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they're all wicked raagis ji. its just that some stand out more than others (because they made more tapes, take bhai harbans singh jaghadhari wale as a classic example)

they are all wicked raagis because they are singing the same theme, shabad guru, but just in different ways (i.e. some sing it in raag, others make their tunes up, others do their remixes i.e. getting a jazzy b song and with that replacing his lines with shabad)

but at the end of the day, they're singing shabad guru.

they're all wicked. they just have different ways of having pyaar for maharaj.

bhol chukke muaff

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they're all wicked raagis ji. its just that some stand out more than others (because they made more tapes, take bhai harbans singh jaghadhari wale as a classic example)

they are all wicked raagis because they are singing the same theme, shabad guru, but just in different ways (i.e. some sing it in raag, others make their tunes up, others do their remixes i.e. getting a jazzy b song and with that replacing his lines with shabad)

but at the end of the day, they're singing shabad guru.

they're all wicked. they just have different ways of having pyaar for maharaj.

bhol chukke muaff

very true grin.gif :nihungsmile: :e: :wub: )

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dya singh's more of a worldly music kinda ragi u know...he plays in world music concerts all the time....thats not to say that he doesnt do awesome kirtan.....but wat category would u put him under?.... :T:

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but wat category would u put him under?...

new age kirtan, what hes doing is new, and its an age where no-one understands kirtan (some), but hes trying to make everyone listen to it, thats why he does it in concert (lol joke)

anyway, but on serious point

does it really matter what catagory you put him under? hes singing shabad, let him do parchaar. everyone has their way of doing parchaar. shabad is shabad.

there may be so many people taking out jazzy b lines and putting shabad lines in, there may be many people singing in raag, there maybe many people making their own tunes up, there may be many singing shabad at concerts.

but at the end of the day, its always under the same catagory. why? because they sing the same thing, shabad guru.

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him singing shabad ive got no problem with dat.. but the parchaar he does its not right.. he has even said that we can replace kacheraas with boxers.. (now what type of parchaar is dat) .. he even said dat we dun need to say WJKK WJKF .. we shud jz do dis and say :lol: FATEH... (parchaar??) i know him personally .. he's a malaysian he comes down a lot to the malaysian camps here..

his singing style does attracts loads of the youngsters ive no arguements with the but the worryin part is his parchaar...

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i tell u suming though.. Dya Singh promotes Satnaam... which is a rarity nowadays. He promotes Satnaam as jaap whereas normally u jus hear either Waheguru Waheguru or Satnaam Waheguru!

Heres sumin i read a while back..

Baba Nanak said, O respected Holy Man! Please listen to the Truth that I utter.

Without SATNAAM (The Name "Truth") I have no other miracle.

I may wear the clothes of fire and build my house in the Himalayas.

I may eat the iron and make earth move to my orders.

I may expand myself so much that I could push the earth.

I may weigh the earth and the sky against few grams of weight.

I may have so much power that I push aside anybody just by saying.

But without SATNAAM (The Name "Truth"),

all these powers are momentary like the shadow of the clouds.

Bhai Gurdas // 1

A blessed Gursikh Bibi ji told us that she was blessed with divine vision of

Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh ji a few weeks ago (Jun 04). She said that she could

hear the Khalsa all chanting 'SAT SAT SAT SAT...'. Why was it that Guru Gobind

Singh Ji wanted her to know that "SAT SAT SAT" was being chanted in the realm of

Truth SACH KHAND where his divine vision came from?

It is interesting that 300 years into Sikhism that the majority of Sikhs

associate only chanting of "WAHEGURU WAHEGURU" with Guru Gobind Singh ji and not

"SAT SAT SAT". Only a handful of holy people that I am aware of including

Harbhajan Singh Yogi USA, Dya Singh Australian Muscian, Sant Sheesha Singh India

still promote SATNAAM. Otherwise, the word "SATNAAM" seems to have been buried

under ce

nturies of different traditions within Sikhism introduced by countless

religious leaders. Nowadays it gets translated as the TRUE NAME. And often

WAHEGURU is added afterwards, so "SATNAAM WAHEGURU" gets translated as the TRUE

NAME IS "WAHEGURU". However the phrase SATNAAM WAHEGURU does not appear in Guru

Granth Sahib Ji. To get to the real meaning of SATNAAM we have to dig deeper.

The following verse by Guru Gobind Singh Ji confirms what Bibi ji experienced :

Guru Gobind Singh Ji writes the following Dohira that is sung at the end of the

"Sikh Artee".

"Aisay chand partaap tay

dayvan badhi-o partaap

teen lok jai jai karai

rarai NAAM SAT jaap"

After exalting Ad Shakti (God the Primal Power)

All divine beings were exalted.

The three worlds resounded with 'Hail ! Hail !'

and the name (NAAM) of Truth (SAT) was repeated (JAAP).

When you rip away all the outer layers of Sikhism, underneath the uniform, the

image, the history, the strange language and ceremonies you are left with a

simple seed that it all started from. That seed is called "Sat Naam". Two words

SAT and NAAM

NAAM:

======

God's presence is everywhere, supporting all things at all times - in todays

language we could say the energy structure of the whole Universe. That presence

of God, of Supreme Light Energy Being is called the NAAM by the Indian mystics

and Sikh Gurus.

Other people call it by different names and dont always associate it with God.

New age people and Reiki practioners call it "Life Force", Indian Yogis call it

the "Prana" , Chinese martial artists and monks call it "Chee", Christians call

it "The Holy Spirit". Essentially it is the presence of God inside us and

supporting absolutely everything.

SAT:

====

Means TRUTH. Meaning all we see around us is temporary, e

ven we are just here

like a spark emerging from a fire and disappearing after a second. The only

permanent thing is God's presence. So God's original primal name that He chose

for Himself was "TRUTH" or SAT.

The concept of Naam had been around well before Guru Nanak Ji's time. But that

"life force" or "energy" was not always associated with God. What Guru Nanak ji

did was put SAT infront of Naam. He emphasised that this Naam was not just an

energy or life force, but actually the prescence of God, of TRUTH, of SAT.

KIRTAM NAAM KATHA TERE JIHBA, SAT NAAM TERA PURA POORBLA

The tongue describes You using (various) praise names (eg HAR, WAHEGURU, RAM

etc),

but the name "Truth" (SAT NAAM) is YOUR OWN original primal name.

Guru Ram Das. SGGS Ji 1083

Guru Nanak Ji teaches that God was in deep meditatation for an incredible amount

of time (36 AGES). And He broke this deep meditation by uttering a word – a

vibration – what nowadays we might think of as the BIG BANG. When God gave the

first vibration to start the Creative process He effectively said "I am God, I

am SAT (Truth)". Guru Nanak Ji wrote this down as "Ik Oankar Sat Naam" meaning

"One God Named "Truth".

GURPRASAD

===========

What God wants us to do is to go into deep meditation (smadhi) inside ourselves

and join HIM in HIS deep meditation. When Guru Nanak entered the state of deep

meditation (smadhi), he was blessed by God directly. God gave Guru Nanak Ji two

things to give suffering humanity :

a) the SAT NAAM mantra blessed by God (called the "Gur Prasadi Naam") and

b) humility.

And like one candle lights another, Guru Nanak Ji would bless people with these

two things.

Although the popular chant of "SATNAAM WAHEGURU" does not appear in Gurbani, the

following verse does appear twice. And describes pe

rfectly what Guru Nanak Ji

was doing – giving the NAAM of SAT with GUR PRASAD – God's blessing that was

coming through him.

"IK OANKAR SAT NAAM GURPRASAD||"

One God Named "Truth" by God's Grace.

With God's grace (Gur Prasad) the Sikh would meditate on the mantra SATNAAM in

utmost humility.

NAMASKAAR GURDEV KO SATNAAM JIS MANTER SUNAYEA

I bow to Guru (Nanak) who announced the mantra of "SAT NAAM".

Bhai Gurdas ji, line 1 // 1.

The major objection I have heard as to meditating on SATNAAM is that Bhai Gurdas

also writes at the end of the first //, that WAHEGURU is the GUR MANTR, by

repeating which ego is erased.

Yes , no doubts that Sikhs at the Guru's times did repeat "WAHEGURU WAHEGURU" as

well. It was the Gur Mantr, it was important for erasing the ego. But it is not

the NAAM. Bhai Gurdas ji does not write that WAHEGURU was the NAAM. WAHEGURU was

not the GUR PRASADI NAAM that Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji refers to.

"IK OANKAR SAT NAAM GURPRASAD||"

One God Named "Truth" by God's Grace.

Repeating the Gur Mantr of "WAHEGURU WAHEGURU" will if done correctly help to

erase ego. But at some point after that a person needs to be blessed with God's

Graceful Name of Truth – Gurprasadi Naam.

And that blessing comes through the holy ones. The whole of Siri Guru Granth

Sahib ji praises the holy ones again and again. SACH KHAND is run by the holy

ones. And you only enter SACH KHAND with the blessings of the holy ones.

Look at Baba Nand Singh Ji he meditated by himself for many years as a child.

Then Guru Gobind Singh Ji came to him in a vision and told him to go and learn

from Baba Harnaam Singh Ji. Even Guru Gobind Singh Ji being Guru, told Baba Nand

Singh ji to go and serve the holy one and to learn Siri Guru Granth Sahjib ji

from him. And thats what he did, and that's wher

e he got GUR PRASADI NAAM from.

The first thing Sant Harnam Singh ji made Baba Nand Singh ji do was 150,000

repititions on Mul Mantr – whci is effectively the longer version of Ik Oankar

Satnaam.

This is how God's Gurprasadi Game works.

Even in my own experience, for the first 8 years of my religious life after

taking khanda-batta-da-pahul (Sikh Initiition) I did everything by the book. I

was not destined to have the the company of holy people at that time. Everything

I knew about Sikhism was from parents and history books and translations of Guru

Granth Sahib Ji. I was trying really hard to do everything I was reading.

Practising things I picked up from Bhai Randheer Singh Ji's autobiography, as

well as books about Baba Nand Singh ji and Sant Attar Singh Ji. I attended Sikh

youth camps for 5 or 6 years, and was taught that there is no need for holy

people, only Guru Granth Sahib ji. I was ttoally dedicated to this path and wore

the blue bana, did all the nitnem and much more like Sukhmnai Sahibs and strict

code of conduct. But inside I was still crying for God unable to understand why

I had had no spiritual progress. Although by now I was well respected due to my

Sikh uniform and attendance at camps at Gurdwaras. I

started going to Gurdwara twice a day, doing as much seva as possible and

standing in ardas with hands pressed together infront of Guru Granth Sahib Ji

begging for God to meet me. And one day God showed me a divine aura of white

light around an elderly Singh in the sangat (Uncle jee). WOW! I was gobsmacked,

but forgot about it for a few months. Then when I got desparate again I read

Bhai Gurdas Ji's // which said that a Sikh is the one who serves others and

then eats. So I used to rush to the Gurdwara in the morning to do langar seva.

And who would come to eat – but Uncle jee. Everyday he would tell me something

divine. First day he said "Just by looking like a good Sikh doesnt mean you are

>close to God on the inside". I was going to argue with him about the importance

of wearing the bana, but then another thought came into my mind saying "God

showed you HIS divine light on this person, so listen and learn." So over the

next 6 months of his holy sangat, and respecting him as how

Sukhmani Sahib says to respect a saint, my spiritual dreams were fulfilled. God

blessed this fool with a view of Himself.

Uncle ji did not say he was anything other than an ant at the Guru's feet. But

as Sukhmani Sahib says the one who become the lowest in this world, becomes the

highest in SACH KHAND Gods realm of Truth.

And I learnt a very big lesson from that. We pray infront of Guru Granth Sahib

Ji. We read Sukhmani Sahib countless times and chant the Gur mantr "WAHEGURU

WAHEGURU". But until we do what Guru Granth Sahib ji and Sukhmani Sahib says and

go and serve the holy ones, we will have no spiritual progress. This path to God

is a GUR PRASADI GAME. And the GurPrasad – God's grace - is bestowed upon an

individual by through a holy person. By someone who has already pleased God and

resides in SACH KHAND. This does not undermine the importance of Guru Granth

Sahib Ji. Guru Granth Sahib ji is telling us to do this. By doing this we are

actually respecting Guru Granth Sahib Ji fully, instead of just paying lip

service and bowing with empty hearts. Also this does not undermine the

importance of the Punj Piaray. The original Punj Piaray were each supremely

blessed holy souls – pooran brahmgianis, pooran Khalsa ..."khalsa mera satguru

poora". They were authorised by God to give Gurprasadi Naam. And

prior to the Guru's, the bhagats received Gurprasadi Naam through their own

Guru. For example just like Guru Gobind Singh Ji, Bhagat Ramanand Ji created

five more blessed souls like himself including Bhagat Kabir ji. All 6 of these

great souls have had their bani included in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. So

it may be

that God has it destined for you to get GURPRASADI NAAM at the Sikh Initiation

ceremony via the blessed holy ones who should be of the same standard as the

original panj piaray – pooran khalsa – to be effective. Or it may be you get

Gurprasadi Naam from a Bhagat, like Uncle Ji God put me in touch with.

By meditating on the NAAM TRUTH, SATNAAM, with the blessings of God from a holy

person we start our journey on the GURPRASADI GAME. And by living a TRUTHFUL

life we enter deep meditation and experience the same divine union with God as

Guru Nanak Ji did.

But dont take my word for it, try it for yourself. Here's a simple way to get

started with meditation for a complete beginner. Even if you do not yet have the

company of the holy persons, start meditating on god and start begging for GUR

PRASADI NAAM. And God will take care of the the time and place when you meet the

holy person who will help you.

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Gur Fateh!

"Sat Nam" is an adjective, not the gurmantra, if it were, should we also adopt the 3HO practice of chanting "Har Har Har" since this is also cited many many times in Gurbani.

Dya Singh & Jatha are talented musicians agreed, and yes he 'pulls in the crowd' particularly young children, but what is this going to lead to?

Kandola, I have to disagree entirely with your comments on it's all good so long as they are singing Shabd Guru, frankly, it's insulting, as insulting as it is to be taking the parkash of Maharaj into a Bar.

Who are we to begin working outside of the Raag (Melody/Mood), Ghar (timecycle), Partaal (Style) prescribed by Guru Maharaj? All these pakandkeertanias are the bane of Sikhi, the parchar is bound to be questionable when the kirtan itself is going against the HUKAM of Guru Sahib.

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

niranjana posted gud post

sat nam means the true name

the rue name is

vaheguru

we realy need santhia int he panth

even bhai gurdas je states gurmantar is vaheguru

and y say hari when u can say vaheguru

hari is not the gurus mantar

vaheguru is

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

and keertan shud defintley be done in raag

barley anyone does raag nowdays

nowhere atkeertan darbars, smagams

like 90 percent is tunes

raag is wat guru je taught

and read this, which is read at samaptie of guru granth sahib je

Kst rwg auin gwey sMig rwgnI qIs ](1430-19,mwlw,-)

khasat raag un gaa-ay sang raagnee tees.

So all together, they sing the six Raagas and the thirty Raaginis,

sBY puqR rwgMn ky ATwrh ds bIs ]1 ]1 ](1430-19,mwlw,-)

sabhai putar raagann kay athaarah das bees. ||1||1||

and all the forty-eight sons of the Raagas. ||1||1||

wats 6+30+48 equal??

and how many joons are there

ok

raag is important

we shud at least try to always singh in raag

and never anything else

at least try

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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Khalistani veer is right that raag is very important...but to say that you can't sing gurbani any other way is pure messed....

in fact...sant attar singhji or sant teja singh ji (one of them) was singing gurbani as they were going for a walk and they were singing totally out of tune but immersed in the love of gurbani....some person walked by and started cursing them for singing so badly and sant ji replied: guru dhay gun gavoo, bhavay kathayang udaoo.

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A'nt na sifti kahan na a'nt

Limitless are His Praises; ways to say them, countless

Japji Sahib, Pauri 25

vwihgurU jI kw Kwlsw!

vwihgurU jI kI &iqh!!

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