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hgsingh    35

Kluivert stop trying to insult me cause I exposed how dumb you are

Could you explain were I was shown up???

And could you explain why a brain dead person wouldn't fall for niddar singh's lies and you did

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Gurfateh

Firstly Dasmeh Patshah told us to train in gatka, and he has done it in there times, and it may be practised by Rajput Hindu's but, our Guru said for us to lear it aswell so just understand and do what there Hukam says, dont argue, Fateh

Half of u guys have alot of ego man!

@Mrkhalsa007 @hgsingh

on behalf of the the others on here, u guys r MUGS! ppl like u make me laugh sooo hard.

1) for u to compare gatka to shasta vidya is an insult! gatka, whilst is good health wise and self defence-wise, but into warfare, gatka is not even on the same level as shastar vidya. gatka translates as stick play, shastar vidya was used on the battle field to KILL the opponent, not to just dance around in a circle, with a big stick. gatka is an exhibition, shastar vidya is there to hurt n eliminate enemies.

@hgsingh

2)rajputs were taken over by islamic invaders because at that point, the rajputs of that paticular generation had lost their martial tradition, and knowledge of shastar vidya.

3)Its a FACT that guru hargobind was taught shastar vidya by sum elite rajput princes in return for freeing their kind in gwalior, coz rajputs kept this knowledge of shastar vidya, to themselve.

4)the reason nihangs were forced into hiding when british took over, and cudnt use shastar vidya, in order to retaliate, is because after the british annexed Panjab, they had a mini genocide of nihangs, who they shot on sight, so many nihangs were forced into jungles.

5)Also along with shastar vidya, dasam granth, raag vidya (science of music) was banned by the british, as this was what gave sikhs the warrior power, and if removed, the sikhs would forget their identity and source of power. Also this is why there isno dasam granth inside Golden Temple, as they were removed, yet inside Non-Panjab Gurdwara Takhts (Patna Sahib -Bihar and Hazoor Sahib-Nanded) There is dasam granth, as the british never bothered with sikhs there.

now if you look at kirtan done at the gurdwara, have u seen raagis playing the following instruments, Saranda? Taus? Dilruba? NO, thats because the british banned them, and force fed us that incredibly boring instrument, vajaa (harmonium), which is a french instrument, not hindustani. Saranda was an instrument invented by guru arjan dev ji, dilruba/taus was invented by guru gobind singh, and now what do we have to show for their inventions, nothing! Raag Vidya was practiced especialy by Khalsa sikhs and sufis, now that Sufis have gon to pakistan, we have lost the knowledge and authenticity of the technique. Just like how we have lost genuine raag vidya, we have lost SHASTAR VIDYA, and now theres controversy over dasam granth. Had the british never meddled, then there wud b no conspiracies and doubts about whats original, genuine etc.

for u to almost (if i understand ur opinion correctly) imply that our gurus never did shastar vidya, is n insult to our faith, u should be thrown off this site.

i'll find some references of this, im sure there are hanging around on the net.

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http://www.gatka.de/.../shastar-vidya/

here we are, explaining some of my points.

Luckily there are some groups/ppl who are trying to bring back raag vidya traditional instruments - watch the first two videos especially, lovly jubbly!

especially watch the Rabab/Saranda video, at 4:02 listen to wat Professor Surinder Singh Says.

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Cisco_Singh    547

Cisco_singh you only try to insult me cause I showed how dumb people like you are

As well I never said its a fake martial art but niddar singh learned from hindu rajputs or from nihangs who learned the martial art from hindu rajputs or south india

It's already clear that Niddar Singh learned from a Nihang it clearly states it on his website that his Gurdev was Akali Baba Mohinder Singh. It's also clear that Sikhs did not invent the art it's thousands of years old and the belief system is that the Vidiya in it's pure form oiriginated from Atam Dev/Akaal/Shiva/Mahakaal.

You'll also find on various Nihang websites that they believe the Vidiya was entrusted to Guru Nanak Dev Ji, and passed to Baba Buddah who in turned passed it Guru Hargobind. How do you explain why tenchniques, strategy and methods enshrined in the Shastar Vidiya system are described in Sarbloh Granth and Dasam Granth ??

You can see a direct quote from the Shastar Vidiya website below:

"'This 'Vidiya' (knowledge of Shastar Vidiya) was started amongst the Sikhs by Guru Hargobind. Guru Hargobind was taught this Vidiya by Baba Buddha Ji. The master of all the vidiya (Knowledge) of the Guru's house was Baba Buddha Ji. He had attained the vidiya from Guru Nanak. He [baba Buddha Ji], taught the vidiya because the Muslims and Brahmins done such an evil deed that they martyred Guru Arjan Dev [fifth Sikh Guru] by making him sit on a hot metal sheet. That is why, with the blessing of Baba Buddha Ji, Guru Hargobind was born [to destroy evil]. He [baba Buddha Ji], had all the spiritual knowledge, and all other knowledge of Mantra Vidiya, Tantra Vidiya, this Chatka Gatka Vidiya* the giver of all knowledge was Baba Buddha Ji.'

(Nihang Baba Ram Singh, transcript of interview, 16th April 1998)"

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Kluivert stop trying to insult me cause I exposed how dumb you are

Could you explain were I was shown up???

And could you explain why a brain dead person wouldn't fall for niddar singh's lies and you did

You serous with you insults?

Copy and pasting the same insult to different people does make you intelligent?

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“Cisco_singh you only try to insult me cause I showed how dumb people like you are”

Same thing over and over again.

I have magical powers and I can predict you next post.

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If I go and see Niddar i will make him cry,”

Mate change your insult at least show a bit of intelligence in your discussions.

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@Mrkhalsa007 @hgsingh

on behalf of the the others on here, u guys r MUGS! ppl like u make me laugh sooo hard.

1) for u to compare gatka to shasta vidya is an insult! gatka, whilst is good health wise and self defence-wise, but into warfare, gatka is not even on the same level as shastar vidya. gatka translates as stick play, shastar vidya was used on the battle field to KILL the opponent, not to just dance around in a circle, with a big stick. gatka is an exhibition, shastar vidya is there to hurt n eliminate enemies.

@hgsingh

2)rajputs were taken over by islamic invaders because at that point, the rajputs of that paticular generation had lost their martial tradition, and knowledge of shastar vidya.

3)Its a FACT that guru hargobind was taught shastar vidya by sum elite rajput princes in return for freeing their kind in gwalior, coz rajputs kept this knowledge of shastar vidya, to themselve.

4)the reason nihangs were forced into hiding when british took over, and cudnt use shastar vidya, in order to retaliate, is because after the british annexed Panjab, they had a mini genocide of nihangs, who they shot on sight, so many nihangs were forced into jungles.

5)Also along with shastar vidya, dasam granth, raag vidya (science of music) was banned by the british, as this was what gave sikhs the warrior power, and if removed, the sikhs would forget their identity and source of power. Also this is why there isno dasam granth inside Golden Temple, as they were removed, yet inside Non-Panjab Gurdwara Takhts (Patna Sahib -Bihar and Hazoor Sahib-Nanded) There is dasam granth, as the british never bothered with sikhs there.

now if you look at kirtan done at the gurdwara, have u seen raagis playing the following instruments, Saranda? Taus? Dilruba? NO, thats because the british banned them, and force fed us that incredibly boring instrument, vajaa (harmonium), which is a french instrument, not hindustani. Saranda was an instrument invented by guru arjan dev ji, dilruba/taus was invented by guru gobind singh, and now what do we have to show for their inventions, nothing! Raag Vidya was practiced especialy by Khalsa sikhs and sufis, now that Sufis have gon to pakistan, we have lost the knowledge and authenticity of the technique. Just like how we have lost genuine raag vidya, we have lost SHASTAR VIDYA, and now theres controversy over dasam granth. Had the british never meddled, then there wud b no conspiracies and doubts about whats original, genuine etc.

for u to almost (if i understand ur opinion correctly) imply that our gurus never did shastar vidya, is n insult to our faith, u should be thrown off this site.

i'll find some references of this, im sure there are hanging around on the net.

well said KOP bro...its time we returned to the authentic original traditions practised by the khalsa before the arrival of the british....i cant believe how some sikhs just disrespect shastar vidya...it was used by our ancestors...gatka cant compare against shastar vidya..and thats a fact

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Mrkhalsa007    132

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Kop singh Sorry for the insult, i didnt know, We should learn martial arts, Guru ji said watever one it is the main thing is to defend yourself , And why u guys arguing man this isnt cool caling each of ur brothers dumb, mugs, we dont need these talks we are all brothers and sister.

VJKK VJKF Ji

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hgsingh    35

Kop singh and cisco singh

A lot of the Rajputs lost their martial tradition after the arabs defeated them and shaster vidya failed in stopping the arabs and this happened when they were marrying their daughters to mughuls

I never said sikhs never trained in shaster vidya they larned every combat system that they could learn and became the best at it but I doubt and don't believe in conspiracy's and don't believe niddar singh is last remaining man with knowledge on shastar vidya

Why didn't niddar singh's teacher just open up a school and save the art rather then find someone in his 80's to teach?

Or after the british left why didn't nihangs open up schools to save the martial arts?

Niddar singh's teacher may of lied and said he the last remaining teacher when in reality he just learned shaster vidya from rajput hindus or other nihangs

Or niddar singh learned from rajputs or south indians or other nihangs who learned from rajputs or south indians

Now pleasae examine the video I posted and look at niddar singh's hand to hand combat system

If you have bin in a fight explain how these techniques would work on the streets?

Seriously look at his hand to hand system dude someone posted that hand to hand system on sherdog and people were laughing

Anyone you show that video to will laugh at niddar singh's hand to hand

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hgsingh    35

Kluivert I'm not insulting you I'm telling the truth about you and how dumb you are

If you look at the video of niddar singh you will see why he's scared to accept any challenges also why his students don't compete

Sikhs need to learn how to fight but niddar singh's teachings will get you knocked out

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Kluivert I'm not insulting you I'm telling the truth about you and how dumb you are

If you look at the video of niddar singh you will see why he's scared to accept any challenges also why his students don't compete

Sikhs need to learn how to fight but niddar singh's teachings will get you knocked out

its our tradition..do you want it to die out?...preserve the fighting style of your ancestors!!...shastar vidya is a weapon specialising art.....real battle is for warriors..the real test is to ask millitary men which art they prefer...i can guarantee they would choose the art which kills the quickest...shastar vidya is brutal..it isnt for competitions..its for war

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Niddar is the ultimate salesman! He knows what the kids want are fairy stories and he just takes elements of fantasy stories like Star Wars, Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings and even the Da Vinci Code. In Star Wars read Luke Skywalker as Niddar and Baba Mohinder Singh as Yoda. Maybe when Niddar went to India on holiday Baba Mohinder Singh thought.. the faarse is strong in him!

It's easy to dissect his fairy stories. So we have to believe that Guru Nanak was the first to teach the martial art to Baba Buddha. If that had been the case then this would have been mentioned in the Janamsakhis which it clearly is not. There was no reason for the writers of the Janamsakhi to keep this 'fact' hidden especially as the SV only became a 'secret' martial art after 1849. Had SV been such a great martial art then surely it would have been inducted into the training regime of the Khalsa army of Maharaja Ranjit Singh. If not his army then why not the armies of the Sikh states like Patiala, Faridkot, Jind or Nabha? If the British did issue shoot on sight orders against Nihangs which is very unlikely as there is no mention of such an order in the British records then there was many places that a Nihang could hide and carry on teaching SV in secret in Punjab. To think that SV survived 150 years and was about to die out until Niddar went on holiday to India is something that only a fool would believe.

It is interesting that the only evidence offered for the history of SV on their website are transcripts of interviews with so and so Baba. Not much other evidence is offered. It is interesting to speculate that after calling his secret martial art 'Chatka Gatka' ( didn't Baba Mohinder Singh tell his the name of the secret martial art) for sometime he eventually called it SV.

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SV would have been part of the training regime of the Khalsa Army...under Maharajah Ranjit Singhs command.. Akali Phoola Singh was Jathedar of Akal Takht being a Nihang his troops would have had knowledge of Shastar Vidiya.

In Nihang traditional oral tradition they believe that SV was passed down from Guru Nanak Dev Ji via Baba Buddah, this is what is Buddah Dal still profess to this day.

You will find most letha martial arts to this day are very secretive, they were designed to preserve cultures not taught to outsiders. See how many traditional japaneese sword schools are willing to teach outsiders...or even if they do will they teach you the "proper" art form....

It's also common knowledge that the british demilitarised punjab after the anglo-Sikh wars and all weaponry was banned, you can see this if you google Davinder Toors presentations.

As already mentioned it's not just SV that has been largely lost...what of traditional Raag Vidiya...why is the european harmonium the chief instrument in Kirtan...where it never existed in Punjab before the 1800's ??

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Kop singh Sorry for the insult, i didnt know, We should learn martial arts, Guru ji said watever one it is the main thing is to defend yourself , And why u guys arguing man this isnt cool caling each of ur brothers dumb, mugs, we dont need these talks we are all brothers and sister.

VJKK VJKF Ji

maaf kardo menu

SV would have been part of the training regime of the Khalsa Army...under Maharajah Ranjit Singhs command.. Akali Phoola Singh was Jathedar of Akal Takht being a Nihang his troops would have had knowledge of Shastar Vidiya.

In Nihang traditional oral tradition they believe that SV was passed down from Guru Nanak Dev Ji via Baba Buddah, this is what is Buddah Dal still profess to this day.

You will find most letha martial arts to this day are very secretive, they were designed to preserve cultures not taught to outsiders. See how many traditional japaneese sword schools are willing to teach outsiders...or even if they do will they teach you the "proper" art form....

It's also common knowledge that the british demilitarised punjab after the anglo-Sikh wars and all weaponry was banned, you can see this if you google Davinder Toors presentations.

As already mentioned it's not just SV that has been largely lost...what of traditional Raag Vidiya...why is the european harmonium the chief instrument in Kirtan...where it never existed in Punjab before the 1800's ??

agree

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hgsingh    35

Khalistanigunman chris kyle the most dangerous navy seals green beret's israel commandos invest most their time when training in hand to hand combat in mma

Chris kyle talks about his hand to hand training in the navy seals in his book and how much emphasis is put in being a lethal striker and how boxing and muay thai is what navy seals put the most time into when it comes to striking

Navy seals and green beret and united states army has mma tournments for their soldiers to improve their hand to hand combat system

Almost all martial arts were created for war and to kill but over time newer martial arts form were they take aspects from older martial arts that work and leave out the garbage

Reason mma fighters focus on boxing and muay thai and wrestling and sambo and ji jitsu and judo is cause these martial arts worked best in different tournments that were set up to see which martial arts were best and the rules anything goes and truth was exposed how dangerous these martial ats really were cause they failed to kill anyone

You take any of niddar singh's students if they get into a fight with a pakistani who is a boxer you know niddar singh's student is getting knocked out in a one on one fight by just looking at niddar singhs hand to hand combat system in the video I posted

That's why niddar singh is to scared to compete and that is why they won't put up videos tudents sparring cause from sparring you get to see how effective the techniques are

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Khalistanigunman chris kyle the most dangerous navy seals green beret's israel commandos invest most their time when training in hand to hand combat in mma

Chris kyle talks about his hand to hand training in the navy seals in his book and how much emphasis is put in being a lethal striker and how boxing and muay thai is what navy seals put the most time into when it comes to striking

Navy seals and green beret and united states army has mma tournments for their soldiers to improve their hand to hand combat system

Almost all martial arts were created for war and to kill but over time newer martial arts form were they take aspects from older martial arts that work and leave out the garbage

Reason mma fighters focus on boxing and muay thai and wrestling and sambo and ji jitsu and judo is cause these martial arts worked best in different tournments that were set up to see which martial arts were best and the rules anything goes and truth was exposed how dangerous these martial ats really were cause they failed to kill anyone

You take any of niddar singh's students if they get into a fight with a pakistani who is a boxer you know niddar singh's student is getting knocked out in a one on one fight by just looking at niddar singhs hand to hand combat system in the video I posted

That's why niddar singh is to scared to compete and that is why they won't put up videos tudents sparring cause from sparring you get to see how effective the techniques are

It's pretty clear from the majority of your posts that your not a martial artist, nor do you have any concept or knowledge of comabt systems.

Firstly it doesnt matter if your hands are up or down if your not in striking range or on the periphery..your opponent cannot reach you therefore he cannot hit you....

Niddar Singh is able to keep his hands down and adopt that partiular stance for a reason...his skill level allows it...he presents nothing for his opponent to read, once in correct range or the periphery you rely on misalignment of the oppenents strikes..before taking up a superior tactical position..from which you can then engage.

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      तूं जलि थलि महीअलि भरिपुरि लीणा तूं आपे सरब समाणा ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥ 
      Ŧūʼn jal thal mahī▫al bẖaripur līṇā ṯūʼn āpe sarab samāṇā. ||1|| rahā▫o. 
      Thou art fully contained in water, dry land nether and upper regions. Thou Thyself art pervading everywhere. Pause. 
      SGGS ji Ang 731 🙏🏻 Dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji   I understand that you maybe desiring for an experience to feel the presence of God for yourself, but just remind yourself they are everywhere. When we do Simran with love for God, then we'll start to feel the anand (bliss) of it, when God graces us with it.   
    • Apart from the ignorant British attacking a Sikh wearing a turban (which I hear is very rare, I'm Canadian/American btw), I doubt that the British people will target Sikhs. Instead, what they will do is far worse, they will use our history with the Muslims to incite us and basically use us as fodder as they did in their Raj, though this time, it'll be purely against the Muslims. 
    • It is going to be of no use to you to know how much simran to do. You simply have to arrange time for yourself. .. approximately 2 hours 40 minutes everyday. One tenth of your time everyday to Devote to simran. It is a blessing from God if one is able to put in this amount of time.  Pichle janam dhi kamayi counts as well greatly. God has preselected exactly whom he would like to have these experiences.  If you have these experiences, then you have to learn to not spread them about and you will have more. There are many more things that come to pass... we are spiritual beings suffering from separation from our creator. Reconnection is going to occur slowly and understanding these experiences comes slowly too. As you keep your simran up, you are able to obtain great amounts of happiness and peace from it. So forming a habit of simran should be done as a conscious effort. 
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