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I did CBT around 2 years ago. It didn't help because I wasn't really willing to disclose some of the thoughts which made it difficult. I am starting to see a psychologist again now and will disclose most if not all the thoughts now. I haven't tried group therapy no.

It's great that you've realised that something needs to be done in order to have a better quality of life and being completely honest with the psychologist is another positive step. Group therapy was just a suggestion, its not suitable for everyone. I guess it's just based upon personal preference.

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Guest MsKaur

Hello,

I am suffering from similar problems recently after becoming a little unwell but have found that doing paath like 'Benti Chaupai' to fight and kill these thoughts or the illness and reading shabad ' eh neech karam har mere' really do help, the shabad allows us to reveal bad habits/apologise to god. Also as mentioned before doing 'Naam Simran' also helps in many ways ,it is simple too, whilst it is very important to remember our lord who has given us everything and is always supporting us, simran also helps whether by apologising, decreasing/eliminating our problems and helps us to erase our sins. I also agree with the earlier posters that 'Ardaas' for ridding this illness or for strength to fight it, is powerful too. We may not understand if we are undergoing karma of old sin or creating new sin but waheguruji definitely shows us the way forward. I am unsure if I have OCD but now understand that mental illnesses are painful in their own way, I still struggle.. but Waheguruji is 'Anterjamee' and knows the dukhre of everyone. He has his kirpa on all but due to our past karma we need to undergo certain events. I really hope things get better for every single one of you especially after experiencing this and watching my problems grow and fluctuate...thanks to everyone that has shared their insight and helped us with their caring understanding. I have tried to do Ardaas for you all and wish you the best of luck.. naam simran is the key! ;).

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WJKK WJKF

Thank you bhenji so much for your ardas and lovely words. I have some ocd too. And it was noticed by a nurse at a clinic i went to for another problem. I didn't even realise i had it. A professional specialist should be seen if anybody has it. I now think to myself, waheguruji made this happen now and not before that i was meant to go to somewhere for another problem and through somebody was able to realise i have this. Its all in waheguruji's hands what happens even doctors specialists are sent by them.

another example is today i met the most wonderful doctor that took a lot of time to explain things. Its so weird, i know nobody is god, but at the end i cried and hugged the doc. Even my husband said it felt like god has sent someone so special, rab jaise and he never seen a doc so good.

Its moments like this makes one realise what life is. And never lose faith, keep doing path and simran like bhenji says.

Thank you ji all.

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wjkk wjkf _stuckinadoorway_

thank you for sharing your condition with the sangat. gurbani guru tells us ..

"veechar maray taray taharay ult jun na avay"

one who kills his thoughts, saves himself and others and does not have to be reborn

the whole game in this world is of thoughts. difference in thoughts create internal conflict, conflict with family members and conflicts in society.

this is the act of the panj

"kuljug meh dharay panj chor chagarahay, kaam krodh lob abiman badahay"

the five thieves inside us create these thoughts which inturn create internal and external divisions and conflict. in this conditions gurbani says such a mind is asleep (in thoughts).

teheguni sansar barahm suta

the sleeping mind (asleep in thought) is not in control and so the five control it and torture it

in this state gurbani gives us the solution to awaken the sleeping mind (asleep in thoughts)

simar simar simar gur apna sohya man jagahe

gurbani has given the solution as simran

a mind that is dirty will not be able to concentrate.. what is the dirt?

pariyay mat papa kay sang

the mind has come from satjug to kuljug, through countless incarations and has become blackened with sins (a result of thoughts created by the panj leading to actions)

is man ko janam janam ke mehl laghi, kala hoa sawo

in this condition it is important to know the technique to wash the mind

man dhovaho sabad laago har suo rehi chit lahe

how if we are doing paat, simran, sitting in the gurdwara and our mind is elsewhere the mind will not be washed

same as if we try to bath a child and the water is running but the child runs away from the tap he will not be washed. in this way if the mind has gone away (into thoughts) it will not be washed

understand and knowledge is important and this is taught in gurbani and practiced in sangat

gurbani says

dun meh dhaan dhaan meh janiya gurmukh akath kahani

if we do simran by listening to the sound our own voice then our mind will begin to learn to be present (awake)

it is important to do sangat as it can take time to understand the game of the mind as per the teaching of guru granth sahib

please forgive any mistake made.

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Guest Sat

You should ignore these posts, OCD is an illness and should see your gp. He will most likely prescribe you with an Ssri and also a course of CBt. The ssri alone will not help, as you need to learn the core lesson of OCD which is a blasphemous intrusive thought is just a thought and the more you worry about these thoughts the more they will appear. A specialist in London is Dr David Veale who if you want to go private can help you find the best cbt therapist. I also recommend an excellent book "a complete guide to getting well and staying well by Fred penzel". I feel your pain as I was once like you but now am better, keep your head up and good luck

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repetitive persistent thoughts regarding natural urges are normal, not ocd. but if you feel that it is that bad try using bach flower remedies. google them and ocd. this has no harmful side effects and can be used in conjunction with Bani and any therapy that you might be undergoing. it will cause no interactions with drugs. I think white chestnut and crab apple would be a huge help to you. They are very cheap, and quite frankly, after suffering so much you have nothing to lose. Additionally, read this: http://www.healthboards.com/boards/obsessive-compulsive-disorder-ocd/599396-dont-give-up-natural-remedies-helped-me.html

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ocd and religious ocd are real issues...they can be very tormenting.... Important is to know difference between religion and disease of mind... Waheguru ji... Please pray for me also . Suffering alot ..

 

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search scrupulosity(religious ocd) on net...u will know its a condition of mind...waheguru ji please save everyone...please help my brothers and sisters

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Firstly, the only difference between you and most people is that you admit you have impure thoughts.

Secondly, don't worry, Waheguru is all-knowing. Your admission and guilt is enough for Waheguru to forgive you, even if you have more impure thoughts in the future. As long as you don't physically molest anyone, it's fine. Just don't physically act them out, otherwise you'll be punished in this world and the next.

OCD is caused because of a chemical imbalance in the brain. And this is caused by stuff that's put in our food and medicine. So its not your fault nor because of stuff you did in previous janams. And you can't rely on doctors. They are not medicine-makers, but medicine-prescribers (no better than chemists). And whatever the pharmaceutical companies push (never safe stuff), doctors must hand-out.

So in short, enjoy your fantasies (resistance only make the thoughts come back stronger), don't physically act out the fantasies, and Waheguru will always forgive you for impure thoughts, because your brain's chemical imbalance was caused by the pharmaceutical and food production rakshasas. You'll be OK. Everything will be just fine...

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On 2011-8-29 at 2:36 PM, Guest stuckinadoorway said:

I have relentless OCD. I have it in the Gurdwara even more sometimes. The thoughts are blasphemous and sexual and sometimes a mixture of both. I have been advised to go to the Gurdwara at amrtivela and do simran. I try but sometimes my OCD gets worse when I am in the Gurdwara and I feel worse off then if I hadn't had gone altogether. My mind then tells me I am being punished for my thoughts and that I am unwelcome in the Gurdwara. I have been like this for years but recently it has become worse. I have had CBT from a psychologist but it did not work and I am on SSRIs which help a bit but not completely.

I really don't know why I have to go throeavy duugh this. Maybe I slandered a saint in my past life or even this one. Some of my thoughts are towardsaints. The sufferings of such slanderers are indescribable. What hope it there for me? Is there a solution? I pray, pray and pray by doing ardas but it seems like God is not listening. This problem just does not leave me alone. I don't know what to do. I have also tried seva. Sometimes the thoughts then come while I am doing seva and it just feels so wrong doing seva while I have these thoughts so I stop it.

What am I to do?

have you tried nutritional therapies including probiotics and heavy duty  vitamin b12 b6 and b3 daily intake ? It can help with depression and intensity of internal anxiety . Another thing worth considering is Homeopathy as it does take note of ALL your mental symptoms , emotional symptoms and physical ones so will be helpful on multiple levels . 

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On 2017-6-13 at 6:17 PM, jkvlondon said:

have you tried nutritional therapies including probiotics and heavy duty  vitamin b12 b6 and b3 daily intake ? It can help with depression and intensity of internal anxiety . Another thing worth considering is Homeopathy as it does take note of ALL your mental symptoms , emotional symptoms and physical ones so will be helpful on multiple levels . 

The op has issues focusing his mind. Im pretty sure its not just a case of popping a multi vitamin pill.

But "heavy duty" is NOT the way to go. Taking abnormal doses of vitamins over and above recommended allowances can have damaging severe effects on your health,

Op, please disregard this irresponsible advice. I would urge you to speak to a qualified, practising medical doctor if you suspect any deficiencies. Not a phantom googling expert who is entirely unqualified to provide such advice which could be perilous at your cost.

WJKK WJKF

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On 2017-6-15 at 0:19 AM, Guest london jwaan said:

The op has issues focusing his mind. Im pretty sure its not just a case of popping a multi vitamin pill.

But "heavy duty" is NOT the way to go. Taking abnormal doses of vitamins over and above recommended allowances can have damaging severe effects on your health,

Op, please disregard this irresponsible advice. I would urge you to speak to a qualified, practising medical doctor if you suspect any deficiencies. Not a phantom googling expert who is entirely unqualified to provide such advice which could be perilous at your cost.

WJKK WJKF

by heavy duty I meant beyond a  multi-vit would supply and no I am not being irresponsible you seem to forget I did ASK if he had considered nutritional therapy because I have had good results with  my patients addiing cruciferous veg and magnesium rich green leafy veg , probiotics to  rebalance  the ratio of good to bad bacteria  as there is a link to gut biome and depression/OCD .  Stressed out individuals do use up zinc, vitamin c and b vitamins at a higher rate than others and the B vitamins help support the nervous system

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24332563

http://www.mdedge.com/clinicalpsychiatrynews/article/135918/anxiety-disorders/gut-microbiome-dysregulation-implicated-ocd

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21635-bacteria-could-be-significant-cause-of-ocd/

http://www.livestrong.com/article/491505-does-vitamin-b-12-cause-ocd-to-be-worse/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/19979294_Vitamin_B12_and_folic_acid_serum_levels_in_obsessive_compulsive_disorder

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On 2017-6-18 at 1:41 AM, jkvlondon said:

by heavy duty I meant beyond a  multi-vit would supply and no I am not being irresponsible you seem to forget I did ASK if he had considered nutritional therapy because I have had good results with  my patients addiing cruciferous veg and magnesium rich green leafy veg , probiotics to  rebalance  the ratio of good to bad bacteria  as there is a link to gut biome and depression/OCD .  Stressed out individuals do use up zinc, vitamin c and b vitamins at a higher rate than others and the B vitamins help support the nervous system

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24332563

http://www.mdedge.com/clinicalpsychiatrynews/article/135918/anxiety-disorders/gut-microbiome-dysregulation-implicated-ocd

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn21635-bacteria-could-be-significant-cause-of-ocd/

http://www.livestrong.com/article/491505-does-vitamin-b-12-cause-ocd-to-be-worse/

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/19979294_Vitamin_B12_and_folic_acid_serum_levels_in_obsessive_compulsive_disorder

Im sorry, but anyone but a medical qualified person should not be providing any opinion on what another should take. Googling vitamins is not the same as a medical degree, When you say "Patients" - I take it you are a qualified doctor, registered with the GMC?

For example, zinc toxicity, caused by taking too much - or heavy duty doses - can affect the absorption of copper and iron. Nice one JKV. Op, fancy an iron deficiency?

Taking too much B6 can cause nerve damage, too much B3 can cause Jaundice and liver toxicity. Nice one. Op, fancy a bit of that too complement your OCD?

Thought not. Me neither. See a doctor.

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I fully understand your situation. I have read somewhere that Sikh Saints have advised that when you experience  a Bad Thought, think of Waheguru jee as it is GOD who has put this thought into your head. You may be reaping the fruit of what you have planted in this life or a previous life.

These thought tell us that we need to do more Simrin and especially do more Sangat at the Gurudwara. Do not fight the thought, just say thank you to GOD and picture Waheguru in your head. I picture Guru Gobind Singh Jee Maharaj on his Horse with his Talwar up in the Air, giving me his support. It brings hope and confidence to fight these bad thoughts in this age of Kul Yug

God already knows your intentions. Everything is a Gift from God, both good and bad thoughts. Do Ardas everyday to Wahaguru and ask for his assistance and compassion.

One last important thing is to give yourself permission to do Seva, Simrin and attend Sadth Sangat even when having these Bad thought. Company o the Holy is the best place to wash the diseased mind.

 

Thank You

 

Wahahguru Jee ka Khalsa Wahahguru jee ki Fateh.

 

 

 

 

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