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Fatheh

How do people here recite simiran ?

I ask because i want too know more about 'breathing' simiran

and

other simiran techniques

fateh

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Daas feels very upset when ‘Amritdhari Gursikhs’ approach to me and ask ‘how do we do simran?’ Worst of all is when these Gursikhs have been Amritdhari for some time. Majority of the time Daas is led to believe it is not all their fault. Sikhi is a very spiritual religion, infact, probably the most spiritual religion ever created and ever to be created. However, how can we be spiritual and call ourselves Gursikhs without meditation (Simran).

Ik Pal Khin Visrehi Too(n) Suaamee Jaanao Baras Pachaasaa

If I were to forget You, for a moment, even for an instant, O Lord Master, it would be like fifty years for me.

Daas’ opinion is when Abhilaakees (Candidates for Amrit) go to take Amrit, it is the duty of the Panj Piaare (Five beloved ones) to teach these Gursikhs how to do Simran and the Panj Piaare should also be Jeevan vale Singhs, Abhiyaasee Singhs, (very spiritual). This is so they can inform the Abhilaakees about ups and downs that they may face in their lives, different stages of spirituality, Amritvela, Athai Pehar Simran (24 hours simran) etc, so, the Abhilaakees get a fine idea that the path they are going to tread on is not easy and it is the strict path of meditation, leading us in reunion with Vahiguroo again.

Daas is a firm believer in sharing Spiritual wisdom, as it improves our Jeevan (life) and someone else’s Jeevan aswell.

Aap Japo, Avraa Naam Japaavo

(Meditate yourself and inspire others to meditate).

HOW TO MEDITATE

If we have not been taught how to meditate by the Panj Piaare, Daas recommends one should go and present ourselves (pesh) to the five beloved ones, as they will teach us meditation. Daas know of one Jathebandee that carry’s out this type of practice, namely the Akhand Keertanee Jathaa, there may be more. All Panthik Panj Piaare should carry out this type of practice, for the upliftment of the Panth.

BASICS OF SIMRAN First of all we meditate out loud using our lips and tongue, as you can imagine this type of practice can not be carried out 24 hours a day (Athai Pehar).

KhaR Dargaihi Painaaeeai Mukh Har Naam Nivaas

They are dressed in robes of honor in the Court of the Lord; the Name of the Lord

is on their lips. 3

Secondly comes Swaas Swaas Simran. This is what the five beloved ones teach us, even this practice becomes difficult do 24 hours a day, because of worldly affairs etc. Bhai Raghbir Singh Bir, in Bandginama, talks about this practice, he says, “When you say Vah you breathe in and when you say Guroo you breathe out”

Saahi Saahi Thujh Sunmulaa Kudhae Na Visaaraeo

With each and every breath, I dwell upon You; I shall never forget You.

Third comes meditating in the mind and contemplating the Shabad. So, basically listening to the Mantar and contemplating it at the same time, this can only be achieved through dedication and plenty practice. When we contemplate the Shabad we think about how beautiful Vahiguroo is and he created this beautiful creation, automatically ‘Vah Vah’ (Great, Great) comes out of our mouth; this naturally gives us Naam Ras, Prem Ras, Amrit Ras. Daas will write about this subject in depth later on. Now this is the time we can do Simran Athai Pehar (24 hours) without anyone knowing what is going on inside, but we are in total ecstasy, people will know there is something different about us but they will not know what, as their spirits will be attracted to ours without their body knowing. AURA ENERGY PRESENCE.

Gurmukh Man Samjhaaeeai Aatham Raam Beechaar

The Gurmukhs train their minds to contemplate the Lord, the Supreme Soul. 2

Then comes the fourth stage when the concentration of the Shabad goes in to the Dasam Duaar, this is an amazing stage because life becomes very easy and meditation carries on by itself in Sehaj (peace). We just accept Guroo Sahibs Bhaana (will) as sweet, our mind is not affected by any negative thoughts or actions at all just Anand and Sehaj (peace and poise) total contentment. The concentration has reached the crown Chakraa and there is no coming back down, total upliftment. This stage comes with Mahaaraj’s blessings and past Karam (deeds) plus plenty of Abhiyaas.

Hirdhae Pargaas Giaan Gur Gunmith Gagan Manddal Mehi Dhiaanaanaa

My heart is illuminated by spiritual wisdom; meeting the Guru, I meditate in the Sky of the Tenth Gate.

Oodh Kaval Jis Hoe Pargaasaa Tin Sarab Niranjan Deethaa Jeeo

Those, whose inverted lotus of the crown chakra is illuminated, see the Immaculate Lord everywhere.

Daas would just like to finish off by saying Simran in Sikhi is not about technique for meditation, it is about loving the Lord Vahiguroo and what he created.

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I would advise you to:

> Close your eyes

> Focus/Listen to yourself saying 'Vaheguru'

This helps me alot and you should try breathing techniques e.g. say Vah when Inhaling and Guru when Exhaling.

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I would advise you to:

> Close your eyes

> Focus/Listen to yourself saying 'Vaheguru'

This helps me alot and you should try breathing techniques e.g. say Vah when Inhaling and Guru when Exhaling.

+1 this is what gurbani says how to do simran

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Questions for the Akhand Keertanee Jatha Singhs:

1) Why isit any other puratan jatha bandi does not give simran in a similar manner? (the taksals, nihang dals, and other jatha bandiya whos amrit sanchar are all very similar, in terms of naam, rehat and everything in the sanchaar.

2) who did satkaar yog, bhai sahib bhai randheer singh jee recieve gurmat naam from? are they the ones who brang about/revived this method? then who did they get it of too be revived?

3) Where in our ithiaas is such method mentioned or even hinted towards ( and i dnt mean just panktiaan with suaas suaas i mean zikar of gurooguroo)

You may answer this as it was all gupt, then the question a naturally arises; then as far as i know the amrit sanchaar was also gupt, then how isit that all jathabandiya practice one thing and the akhand keertanee jatha another (esp since the jatha has been around hardly 100years (if that?)); so the naam given by jatha is it puratan or new?

Pls can I have referenced replys (from ithaas, not bhai sahib jees books, but more like sooraj prakaash, panth prakaash, mehima prakaash, janamsakis, gur bilaas, gur sobha, sau/panj sakhi etc etc)

If the Admin deems necessary pls start a new topic.

Note regarding myself, I have been to Akhand Keertanee Jathaa amrit sanchaar, so know exactly how it is, i have also partaken in amrit sanchaars taken place in Harianvela Dal and DDT.

I await a response.

Dhanvaadh.

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Gupto Jee,

Any method that you use to meditate upon Naam-Waheguru is simran, any jugti that one decides to take will be a decision left to the individiual but most importantly the method of recitation of Waheguru will begin to develop and change as you reach higher avasthas. The naam jugthi that is taught at amrit sanchars is not of great importance in my opinion because this is a just method for you to begin at and develop on, the most important thing is that naam is given at all amrit sanchars irrelevant of which jatha is taking the seva....

The jugthi promoted by Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh was a method of japping naam which made it easier and simpler for a person to bring Gurmantar from recitation from the mouth to the heart centre...leading to saas giraas simran, letting the individual savour the sweetness of naam throughout the day and letting one listen to the dhuni of Waheguru....

As I've mentioned before as long as naam is given at amrit sanchars, the method shouldn't be debated as naam is naam and simran is simran at the end of the day. In addition to this, although many amrit sanchars do not give this method of simran, this is not relevant since as a gursikh continues to work hard at his abiyaas he will find that he goes beyond all these methods of simran and reaches a new profound level of simran.

This is just what I've gathered, forgive me for any mistakes.

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The naam jugthi that is taught at amrit sanchars is not of great importance in my opinion because this is a just method for you to begin at and develop on, the most important thing is that naam is given at all amrit sanchars irrelevant of which jatha is taking the seva....

So you're saying something that the Guru teaches you is not of great importance? That's like saying Gurbani is not of great importance.

Yes every amrit sanchar tells people that the gumrantar is naam but as they say, whats the point of being given keys to a mercedes if you don't know how to drive it? The Guru doesn't give an incomplete gift, he gives you naam and tells you what to do with it.

Obviously all amrit is equal, but while recieving that amrit, the most important thing is to learn how to implement what the Guru has just taught you, i.e. how to do simran.

The jugthi promoted by Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh was a method of japping naam which made it easier and simpler for a person to bring Gurmantar from recitation from the mouth to the heart centre...leading to saas giraas simran, letting the individual savour the sweetness of naam throughout the day and letting one listen to the dhuni of Waheguru....

I don't know what this mouth and heart centre business is about, its certainly not any jugti that Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji 'promoted' or that is given in amrit sanchars organised by AKJ.

As I've mentioned before as long as naam is given at amrit sanchars, the method shouldn't be debated as naam is naam and simran is simran at the end of the day. In addition to this, although many amrit sanchars do not give this method of simran, this is not relevant since as a gursikh continues to work hard at his abiyaas he will find that he goes beyond all these methods of simran and reaches a new profound level of simran.

Naam is naam, but as I've mentioned before, the Guru also needs to tell you how to jap naam, at the end of the day. How will the gursikh work hard at his abhiyaas if he doesn't even know how to do it?

Yes eventually all methods are gone, but the very first stage requires a process (technique), and this process is taught to us by Guru Sahib in the form of the Panj pyare.

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Don't listen to anyone, use your intuition, listen to your heart and do what feels true.

Im not trying to be rude, just to point out that people with these few are so fail imo, why would Guru shaibs go to such extents to teach how to meditate and talk to us about all the stages which come from doing abiaas, if all we need to guide us is *what we feel is right*.... Just think there are 5 vices in side of us i dont think anyone here has seen them, then if there un seen then how does 1 tackle them.. Well you go to someone who has and has defeated the Punj Choor, the biggest mistake people make is they think that there opinion on Matters of the Devine matter, im sorry they dont the rules and the Techniques to win this game have been laid out. So do yourself a favor and give up your smartness and follow Sat Guru Granth Shaib, as all the answers are within the writings of the gurus

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I don't know what this mouth and heart centre business is about, its certainly not any jugti that Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji 'promoted' or that is given in amrit sanchars organised by AKJ.

Maybe the person you have quoted didn't articulate themselves very well, but if you have read Bhai Rama Singh Jee's autobiography, they say that saas giraas simran is a method which helps naam reside in your hirdaa.

Also bhenji, your post came across as quite abrupt. I'm sure you didn't mean to be rude, but I think everyone posting here should remember that the amount of knowledge and experience that we have on this highly profound topic is next to nothing and our posts should reflect that.

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Maybe the person you have quoted didn't articulate themselves very well, but if you have read Bhai Rama Singh Jee's autobiography, they say that saas giraas simran is a method which helps naam reside in your hirdaa.

Also bhenji, your post came across as quite abrupt. I'm sure you didn't mean to be rude, but I think everyone posting here should remember that the amount of knowledge and experience that we have on this highly profound topic is next to nothing and our posts should reflect that.

Hirda is not heart its a place a little bit above the naabh (navel)

http://gurmatbibek.c...2,1152#msg-1152

Bhenji/paaji, maybe the person you quoted didn't articulate themselves very well but I don't think they meant to reflect anything bad. Anyway, it didn't come across as abrupt to me!

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Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Download Simran tracks that you like.

Then Jap along !

After some time when your tongue and mind are in focus, just stop the track.

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

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Hirda is not heart its a place a little bit above the naabh (navel)

http://gurmatbibek.c...2,1152#msg-1152

Bhenji/paaji, maybe the person you quoted didn't articulate themselves very well but I don't think they meant to reflect anything bad. Anyway, it didn't come across as abrupt to me!

Bhai Kahn Singh Nabhas definition says heart, as do a couple of others (which may be why a previous poster said heart) =)

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Vaheguru Jee,

When we are given naam and we are given a particular way to jap naam at the amrit sanchaar, it is wise to do it that way...nonetheless eventually one will realise that simran is way beyond, out of this closed box of a method of japping naam or a particular jugthi that simran must be done accordingly to because as per my understanding simran done with pyar is the highest and the most purest of jugti that Guru Sahib mentions is required for a true devotee...everything else and getting nitty gritty with "do it this way...no that way is wrong and that is right" doesn't seem something like Guru Jee is advocating...Forgive me jee for any mistakes, however I am only saying as per my understanding which is falliable.

It all comes down to the pyar and shardaa one has when doing simran....once this is understood then any jugthi is acceptable. When naam is given at an amrit sanchaar by Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj no matter whether it is at an akj,ddt amrit sanchar and whatever method is promoted......if pyar is there then that is the highest of all and the first and utmost requirement. Therefore, my point was to reiterate the fact that it is not right to condone anyone just because they are not doing simran a particular way as every individual's journey is different and special. Again.... as one advances in simran they will begin to realise that simran is beyond this and the question then comes down to who is doing the simran.

Bhull Chuk Maaf

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Mat Pulo Rai

Where did the Guru's get their gyan from?

Gurbani is the Guru my friend, it is not the image or the physical nature of the Granth Sahib, it is the gyan that lies within it.

The gyan of Gurbani was discovered by Guru Nanak Dev Ji, he discovered it in his heart, for as we all know, and as it stated in Gurbani, God sits in Every heart.

Gurbani says that the adult flamingos leave their children in youth and the young flamingos learn how to eat and fly themselves- it asks who teaches them this?

The answer to this question is obv. God.

In saying that we should not listen to our hearts, you are saying not to listen to the lessons that lie within and all around us each and every moment. God is communicating to us constantly, but we ignore him.

The Gurus acknowledged Him and lived the Truth that God himself lives, they merged into Him, All in One, as we are Him and He is us. They truly accepted All as One.

Truth is discovered when the mind dies and we don't just hear, but we Live and Become our True hearts which is Truth, it is God.

God is beyond logic, hence simply by reading bani, we do not become jivan mukht- it is the application of the gyan, which leads us to actually experience/discover the Gyan ourselves in the physical.

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Mat Pulo Rai

Where did the Guru's get their gyan from?

Gurbani is the Guru my friend, it is not the image or the physical nature of the Granth Sahib, it is the gyan that lies within it.

The gyan of Gurbani was discovered by Guru Nanak Dev Ji, he discovered it in his heart, for as we all know, and as it stated in Gurbani, God sits in Every heart.

Gurbani says that the adult flamingos leave their children in youth and the young flamingos learn how to eat and fly themselves- it asks who teaches them this?

The answer to this question is obv. God.

In saying that we should not listen to our hearts, you are saying not to listen to the lessons that lie within and all around us each and every moment. God is communicating to us constantly, but we ignore him.

The Gurus acknowledged Him and lived the Truth that God himself lives, they merged into Him, All in One, as we are Him and He is us. They truly accepted All as One.

Truth is discovered when the mind dies and we don't just hear, but we Live and Become our True hearts which is Truth, it is God.

God is beyond logic, hence simply by reading bani, we do not become jivan mukht- it is the application of the gyan, which leads us to actually experience/discover the Gyan ourselves in the physical.

Question is do you know the difference between when sat guru talks, Kaal, Atma and Punj Doot talk, Tbh i dont I am not fully aware of how they talk and what they communicate, so for me to say that i am 100% sure this is Mun talking or Punj Choor talking i would be idiotic, because i havent that knowledge. Do you see where I am going with this, im not one to give information on things i haven't achieved. Thats why people used to travel from miles away to Meet Guru Nanak to ask for the path to Salvation, now to say that God is in the heart and thats how Guru shaibs attend it is a Bold statement, Ive never heard of this, what ive read is that Guru Nanak was God him self, why would he need to search his heart to find himself??

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Just do simran with full focus on it for now if you are starting, however you enjoy it, with breath or any other way. just do loads and loads when starting off. aim for quality, but quality will come sometime within the quantity...try stop the mind from running to other thoughts. just do naam simran all the time.. try diff ways and see what helps you most.

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simran is simran init..just do it..lol

vahguroo vahguroo, jap that loads and that and c wat u get.....yeh do it on ur breath if that is wat you like or feel you want to do...do it wat way you like..i dont know about techniques. just do ardas for guidance. see wat hapens brother

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Mat Puolo Rai

The answer is that the gyan of Truth is very simple(as it is most humble). The Truth is that All is Nothing. When you can accept that and can live this gyan- then you're living your True Heart- this is true Love.

God discovered himself to be the all pervading Nothing after many ages(read gurbani about this)-everything that appears to be a Something is an illusion- it's all just really Him.

When you live the gyan that All is Nothing/Sat/God, you are living beyond logic(silence of the mind- the mind is the origin of logic- Logic and the mind is your identity( and all the 5 theives that come with) it i.e sense of self i.e ego- hence without silencing the mind, the 5 theives and maya cannot be overcome), therefore you're Only living your real heart which is actually the entire creation- All you see and All you don't- it's all the most Humble, most simple Nothing- which is how we become the lowest of the low- the reality is that we are Nothing.

Recognise Him in your heart and recognise Him in your heart as the entire creation and All that is and the gyan will come. Accept Him and His Truth as being All fearlessly- no matter how much he may send slander your way, how much He may hit you and beat you- it's all just Hukam, it's all just a Gurprasadi khel, created to lead you to become the lowest of all, and straight into His arms. It is all just a Game of Love.

When you practice His truth, when you recognise Him as both your slanderer and the one who gives you praise, as the dukh and the sukh, the gyan will start flowing and you'll go deeper and deeper into yourself to discover(Love) Him- regardless of who he dresses up as to try and hold you back and delude you back into maya(test).

You'll see the lessons and tests all around you, you'll be accepting of His hukam(again, a fearless love as we must be fearless to love and accept our slanderers and enemies as Him and keep moving along the path) as every scenario you're placed in within this khel is just Him-you'll hear His line of communication.

Practicing what you preach is easy if you recognise Him as All- we rise when we practice Truth and fall in moments that we forget our slanderers and dukhi is just Him teaching us a fault still exists within us. You are me and I am you, the gyan of Truth is simple- All is Him.

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I read what you said, seemed overly poetic but hay everyone has there own way of expressing one's self, I haven't got a problem with that, as for the 5 can not be conquered, your holy misconstruing what Gur Bani is saying about what the Game is

Gurbani says "Kaam Kroad Loub Moa Geeto asiy Kead Piaari" Translated "Win over the 5 this is the game of love" As for we are all one I know that ive studied Gurbani for a while now and its obvious we dont exist. That doesn't mean our actions dont mean anything Baji dont get it mixed, having understanding of what God is doesn't mean that you have Won, well your very far ahead of most in understanding but again this doesn't save you from Life and rebirth as God has made it that our Sins or Good deeds are what we are judged on (i.e has made it that he him self judges him self and send himself in to life and rebirth, only due to free will) this will go on till VaheGuru Merges everything back in to him self.

So my advice it to move forward from where you are and now try win these 5 and conquer your mind and through this will you truly find Such within your heart.

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Until we completly disappear (ego is gone) then who is going to be aware of their actions? Then actions will not matter as vasnas will have no control over 'you'.. But until then control, concentration etc are qualities that will be helpful in moving forward on this path.

The world's appearance is subjective hence if there is no preceiver then there is no karma, death and rebirth. A wise person (brahmgiani) will know this and has removed himself from this vicious cycle.

Until then one must attune himself to the truth/naam and find out this for himself. Gurbani needs to be practiced and not just read. True knowledge is satvic but with the help of gyan (gurbani) the three gunas can be transcended.

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I read what you said, seemed overly poetic but hay everyone has there own way of expressing one's self, I haven't got a problem with that, as for the 5 can not be conquered, your holy misconstruing what Gur Bani is saying about what the Game is

Gurbani says "Kaam Kroad Loub Moa Geeto asiy Kead Piaari" Translated "Win over the 5 this is the game of love"-

Yes and to win over the 5, the silencing of the mind/ego is required- then the thieves die with it. To do this, one remains in truth and goes within the self throughout all the tests He puts forward. Hence winning over the 5 thieves is indeed a game of love- a game of fearless love- He fearlessly feeds us our karam, no matter how controversial it may appear(even if we end up angry at him- hence it's fearless on His part-it's all Him loving us and leading us to Him.) and we love Him enough to keep moving down the path of the silencing of the mind/theives no matter how much dukhi we come across and how much worldly sukh may try to delude us.

As for we are all one I know that ive studied Gurbani for a while now and its obvious we dont exist. That doesn't mean our actions dont mean anything Baji dont get it mixed, having understanding of what God is doesn't mean that you have Won, well your very far ahead of most in understanding but again this doesn't save you from Life and rebirth as God has made it that our Sins or Good deeds are what we are judged on (i.e has made it that he him self judges him self and send himself in to life and rebirth, only due to free will) this will go on till VaheGuru Merges everything back in to him self.

Yes of course our deeds do matter- we do bandgi on this path continuously (slavery to Him/Sat as opposed to being slaves of maya)- fighting our selves i.e our minds at every step of the way.

Be assured that the heart can be pure whilst we understand our Lord to be pervading everywhere, whilst we understand this to be nothing more than a Gurprasadi khel designed for us to discover Truth- when this gyan is applied and practiced, this within itself is the silencing of the mind- where this Truth is practiced, we remain psychologically sound.

Tell me, how can the thieves touch you when you realise and accept your greatest enemy to be Him. Who and what will you be jealous of when you understand all to be Him? Who and what would you be angry at, attached to, greedy for, lustful for and what would you desire and be egostistical of if you practice the Truth that All including Yourself if nothing more than Him. I'm not saying just read gurbani, I am saying Apply it. Practice this Truth through your heart.

The more we practice, the more our minds shutup, the more we discover and the more we pass our tests until one day- He decides that we become jivan mukht- be it in this life, the next, or the next 8 after that.......it is Never down to us, it's His hukam Only. We accept because we are, always have been and always will be Nothing, we are Nothing but His unconditional slaves- hence His unconditional lovers. We are held up by His love.

When we shed the manmat self willed lifestyle and begin to live in and accept His Hukam- discovering Sat as He wills it- living constantly in Naam (i.e Truth, i.e Him)- that is when selfishness begins to cease, when the desires of the ego that keep the mind a slave to maya begin to die, (This includes the desire to become jivan mukht)-that's when we become absorbed in Him.

To live in the moment, content in Truth, keeps us pure. The discoveries of God are endless and infinte, just like Him, but the purity of the heart is within reach.

So my advice it to move forward from where you are and now try win these 5 and conquer your mind and through this will you truly find Such within your heart.

Ive found Him already- He never left- I will continue to be a slave at His feet- and the rest of the discoveries are His hukam.

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