they are building up bad karma . they had bad karma is past thats y they arent near god and they will have bad karma in the future . n good ppl have bad karma because if u did paap bad karma in a pastr bad life u will have to get rid of that bad karma in a good saint life . thas y theres alot of goodsaint ppl with bad problems .

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Bhenji sorry to hear u are going thru so much, I understand its very difficult time you are going through, but please dont keep it inside, try to talk to somebody about it, and get help with ur life. I know easier said than done, but it does help to talk, or see a professional. Have u ever had counselling for wat happened to you when u were younger? We sometimes think we are strong inside, but we are at the end of the day, human, and not perfect.

Try to approach ur doctor, I know people think wat will the doctor do, but they can guide u in the right direction to get counselling or some sort of help so you dont have to deal with this on ur own.

Waheguru will help you through this, as humans we will go through bad phases, where our faith is lowered, but its our past karms like others have said that we are dukhi.

We can help ourselves by doing simran, and to get help from those that are involved in our daily lives.

There is are organisations such as Kaur project, sikhhelpline, if you want to talk to somebody in confidence,or they can contact u back if u are not up to it.

Dont ever give up, and get as much help as u can from be it the council, doctor, finance advisors, wherever u can get it the more it contribute to making life a bit easier for you.

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Gurfateh ji

The more seva u do the more faster u will get the good, stuff in ur case happiness.

Gurfateh :)

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Its hard to say why you are going through bad things maybe its a frame of mind or past karam, i cant say i cant see your past. All i know is that you have the now.

Like some others have said, other people have been through worse, so maybe you can find solace in that, but you can only find peace and Sukh from simran, as without abiaas you cant control your mind, and on a micro level if you think about its your mind/thoughts you are upset with, No thoughts no dukh, the aim of life is to be above Mia which are thoughts.

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Hi I understand what your going through totally. I feel upset, angry and very bitter. Life is so unfair. I really feel and wish that waheguru just took me out if this world. It feels like my life is just always going to get worse. I have really tried. People around me that are bad land on their feet. I just want some happiness waheguru. I really want to be married and have kids and have a normal life. People always say there's light at the end of the tunnel but in my life the tunnel is always dark. It's so important that I get married and have kids. I have always had this dream and people are saying stuff to me now about me not being married. I just want to be normal.

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Hi I understand what your going through totally. I feel upset, angry and very bitter. Life is so unfair. I really feel and wish that waheguru just took me out if this world. It feels like my life is just always going to get worse. I have really tried. People around me that are bad land on their feet. I just want some happiness waheguru. I really want to be married and have kids and have a normal life. People always say there's light at the end of the tunnel but in my life the tunnel is always dark. It's so important that I get married and have kids. I have always had this dream and people are saying stuff to me now about me not being married. I just want to be normal.

It's not you but society at large is facing problems when it comes to marriage.

Just see the number of matrimonial sites & listings.

If you and your parents are unable to find a match on your own then it's better to seek services of a professional Match Maker.

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there is no one is the world... who is not suffering...... everyone has some or the other kind of tensions.....

there is no house in this world who has not suffered from the pain of lossing their dear ones.....

Life is all about happiness nad sorrow... who can say that people who do bad karam only suffers... Guru Gobind Singh g suffered alot... other sikh gurus also suffered..... was their karam bad datz y... not its not that....

Ek janam sambh lo.... pta ni duniya agle pichle janam nu leke kyo galla kardi...

Keep on doing good... je life ch takleef ni howegi .. no one will know what life is ... pain makes u mature...

Never fear from pain...... coz our gurus were fearless... they neva fear :D learn from them

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Thanks all. Just had enough. Things just get worse and worse. Nothing is getting better. I feel lost and confused. It's like we have not seen any happy days for years. We always help people. I am scared of the future. I can't handle anymore bad luck. I really need waheguru's help and I just want to ask for forgiveness for all the bad things me and my family have done in this life and in the past. Never thought my life would turn out like this. It's like someone has cast a evil spell on our family.

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Dont give up, its same with me, worse and worse.

I dont even know wat happiness is, just feel like an actress in a film doing th sad role.

but the film dont stop and the role never stops.

Only thing you can do is go to Maharaj ji, and ask for forgiveness in front of them. I have been too weak to go to gurdwara, and didn't want to as finding it so hard to physically move, and thought Wats the point when not got th strength. In th end, god knows how i got there the state me in and I mean i am bad now. The plan was to mtha tek n come back quickly, but god knows where the tears came from just flowing and flowing and had no idea who was in sangat or who was lookin, only realised when come back home. No matter how much controlled could not stop. I cant share wat happened next, sorry but when i came out wish i never came out and could stay forever. but all i will say is if you can make it to the gurdwara just go. Believe me that is the only place to be. If you can physically go gurdwara is only place you will feel better.

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There is a sakhi I heard of Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

There were two neighbors and after working one of them would always go to the Gurdwara Sahib to meet Guru Nanak Dev Ji and the other one would go to wrong places. One day, the one that was going to the Gurdwara got a thorn stuck in his feet. The other one ended up finding golden coins. So the man went to Guru Ji and said that he always comes to hazoori and does path but he got a thorn stuck in his feet whereas his neighbor doesn't go to Guru Ji and he found golden coins, why so? Guru Ji said that according to the man's karm, he was supposed to have a worse health problem but because he does path and goes to gurdwara he only got a thorn stuck in his feet. The neighbor was supposed to be very very rich but because he doesn't do path or go to Gurdwara he ended up with only a few golden coins.

I'm sorry if I made any mistakes I'm just restating the sakhi off of memory.

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Thanks all. Just had enough. Things just get worse and worse. Nothing is getting better. I feel lost and confused. It's like we have not seen any happy days for years. We always help people. I am scared of the future. I can't handle anymore bad luck. I really need waheguru's help and I just want to ask for forgiveness for all the bad things me and my family have done in this life and in the past. Never thought my life would turn out like this. It's like someone has cast a evil spell on our family.

waheguru ji......start playing sukhmani sahib ji's path in your house..24/7.........

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waheguru ji......start playing sukhmani sahib ji's path in your house..24/7.........

just a question- is this really beneficial as you would not be concentrating on the Part most of the time?

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I have heard this today too and that one of our relatives play it all the time. The only place is i am learning anything is from here. All these relatives make out they care etc, but they dont. Its good for them and good luck to them, but do any of them ever want to tell me about doing this? I would if it helps somebody to just have that knowledge. But i guess nobody likes me. What is it with relative why dnt they ever want to tell you the good things that would help you, its gods name, are people jealous of that too, so t hat it dont help somebody?

Apparently hanji it should make a difference, you reminded me guest i read a while ago that a mahapursh, can't remember which one said that Sukhmani Sahib ji should be played 24/7 to keep the bad things away. I like you thought that i dont be able to listen all day so how will it benefit me. But today learnt it should make difference as gods name will be continuous, even if its in one room.

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just a question- is this really beneficial as you would not be concentrating on the Part most of the time?

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਹ ||

Here is daas' two cents. Even if you're not able to pay attention to it all the time, you're still getting some laha out of it. And it won't hurt us to play it in our house even if we're not paying attention. Daas personally believes there is still phall in listening to Path even if there is no concentration because there are vibrations in Gurbani that will effect you regardless of whether you pay attention or not (although the more you concentrate the more laha there is). And if you personally believe it won't help if you don't pay attention, it certainly won't hurt you. So why not give it a try. :) Daas has personally tried and can say there is certainly a difference in one's life and it also depends on how much bharosa you have in Maharaj Jee.

Bhul Chuk Muaaf Jee

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just a question- is this really beneficial as you would not be concentrating on the Part most of the time?

yes waheguru ji......keep it going all te time......it'll change the environment of your sorroundings first.....

For example.....when there's a sick person a room....the room and patient smells bad due to the existence of germs.......same here.....the positive waves of continous path will change the atomospher to the positive side.....same liek the sarovar in the gurdwras can cure several diseases due to the continuity of the path and keertan,.,,,,,,,

some people says it's beadbi if you won't listen to it...I personally don't think so...we are kalyugi jeev....not very spiritual who can concentrate fully...odan vi tan saari kayanaat waheguru da naam literally jap rahi hai par aapan nu nai sunda kyonke othe tak paunche hi nahin.....

...is layi je 24 ghanteya vichon...ik pankti vi mann ne sun layi....waheguru ji di kirpa naal oh apne aap hi hor sunan lag javega te sab kuch badlan lag janda........don't push it on yourself otherwise your mind will try to run away from it....take it easy but do ardas........another benefit je kise hor na sun leya oda bhala ta hona hi hai..you'll get the commission as well.....punn ban jana jehrge bad karma nu saarhde ne.....

If you can read books......apart from this playing.......read Bhai Guriqbal Dingh ji kaulsarwale's "Sukhamni sahib diyan visheshtayiaan" or it has a recorded version as well....if you want to try.....below is the link.......I am not asking you to act on what Bhai sahib is saying...just listen to what he's saying..so many today's real life incidents.......Guru bhalla kare

http://www.sikhsangeet.com/albumid447-Guriqbal-Singh-(Gurdwara-Mata-Kaulan-Amritsar-Wale)-Sri-Sukhmani-Sahib-Ji-Diyan-Visheshtaian.html

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All these relatives make out they care etc, but they dont. Its good for them and good luck to them, but do any of them ever want to tell me about doing this? I would if it helps somebody to just have that knowledge. But i guess nobody likes me. What is it with relative why dnt they ever want to tell you the good things that would help you, its gods name, are people jealous of that too, so t hat it dont help somebody?

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waheguru ji....pehli gal ta je kise nu bina mangeya hi slaaha deyi jaoo....ona ne karna katrana kuch ni hunda ni....upar chi kehnde ne eh apne aap nu jada religious samjhada......kai loki ta ehi soch ke chup kar jande ne.....

is layi syanap ise vich hei ke je kise vich koi gun dikhda hai te chup kar ke usnu grehan kar lao....don't wait or complain.....

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@tuhintuhin i didnt understand anything u wrote, can u explain in english plz. its not a complaint, its the truth. and i dont think i have said anything wrong. nowadays people dont want to help, coz they are so paranoid they may catch something and yes there are people that only want everything themselves. There is a difference in the people of nowadays and the the true ones that really wanted to help somebody, they would have told me about playing Sukhmani SAhibji all day, but instead i have had to learn it thru a forum on the internet. Its easy for u to say dont wait dont complain, i dont complain, just stating the truth, which is probably perceived as complaining to you. You probably have nice relatives that do give good advice, but i dont, so obviously when there is no sianeh is my house, then it is the job of other sianeh to teach us and not just turn up to funerals. like how else am i suppose to know, i dont go out, i dont have no contact with nobody, instead of just calling up and asking if im still alive, they if they really want to give wise advise such as gods name. and if thats complaining i dont really care, coz everybodys out for themselves only, no matter how much u help them, they will never be there in ur worst time. I am actually grateful i have this site, and if nobody can take the truth in wat i say then thats not my problem. this is the only place i can air out my views, so y should i chup karke marjava? Try asking those that dont have no human contact at all wat its like to wait, coz thats all one can do wait wait wait, either for something gud to happen or for death.

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@tuhintuhin i didnt understand anything u wrote, can u explain in english plz. its not a complaint, its the truth. and i dont think i have said anything wrong. nowadays people dont want to help, coz they are so paranoid they may catch something and yes there are people that only want everything themselves. There is a difference in the people of nowadays and the the true ones that really wanted to help somebody, they would have told me about playing Sukhmani SAhibji all day, but instead i have had to learn it thru a forum on the internet. Its easy for u to say dont wait dont complain, i dont complain, just stating the truth, which is probably perceived as complaining to you. You probably have nice relatives that do give good advice, but i dont, so obviously when there is no sianeh is my house, then it is the job of other sianeh to teach us and not just turn up to funerals. like how else am i suppose to know, i dont go out, i dont have no contact with nobody, instead of just calling up and asking if im still alive, they if they really want to give wise advise such as gods name. and if thats complaining i dont really care, coz everybodys out for themselves only, no matter how much u help them, they will never be there in ur worst time. I am actually grateful i have this site, and if nobody can take the truth in wat i say then thats not my problem. this is the only place i can air out my views, so y should i chup karke marjava? Try asking those that dont have no human contact at all wat its like to wait, coz thats all one can do wait wait wait, either for something gud to happen or for death.

Jide naal koi nahi odhe naal rab hai.

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@tuhintuhin i didnt understand anything u wrote, can u explain in english plz. its not a complaint, its the truth. and i dont think i have said anything wrong. nowadays people dont want to help, coz they are so paranoid they may catch something and yes there are people that only want everything themselves. There is a difference in the people of nowadays and the the true ones that really wanted to help somebody, they would have told me about playing Sukhmani SAhibji all day, but instead i have had to learn it thru a forum on the internet. Its easy for u to say dont wait dont complain, i dont complain, just stating the truth, which is probably perceived as complaining to you. You probably have nice relatives that do give good advice, but i dont, so obviously when there is no sianeh is my house, then it is the job of other sianeh to teach us and not just turn up to funerals. like how else am i suppose to know, i dont go out, i dont have no contact with nobody, instead of just calling up and asking if im still alive, they if they really want to give wise advise such as gods name. and if thats complaining i dont really care, coz everybodys out for themselves only, no matter how much u help them, they will never be there in ur worst time. I am actually grateful i have this site, and if nobody can take the truth in wat i say then thats not my problem. this is the only place i can air out my views, so y should i chup karke marjava? Try asking those that dont have no human contact at all wat its like to wait, coz thats all one can do wait wait wait, either for something gud to happen or for death.

waheguru ji.....when we sometimes give suggestion or advise to people specifically about religion or humanity, 99 % thinks "oo...I know everything, who the hell are you to tell me......"....you can actually see their face expressions and figure out that you have just ended up wasting your time.........and it had happened to me several time always eneded up looking like a stupid...people actually don't want to talk about th religion.....if we visit someone on lunch or dinner...they'll do chugli, ninda, mazaak everything...as soon as someone starts about religion....noboby jumps in positively ..but pour in ninda, ninda and ninda of sants or anything that THEY think is not right.....even though they know nothing in reality....

so I have now stopped offering unwanted suggestions with relatives....coz in real life all realtives are jealous of eachother for some reason or other,,,,,,,,,

I've no seyane in house waheguru ji :) (with aspect to religion) these seyane want you to be sikh but in limits "oh you can't have dastaar on, and khanda on it ....no way.....just wear patka or something...oh you donated this much...tenu pata future ch ghar kiwein chaluna...etc etc"..they don't understand ke Guru ji will do everything.......... so I just listened Giani Thakur Singh ji, Bhai Guriqbal singh ji and mahapurkh deewan..........the best sangat....

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Oh okay, sorry dnt know if you penji or paji, but i appreciate it. I think maybe its easier to understand on here in than in real. Its probably because they dont understand the depth of it that other things to talk about are easier.

I welcome your advise, but my brain can't cope with too much depth now and some things only when i am lieng down and typing will be able to understand,not when i am sitting. Its just the simple things that one wishes somebody would have told when they do it all themselves. I mean they not like educated n all but they will go to places when they got everything, dont know wat they want, and never think oh maybe i could benefit from some knowledge or if they visit a mahapursh, they will never mention to me. Its like i always hear after from somebody else. Nobody has ever said from their heart that believe in god, do paat or listen to it. Some people seem to get everything like the original poster says without even doing paat. This is wat hurts me, how do they get it? Is it coincidence? karm?

And one of my rels s heard took lots of money to see a mahapursh, dnt know if they took it but they seem to have ythnng they ask for.so it affects my faith when i listen to paat so much and with pyar but not gettin more honsla. Lots of times i just want to die, its too hard to carry on, i got the tablets out now but dont have the guts to eat them. I can't do it no more, keep waiting and waiting and cant take th dukh no more, when listen to paat just before its too much to handle. I want it to end.

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      Southall had it from the early 80's Ranjeet. I didn't but everyone else around me did. People from Hounslow etc would call it the 'Southall innit accent' and I don't think any of us knew at the time how it would go on to become London's dominant accent. I remember at the time feeling bad how I wasn't speaking in the same way that all my friends and cousins had begun to speak. It made me feel bad but I put it down to the fact that I was spending way too little time doing 'southall things' and way too much time doing 'white things' (thinking back...kinda gayish camp things) such as reading poetry books while sitting in Highgate cemetery. I think that was my downfall. If I never did that I would have ended up speaking the way I should have ended up speaking. Thats actually quite interesting because it's always fascinated me how our perception of London manors and neighbourhoods is based entirely on man-made concepts of London Boroughs from the 1960's. For example, some council official in the 60's decided that a London Borough of Hounslow would be made and Brentford would be part of it. So now, when we think of Brentford we automatically associate it with Hounslow just because of that one decision from the 1960's. Historically however, Brentford, along with Boston Manor and Hanwell (W7) were positively joined at the hip with Southall and all 4 were considered extensions of each other. Another interesting point to remember is how we should salute our elders rather than critcise them for the way they pronounce 'Hounslow' and 'Southall'. These old timers from the pends back home have, without even knowing it, proven to be historically 100% accurate. We laughed and criticised them for prounouncing Hounslow as 'Hunslore' and Southall as 'Sultharle',  Nobody could ever have imagined how unbelievably right they are though for Hounslow is a modern day corruption of the original name of the town 'Hundslawe' and Southall is a modern day corruption of the original name of the town 'Sulaale; (Sir De Sulaale was given the plot of land we now know as Southall as a Knight's fee........A Knight's Fee in olde English Law is the equivalent of the olde Punjabi 'Jagir'. The greatest example of a Knights Fee (jagir) in our own Sikh history is the Manjki tract. It's fascinating.....all history is fascinating but this is truly fascinating....because this 'knight's fee' was given to the Dhaliwal Misl that raised the Nishan Sahib over the Red Fort in Delhi and therefore, in one fell swoop, ruled over the whole of the Indian sub-continent. To appease the Sikh misl, the mughals gave them a jagir (knight's fee) of a tract of land in Doaba. That land became to be known as the manjki tract and it;s inhabitants the manjki jats. Where it becomes really interesting is that 95% of the pioneer Sikhs in Southall, Canada, California and what was in the late 1800's the single biggest Sikh point of immigration: Australia (or 'Telia' as it became to be known in Punjabi) came from the Manjki tract) Oh definately full-blown 'Cockney' in the traditional sense Ranjeet. My mum's a classic example but its the same with many of my uncles and aunties born in Southall in the 1950's, 60's and early 70's.......From mid 70's onwards its a very different story. Southall's history actually gives us many clues as to how this phenomena came about. In the early 1900's right up untill the 60's it was a massive industrial hub. It was famous for 2 things...firstly for being the lunatic asylum capital of England and secondly for having 59% of it devoted to industry. Ignoring the major industries that chose Southall, particularly the International American brands that chose Southall as its base such as Johnson and Johnson, Quaker Oats and the German car maker Daimler Benz.....for the subject of this conversation we need to remember 2 things: the fact that Southall was a railway town and, most importantly, the Grand Union Canal (River Brent). The water, to be honest with you, defines the history of Southall and thus the history of the Sikhs of Southall more than anything else. For example, I'm sure everyone here has visited the massive and iconic Havelock Road Singh Sabha Gurdwara but who here realises that the very spot the Gurdwara sits was one, because of it's closeness to the water, was the site of Wedgewood's China plates factory complex ?  I mention that partly because that type of industry explains why Southall attracted so many Wesh people but obviously I'm digressing here because we're trying to explain the cockney element. From 1900 to 1930 (again because of Southall's river/canal connection) more than a dozen major brick, weaving and other factories moved out of Shoreditch in the East End of London and set themselves up in Southall. Their workers came with them. And their voices came with them too.
    • for my well-practiced ear (since I was born within sound of bow bells ( technically a cockney)  southall is more like the Essex accent rather than the true cockney accent (no apples and pears, jaffas or mutton phrases etc) . which makes sense as central line is direct link to the two halfs . One classic telltale sign is the constant use of innit as punctuation, you don't get that in Cockney it's used purely in sentence context. I agree there is a difference in vowel use and cadence south of the Water , I did three years there ,new cross, new cross gate, brockley (eldest born at Lewisham hospital),  it didn't take.