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Jews have a similar history to sikhs

One is the muslims who are trying to destroy the jews and muslims who had tried destroying the sikhs

The jewish community is 14 million yet so power full

What can sikhs learn

Israel is going from desert to green

Punjab is going from green to desert

Israel is country of holocast survivors

Sikhs blame others for their problems

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Jews have a similar history to sikhs

One is the muslims who are trying to destroy the jews and muslims who had tried destroying the sikhs

The jewish community is 14 million yet so power full

What can sikhs learn

Israel is going from desert to green

Punjab is going from green to desert

Israel is country of holocast survivors

Sikhs blame others for their problems

jews had to suffer about two thousands years of homeleessness, pogroms, massacres and genocide before they got their state...jews are very resourceful...over centuries of opression they evolved to become very resourceful ...their torah also instructs them to look after fellow jew as a commandment..so they are very loyal to their own..if a jew startes a buisness or moves into a high position in a company..he wil only hire fellow jews...which is why they always move up in society where ever they go..we are comletely the opposite..we never help our own..when we get a buisness..our fellow sikh opens up the same buisness in competition...

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Infiltrate and conquer Bollywood like people of Jewish background have done with Hollywood.

Job done. :biggrin2:

Joking aside those Jews who have risen to prominence in places like Hollywood do not trade on their faith first and foremost, i.e. I don't believe they wear it on their sleeve and function within solely the Jewish faith's dynamics when doing business, etc. The fact that they are Jewish AND successful is incidental. It is their desire for power and influence - and the associated rewards - that drives their ambitions to succeed and reach the top of their chosen field whatever it may be. They are a malleable and hardworking people who are proud (in a positive sense) of their heritage and history. Their desire to expand at least the name of their faith and ensure their daughters and sons only marry other Jews (even if that means conversion to Judaism for the non-Jew before a marriage can take place) is commendable from a certain standpoint, but I understand even this tradition is not being upheld as strongly as it was by past generations.

I personally think the Jewish thirst for success and power is a collective attempt by them not to find themselves in a situation whereby the events of WWII will or could be repeated.

Also unless I'm hopelessly misinformed I don't believe they are hamstrung by divisions between castes and sub-groups within their faith like Sikhs sadly find themselves up against. Sure, there's various factions in every religion with some leaning towards moderation and others of the militant breed (with some in-between), but on the whole the substance and basics of the Jewish faith are not up for debate, unlike the way that the Sikh religion is being torn apart by those who dispute bani's, etc.

The biggest factor towards their apparent success is - and this is possibly a controversial opinion - their Caucasian background. The face fits even if the name sometimes doesn't; if the name doesn't fit then occasionally even the name is jettisoned for something less obviously Jewish. :biggrin2:

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Jews are together they work together, when we get together we start fighting after the hollocaust no one could do anything. Sikhs have taken vengence for things people sikhs shot loads of members of the congress party something the jews couldn't dream of doing to the nazi, the nazi got away with most of it.

The jews zionist movement lead them to control the media so jews have the say in bbc news and sky news- sikhs have no role in the news media and in many times are victims of several forms from the news media. You will find rarely any sikh media figures in the news media doing a good job of reporting the real news guess they wouldn't hire them, otherwise we can publish 1984 properly. We have silly flops who are far from sikhi like sonia deol and bbc asian network djs who don't represent sikhi or the sikhs.

You can find them turning their back on the real events of 1947 and 1984 we take favour of those we commited crimes against sikhs, they allow sikhs to be mixed with the taliban. Even after the sikh riots people who defended southall, the area, mosques and gurdwara sky news called the singh sabha gurdwara a mosque and still no appology for the ignorance from sky news, instead some reports were against sikhs saying they were vigillantes some on the extent saying they want to make more trouble.

In 1984 no sikh could report that bhindranwale was not a terrorist or report a voice of reason for indira gandhi assinations. No sikh could represent sikhs in the partition of India.

We don't have sikh footballers or media personalities like jews have. But jews are very passive were sikhs can fight at times. Jews are a smaller population then Sikhs, sikhs fight more with each other then support each other for a mp, representation or young reporters.

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Infiltrate and conquer Bollywood like people of Jewish background have done with Hollywood.

Job done. :biggrin2:

Joking aside those Jews who have risen to prominence in places like Hollywood do not trade on their faith first and foremost, i.e. I don't believe they wear it on their sleeve and function within solely the Jewish faith's dynamics when doing business, etc. The fact that they are Jewish is incidental. It is their desire for power, influence and money that drives their ambitions to succeed and reach the top of their chosen field whatever it may be. They are a malleable and hardworking people who are proud (in a positive sense) of their heritage and history. Their desire to expand at least the name of their faith and ensure their daughters and sons only marry other Jews is commendable from a certain standpoint, but I understand even this tradition is not being upheld as strongly as it was by past generations.

Again, I personally think the Jewish thirst for success and power is a collective attempt by them not to find themselves in a situation whereby the events of WWII will or could be repeated.

Also unless I'm hopelessly misinformed I don't believe they are hamstrung by divisions between castes and sub-groups within their faith like Sikhs. Sure, there's various factions in every religion with some leaning towards moderation and others of the militant breed (with some in-between), but on the whole the substance and basics of the Jewish faith are not up for debate, unlike the way that the Sikh religion is being torn apart by those who dispute bani's, etc.

The biggest factor towards their apparent success is - and this is possibly a controversial opinion - their Caucasian background. The face fits even if the name sometimes doesn't; if the name doesn't fit then occasionally even the name is jettisoned for something less obviously Jewish. :biggrin2:

Jews thirst more for success then sikhs do, loads of sikhs are okay with just alcohol, tv or other things in excess from punjabi culture, entertainment and leisure have a place in life but only after success. Jews dream of becomming billionaires and have some Sikhs are happy being millionaires they feel they own the whole pind like that, jews want more then we do. Sikhs need to dream and aim of being trillionaires and achieving the near mark of billionaire to the level we can be equal to other people. Jews come in all sorts of colours they mixed with people you will find some indian jews, black jews but on the front end you have white jews just like sikhs we are now becomming more diverse we have 3ho who have gone far we only dream of that. Guru Gobind Singh made us king of world we give away our sikhis diamonds easily and those diamonds are used against us only a dimaond can cut a diamond. Sikhs harm sikhs or hindus from sikhi orient background- indira gandhi went harmandar sahib she had some few practices of sikhs knew about it to some extent she just didn't like sikhs like some sikhs don't like each other. We have internal drama.

Jews have loads of sects but they work together, they don't cuss each other and they learn about each other so they can respect each other more and work together for common good. Sikhs only get together if we want to beat someone up in common. Jews did have a caste system still do however they respect their own minority situation and marry still however they have the surname problem as well, however you find loads of jews who have doctorates, phds, mbbs, lawyers. We have a few drs and don't let them take us forward to have more educated people. All their priests are highly educated our priests are limited in education they can only read guru granth sahib and that is about it, we don't let them write papers or get involved in conferences, sikh studies or other academic means. Publishing sermons and more research, we have destroyed our research tradition, we have oceans of treasures to study and go deeper into the last person we have was bhai vir singh today we only have people like gs. sidhu and Dr. Sukhpreet S. UDHOKE we need more people like this and go deeper then them to go beyond them a million times.

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Jews have loads of sects but they work together, they don't cuss each other and they learn about each other so they can respect each other more and work together for common good.

Yes, I forgot about the groups who follow Kabbalah, etc.

EDIT: Actually even Kabbalah isn't a sect by itself. Jewish sects are grouped almost like branches of philosophy according to the aims and beliefs of that particular Jewish sect, i.e. Reform, Humanist, Conservative, and so on. "Kabbalah sect" - lol at me.

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The Jews may be powerful when we measure material wealth and political clout but how close are they to realising god.  They've been through an horrible ordeal but how much humanity do they show to towards their neighbours in Palestine.  From being the prey they have become the predators illegally occupying Palestinian lands.

Why should we aspire to be like Jews!  I doubt if Sikhs during 16th century were aspiring to be like Mughals.  We should aspire to be like our forefathers and we should create our own destiny not look for blue prints set out by communities who have nothing in common with us regarding ideology or morals.

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The Jews may be powerful when we measure material wealth and political clout but how close are they to realising god. They've been through an horrible ordeal but how much humanity do they show to towards their neighbours in Palestine. From being the prey they have become the predators illegally occupying Palestinian lands.

Why should we aspire to be like Jews! I doubt if Sikhs during 16th century were aspiring to be like Mughals. We should aspire to be like our forefathers and we should create our own destiny not look for blue prints set out by communities who have nothing in common with us regarding ideology or morals.

spot on!

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I think as Sikhs we can learn not only from Jews but also from the Muslims. From Jews we can learn to stick together and help each other. From the Muslims we can learn to grow our community. The Muslims are growing for a number of reasons, mainly because of their healthy birth rate and their missionary activity. We Sikhs should also try to increase our birth rate since we are a far behind both Hindus and Muslims in this regard plus we need to start doing parchaar to non Sikhs. We should be at least double our current numbers.

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Jews are some of the most greediest people I have came across my life time. They believe they were "god's chosen people" and the more wealth they accumulate the more they are closer to god. Alot of them are weak and lack testerone is which probably the other reason why they are so cunning.

Sikh's were protecting hindu's at the time of the mughal raj. Sikh's were lions, full of testerone and ready to fight. After years of war with the mughals we gained a mutual respect in which the mughal's left us alone and allowed us to expand our empire.

Basically if your a man and not a p***y (mind the language) and have god's energy running through your vains you were left alone and respected. Hence the warrior spirit.

A man's natural job is to protect and provide and you cannot be a weak in order to this. Guru Gobind Singh made us lions and we should stick to this.

In my dear opnion (some of you guys might disagree) Sikhism is closely related to Rastafarnism.

Peace.

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The Jews may be powerful when we measure material wealth and political clout but how close are they to realising god. They've been through an horrible ordeal but how much humanity do they show to towards their neighbours in Palestine. From being the prey they have become the predators illegally occupying Palestinian lands.

Why should we aspire to be like Jews! I doubt if Sikhs during 16th century were aspiring to be like Mughals. We should aspire to be like our forefathers and we should create our own destiny not look for blue prints set out by communities who have nothing in common with us regarding ideology or morals.

Well we know from kashmir situation what muslims are like they lie about stuff all the time, saying hindus and sikhs are oppressing them, they have been the biggest liers you can ever meet in the entire world. They have lied about the Sikh relaitonship sayings sikhs are enemies, they lied in 1947 to rape sikh women, the mullahs are satanic incarnates of the devil who start problems, lie and stir them up. This stuff about palestine the muslim land being innocent targetted by evil jews is the mullahs at work. The read the haddiths and find wars with muslims and jews so they start jihad on jews themselves. Muslims have started war with everyone, the main goal they have is to kill everyone, or convert them they can be very patient but ultimately want to convert everyone so we have loads of pedophila all over the world, with cutting of peoples hands and stonning to deaths. Israel has been decided but muslims want to take over the land, convert them all imposing shariah law, they are after declaring war with the whole world.

We are unique, we have some things to learn from everyone but on what you need to create a state and to have representation in the UN is the main thing we do have a channel right now in the UN we need to help various organisations grow, we need to contribute our time, services and funds. We need a growth in awareness and media. We need better communications and understand how to talk to people, to read on diplomacy and how to communicate effectively.

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Well we know from kashmir situation what muslims are like they lie about stuff all the time, saying hindus and sikhs are oppressing them, they have been the biggest liers you can ever meet in the entire world. They have lied about the Sikh relaitonship sayings sikhs are enemies, they lied in 1947 to rape sikh women, the mullahs are satanic incarnates of the devil who start problems, lie and stir them up. This stuff about palestine the muslim land being innocent targetted by evil jews is the mullahs at work. The read the haddiths and find wars with muslims and jews so they start jihad on jews themselves. Muslims have started war with everyone, the main goal they have is to kill everyone, or convert them they can be very patient but ultimately want to convert everyone so we have loads of pedophila all over the world, with cutting of peoples hands and stonning to deaths. Israel has been decided but muslims want to take over the land, convert them all imposing shariah law, they are after declaring war with the whole world.

We are unique, we have some things to learn from everyone but on what you need to create a state and to have representation in the UN is the main thing we do have a channel right now in the UN we need to help various organisations grow, we need to contribute our time, services and funds. We need a growth in awareness and media. We need better communications and understand how to talk to people, to read on diplomacy and how to communicate effectively.

This is false. Muslims don't go around converting people. They only try to convert the weak men who are lost. No Muslim will try to convert a SINGH SOORMA infact he will be respected, Weak men cannot protect their woman so they try take advantage of him and his woman.

And another thing. The British surely screwed us over nicely. My Grandpa once told me that Muslims, Sikhs, and Hindu's were living in harmony in Punjab before the partition in 1947. When the British allowed the establishment of Pakistan, all hell broke lose.

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This is false. Muslims don't go around converting people. They only try to convert the weak men who are lost. No Muslim will try to convert a SINGH SOORMA infact he will be respected, Weak men cannot protect their woman so they try take advantage of him and his woman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBLc61WfgY0

read about al-taquia seems like you been a victim of this propoganda yourself.

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I agree with the first video because this was due to politics. Look at the 1984 Delhi riots our Sikh woman were tortured and raped, But imagine if Babbar Khalsa was present in Delhi, do you think the rioters will be able to touch us?

As for the other videos this is our fault. This is a controvesial topic.

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When it comes to jews being god's chosen people they believe they believe that they were blessed enough to gain god's wisdom and they believe cause they were given that knowledge they will be judged more harsh by god then someone who wasn't given knowledge about judism

Christians muslims believe they are only way

Jews are pretty tough israel 6 million taking on a billion muslims and their ability to kill iranian scientist

Jews have taken in muslim refugees from bosnia and give medical care to the palastinians who don't pose a threat to israel

Also check out what israel has done for durfur genocide victims the jews are the first once to stand up for genocide victim and it was the jewish lobbyists who were screaming at clinton to stop genocide in bosnia

Aome people have bin misled by jews when they havnt ever met a jew their very liberal people not racist in fact they were the second biggest supporters of barack obama after african americans more then hispanic indian asian americans

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Jews are some of the most greediest people I have came across my life time. They believe they were "god's chosen people" and the more wealth they accumulate the more they are closer to god. Alot of them are weak and lack testerone is which probably the other reason why they are so cunning.

Sikh's were protecting hindu's at the time of the mughal raj. Sikh's were lions, full of testerone and ready to fight. After years of war with the mughals we gained a mutual respect in which the mughal's left us alone and allowed us to expand our empire.

Basically if your a man and not a p***y (mind the language) and have god's energy running through your vains you were left alone and respected. Hence the warrior spirit.

A man's natural job is to protect and provide and you cannot be a weak in order to this. Guru Gobind Singh made us lions and we should stick to this.

In my dear opnion (some of you guys might disagree) Sikhism is closely related to Rastafarnism.

Peace.

Exactly! And there's a reason why Rastafarians keep kesh too ... And don't forget the stash! Lol

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Also, let's not forget that the Jewish state has been propped up by the United States since day one. The Jewish lobby in Washington ensures this support will never dwindle.

That aside Jews have always had a reputation of sorts when it comes to money. If Charles Dickens were alive these days and was still writing, he'd be accused of being an anti-semite because of the negative way he portrays Jewish characters - especially Fagin in Oliver Twist - in his books. But back in those days some of the Jews in London were responsible for lending money; and ensuring it was collected on time.

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Some facts: The Jews have an independant State-Israel, what have we got ????

The creation of the state of Israel was supported by the West after WW2, by annexing Palestine, i.e. kicking out the Mulsims from there homes and giving them to the Jews (a strategic move by the West to have an influence within the Middle East). The justification was that this was the promised land for the Jews from God !!!!.

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Some facts: The Jews have an independant State-Israel, what have we got ????

The creation of the state of Israel was supported by the West after WW2, by annexing Palestine, i.e. kicking out the Mulsims from there homes and giving them to the Jews (a strategic move by the West to have an influence within the Middle East). The justification was that this was the promised land for the Jews from God !!!!.

I've always wondered about this part in bold above. So one of the contributing justifications for the creation of Israel (apart from the obvious events of WWII) was because it was written in the Bible that Jews must have a homeland?

So they actually took a directive from God - from their perspective - and made it come true?

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Jews are some of the most greediest people I have came across my life time. They believe they were "god's chosen people" and the more wealth they accumulate the more they are closer to god. Alot of them are weak and lack testerone is which probably the other reason why they are so cunning.

How are Jews greedy? just because they stand up for their kind and not take the crap that they were forced to take for centuries? Can you provide a quote from the Jewish scripture which says that Jews beleive they will be more closer to God if they accumulate wealth. And no they are not weak, they have been kicking the entire middle eastern armies in all the wars they have had with the Muslims based on their fighting ability not cunningness. You need to get your head out of Christian and Islamic extremist propaganda and see the things for what they are.

As for greed and being cunning, the most greedy and cunning people I have personally seen are our own people. I have seen how apnay kill and do fraud with their own brothers over Jameen/farm land. I have seen now apnay take tens of Lakhs of rupees from a girl's family during marriage without any guilt. I have seen apnay killing their baby daughter because they don't want to spend money on dowry during the future of their daughter's marriage. I have seen apnay pulling apnay down just to see themselves succeed. Where to even begin with the legendary greediness of apnay?

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Jews and Sikhs are joined at the hip. Closer than you could ever imagine. Just to add to the points already made about our closeness we should also remember the Jewish concept of the turban as the crowning glory. It is part of the Jewish scriptures that jews must always wrap a turban around their head to crown their glory. Unfortunately, when the muslims invaded jeruselum for the 3rd time, the only way that the Jews of Jeruselum could avoid slaughter was by agreeing to the Pact of Omar. As Mohammed had borrowed alot from the Jewish faith he stated that all muslims must wear a turban. As such, the Pact of Omar proclaimed that from then on it was forbidden for any Jew to wear a turban as it was the mark of a muslim. After thousands of years in the wilderness it has been difficult if not impossible for modern day jews to go back to that now. But...let us not forget that it is a fundamental aspect of Judaism which the rabbis recognise.

Now....someone said they are greedy. They certainly ain't greedy. They're just good and clever. At the tuen of the century they were the hoodlums, gangsters and boxers in the slums of London's east end and New York's lower east side. They wanted better for their children and they made better for their children. We have much to learn from them. Unlike them....our ambition has had limits in that even after 60 years we're still living in those same bad inner city neighbourhoods our grandparents came to out of majboori.

Honestly, as a Sikh I feel closer to the Jew than I do with any other religion.

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The christian church have used jews as scape goats for hundreds of years along with muslims

And to continue to attack jews the christian church would talk about what jesus said about the rich and money being evil and the jews were always hard working and successful so ppl would cal them greedy

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The christian church have used jews as scape goats for hundreds of years along with muslims

And to continue to attack jews the christian church would talk about what jesus said about the rich and money being evil and the jews were always hard working and successful so ppl would cal them greedy

Well the 'christians' as you describe them hgsingh, only exist due to their self interest in abandoning the jews to their death. You see, Jesus himself was a very very pious and religious Jew. You can see that in the way he went to the temple of the mount to confront the money lenders. He cared so much about his religion ; Judaism, that he couldn't stand to see the way it was being distorted at the temple. He himself, was a true Jewish believer and never once proclaimed a new, seperate, different religion. Even centuries after his death his followers were known as the Jewish sect of the Nazerines. they were just one of many accepted Jewish sects. Then came another muslim invasion of Jeruselum. All Jews were ordered to be expelled from jeruselum. To save themselves, the Nazarenes said "let us stay......we're not Jews....we're a bit different.....we're followers of christ". Thus.......the Nazarenes, for their own self interest....created their own seperate religion simply to be able to stay in Jeruselum. Thats hardly a great foundation for a religion in anybody's book. Once they held the power in Jeruselum they set about treating jews most harshly and have been doing so ever since. One doesn't even need to look to Jeruselum to see the cruelty. Closer to home....on 2 occassions, the last time by Queen Elizabeth, every Jew was rounded up and expelled from England. In fact, throughout history, the muslims have actually treated the Jew much better than the christians have.

There is actually a historical lesson for us Sikhs there. What I mean by this is that we constantly go on about how badly the muslims treated us but....because we are under this false illusion of friendship....we fail to notice how it has, in fact, been Hindus that have been trying to destroy us since the very beginning.

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I think as Sikhs we can learn not only from Jews but also from the Muslims. From Jews we can learn to stick together and help each other. From the Muslims we can learn to grow our community. The Muslims are growing for a number of reasons, mainly because of their healthy birth rate and their missionary activity. We Sikhs should also try to increase our birth rate since we are a far behind both Hindus and Muslims in this regard plus we need to start doing parchaar to non Sikhs. We should be at least double our current numbers.

regarding high birth rates n missionary i agree with you. during the british rule over panjab, particularly 1900' onwards, sikhs had the highest birth rates n highest number of converts too, so if we could get back to that, it wud b gud init. i can PM u the website showin these figures of rise, and other very fascinating stuff from a guy 'gopal kirshan' bowt the demographics of panjab (1849-1947).

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