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Wearing Red Clothes

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I came across this tuk in Tankhahnama Bhai Nand Lal Ji,

ਸੂਹਾ ਪਹਿਨ ਲਏ ਨਸਵਾਰ|| ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜਮ ਕਰੈ ਖੁਆਰ||੧੦||

What does this tuk means? Do it really means that wearing red clothes is forbidden? If so, then why?

Will be very grateful

Thankyou

Amanpreet Singh

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All you Man Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool supporting Sikhs need to chuck those replica shirts in the bin.

I'm being serious.

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I came across this tuk in Tankhahnama Bhai Nand Lal Ji,

ਸੂਹਾ ਪਹਿਨ ਲਏ ਨਸਵਾਰ|| ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ ਜਮ ਕਰੈ ਖੁਆਰ||੧੦||

What does this tuk means? Do it really means that wearing red clothes is forbidden? If so, then why?

Will be very grateful

Thankyou

Amanpreet Singh

Khalsa Ji

When I took Amrit we were told not to wear red or green Dastaar or clothes.

Later I met an elderly Nihangh Singh who explained that green is symbolic of Islam and the clour red is placed on a dead body in the Hindu faith. The red colour is also a sign of Devi worshippers.

There may be other reasons but since then I have accepted these reasons.

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I don't know anything about this, (because im not a real sikh) but its interesting to know the colour of communism is red. Communism and facism is the same thing, just because they appear on opposite ends of the spectrum people think they differ.

Nazi Germany= Slaves under a dictatorship, with concentration camps. Communist Russia = Slaves under a dictatorship, with concentration camps.

Who else was red? The British? And we know what they are like.

It all makes sense. These negative entities like to use the colour red.

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WOW ! Will religion now dictate what color clothes we should wear ?

Dude, you need to get out of your old box: India.

Quit the psycho-Hindu mentality.

I bet if there was a tuk regarding not wearing green,

I bet you'd be the first to say "Oh, green is for Islam, let's not wear it"...

So, in simple words, accept to the learn the facts, rather than making your own maryada.

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This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Soohee on Pannaa 786

sloku mÚ 3 ]

salok ma 3 ||

Salok, Third Mehla:

sUhvIey sUhw vysu Cif qU qw ipr lgI ipAwru ]

soohaveeeae soohaa vaes shhadd thoo thaa pir lagee piaar ||

O red-robed woman, discard your red dress, and then, you shall come to love your Husband Lord.

sUhY vyis ipru iknY n pwieE mnmuiK diJ mueI gwvwir ]

soohai vaes pir kinai n paaeiou manamukh dhajh muee gaavaar ||

By wearing her red dress, no one has found her Husband Lord; the self-willed manmukh is burnt to death.

siqguir imilAY sUhw vysu gieAw haumY ivchu mwir ]

sathigur miliai soohaa vaes gaeiaa houmai vichahu maar ||

Meeting the True Guru, she discards her red dress, and eradicates egotism from within.

mnu qnu rqw lwlu hoAw rsnw rqI gux swir ]

man than rathaa laal hoaa rasanaa rathee gun saar ||

Her mind and body are imbued with the deep red color of His Love, and her tongue is imbued, singing His Praises and excellences.

sdw sohwgix sbdu min BY Bwie kry sIgwru ]

sadhaa sohaagan sabadh man bhai bhaae karae seegaar ||

She becomes His soul-bride forever, with the Word of the Shabad in her mind; she makes the Fear of God and the Love of God her ornaments and decorations.

nwnk krmI mhlu pwieAw ipru rwiKAw aur Dwir ]1]

naanak karamee mehal paaeiaa pir raakhiaa our dhhaar ||1||

O Nanak, by His Merciful Grace, she obtains the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, and keeps Him enshrined in her heart. ||1||

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Sadh Sangat Ji,

I've heard from one singh's lecture regarding red clothes....

In Baba Banda Bahudar Singh Ji's Jeevan..

If we read our history, at the time of baba banda singh bahadur...

When Baba Banda Singh and other singhs were arrested by mughul after long time, the mughuls changed the ''Guru Da Bana'' of Singhs and on purpose they put red clothes on Baba Banda Singh Bahudar and other singh and were laughed upon by mughul....

There must be a kaaran WHY on purpose mughuls only choose red colour and do basti and laugh on gursikhs.....

Singho Red Colour has many meaning which gursikhs should avoid...

Its very easy to evaluate, for example think ''A gursikh will never were a Red Bana'' ...

You can not get any feeling our love prem when you look at red colour..

This Shabad is by Guru Amar Daas Ji in Raag Soohee on Pannaa 786

sloku mÚ 3 ]

salok ma 3 ||

Salok, Third Mehla:

sUhvIey sUhw vysu Cif qU qw ipr lgI ipAwru ]

soohaveeeae soohaa vaes shhadd thoo thaa pir lagee piaar ||

O red-robed woman, discard your red dress, and then, you shall come to love your Husband Lord.

sUhY vyis ipru iknY n pwieE mnmuiK diJ mueI gwvwir ]

soohai vaes pir kinai n paaeiou manamukh dhajh muee gaavaar ||

By wearing her red dress, no one has found her Husband Lord; the self-willed manmukh is burnt to death.

siqguir imilAY sUhw vysu gieAw haumY ivchu mwir ]

sathigur miliai soohaa vaes gaeiaa houmai vichahu maar ||

Meeting the True Guru, she discards her red dress, and eradicates egotism from within.

mnu qnu rqw lwlu hoAw rsnw rqI gux swir ]

man than rathaa laal hoaa rasanaa rathee gun saar ||

Her mind and body are imbued with the deep red color of His Love, and her tongue is imbued, singing His Praises and excellences.

sdw sohwgix sbdu min BY Bwie kry sIgwru ]

sadhaa sohaagan sabadh man bhai bhaae karae seegaar ||

She becomes His soul-bride forever, with the Word of the Shabad in her mind; she makes the Fear of God and the Love of God her ornaments and decorations.

nwnk krmI mhlu pwieAw ipru rwiKAw aur Dwir ]1]

naanak karamee mehal paaeiaa pir raakhiaa our dhhaar ||1||

O Nanak, by His Merciful Grace, she obtains the Mansion of the Lord's Presence, and keeps Him enshrined in her heart. ||1||

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Sikhs didn't wear read because hindu armies wore red. There's nothing more or less than that, it was a dress code.

Correct me of i'm wrong please. I remember reading this in a previous thread when this point was brought up.

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Dude, you need to get out of your old box: India.

Quit the psycho-Hindu mentality.

I bet if there was a tuk regarding not wearing green,

I bet you'd be the first to say "Oh, green is for Islam, let's not wear it"...

So, in simple words, accept to the learn the facts, rather than making your own maryada.

NO , Infact I would have said green is color of nature , just like blue is beautiful color of sky and ocean .

Some eye doctors say focusing daily on green color helps in eye sight . Green is color of prosperity . Why associate it with Islam ?

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Thanx to all for your replies.

According to my research, after meeting a number of Gursikhs,

1. Each colour has its own effetcts. Like it is well known that a newly born child is never covered with yellow cloth becaus it can lead to 'Pilia'

2. Red Colour is also known for arrogancy according to Psychology. it may cause arrogancy in us.

3. It is also well known advise as well as command from Guru Sahib to wear simple clothes. Never wear shiny clothes. Red colour can never be a simple one.

4. Red as a symbol of Hindus and green of Muslims as Mohkam Singh Ji told.

5. Bandai Khalsa Sikhs formed after Baba Banda Singh Bahadur, started wearing red clothes and this was also a reason for fragmentation between Sikhs. It was considered as Manmat.

It can be taken as historical reference that Puratan Singhs never wore red clothes.

ਤੁਮ ਫਤੇ ਦਰਸ਼ਨ ਕੀ, ਹਮ ਫਤੇ ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਕਹੈ||

ਤੁਮ ਬਿਸਨੋਈ, ਹਮ ਚਾਰ ਬਰਨ ਰਹੈ||

ਤੁਮ ਸੂਹੋ ਪਹਰੋ, ਹਮ ਲਾਵੈ ਨਾ ਅੰਗ||

ਹਮ ਪਹਰੇ ਸੁਰਮਈ, ਤੁਮ ਪਹਰੋ ਸੰਗ||

(ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ਼)

6. I read in Saada Itihaas Part2- Principal Satbir Singh ਖਾਲਸੇ ਲਾਲ ਰੰਗ ਨੂ ਸ਼ੋਖ ਸਮਝ ਕੇ ਛਡ ਗਏ ਸਨ ਤੇ ਸੁਰਮਈ ਨੀਲੇ ਪਹਿਨਦੇ ਸਨ.

7. All the traditional Sampardaas like Nihang Singhs, DDT, Seva Panthi, Jaula, etc condemn wearing red clothes.

8. It is really true when we see someone with red clothes we get no feeling of prem.

Also, special thanks to Amarjodh Singh Ji for giving the Shabad.

Any mistake done or further reasons are welcome.

Thankyou

Amanpreet Singh

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Good grief. Our forefathers walked away from mindless rituals and superstition and embraced a faith with no superstition and rituals. And now here's us ; their offspring....now believing in even more uneducated superstition and indulging in even more rituals than the religion our forefathers left. Our religion is the most scientific and modern on earth.......and yet our mentality is the most backward and uneducated.

Red as a symbol of Hindus

If there is a Hindu colour it is saffron (kesri). We seem to love wearing that holy hindu colour.

Each colour has its own effetcts. Like it is well known that a newly born child is never covered with yellow cloth becaus it can lead to 'Pilia'

I have 2 children. Both of them, when they were born, had cribs with yellow bunting, and blanket (from toys r us). If I have another child tomorrow I promise I will wrap that child in a yellow blankey too the moment it is born. I'm a sikh....not a hindu. If I'm going to suffer from mindless superstition than I might as well stop being a Sikh.

All the traditional Sampardaas like Nihang Singhs, DDT, Seva Panthi, Jaula, etc condemn wearing red clothes

Read any western eye witness account of the Sikhs during the Sikh Kingdom day. Whether the account is written by a Frenchman, a Persian, a German or an Englandian the one thing they all have in common is that they state categorically that the Sikhs are to a man dressed in blue. Blue is the colour of the sikhs. The accounts all mention how you will never see a Sikh wearing saffron / orange (kesri) because it is the colour of the hindus. Now....apparently saffron (kesri) is a good thing. Now.....the colour that my sikh forefathers shunned is the flavour of the day. In this upside down world we live in today things have been turned on thier head. Today, it is Sikhs that will leave Sikhism and embrace Hinduism claiming it is because there are too many rituals and silly superstitious beliefs in Sikhism.

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Blue is the colour of the sikhs. The accounts all mention how you will never see a Sikh wearing saffron / orange (kesri) because it is the colour of the hindus. Now....apparently saffron (kesri) is a good thing. Now.....the colour that my sikh forefathers shunned is the flavour of the day. In this upside down world we live in today things have been turned on thier head. Today, it is Sikhs that will leave Sikhism and embrace Hinduism claiming it is because there are too many rituals and silly superstitious beliefs in Sikhism.

I always wondered why saffron is a sacred color in sikhism . Our nishan sahib is kesri , When bibis go to gurdwara they will wrap in saffron chuniyan over their head , but never by mistake use white . They are always afraid that someone may call them muslims if they use white chunni .

Secondly , Siropa is kesri and bana is kesri . Kesri has become more important than blue . God knows where it came from !

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Good grief. Our forefathers walked away from mindless rituals and superstition and embraced a faith with no superstition and rituals. And now here's us ; their offspring....now believing in even more uneducated superstition and indulging in even more rituals than the religion our forefathers left. Our religion is the most scientific and modern on earth.......and yet our mentality is the most backward and uneducated.

If there is a Hindu colour it is saffron (kesri). We seem to love wearing that holy hindu colour.

I have 2 children. Both of them, when they were born, had cribs with yellow bunting, and blanket (from toys r us). If I have another child tomorrow I promise I will wrap that child in a yellow blankey too the moment it is born. I'm a sikh....not a hindu. If I'm going to suffer from mindless superstition than I might as well stop being a Sikh.

Read any western eye witness account of the Sikhs during the Sikh Kingdom day. Whether the account is written by a Frenchman, a Persian, a German or an Englandian the one thing they all have in common is that they state categorically that the Sikhs are to a man dressed in blue. Blue is the colour of the sikhs. The accounts all mention how you will never see a Sikh wearing saffron / orange (kesri) because it is the colour of the hindus. Now....apparently saffron (kesri) is a good thing. Now.....the colour that my sikh forefathers shunned is the flavour of the day. In this upside down world we live in today things have been turned on thier head. Today, it is Sikhs that will leave Sikhism and embrace Hinduism claiming it is because there are too many rituals and silly superstitious beliefs in Sikhism.

Actually saffron isn't a color of the Khalsa like you said, it was yellow (saroun/saag flower color), blue and white.

For a Sikh this is the uniform of the Khalsa, the reason Sikhs were told not to wear red was becaues hidu armies wore it. If the USA soldier uniform consists of wearing red white and blue, you won't see an enemy wearing the same colors.

sgl ik®Aw mih aUqm ikirAw ]

sagal kiraaa mehi ootham kiriaa ||

Of all religious rituals, the most sublime ritual

swDsMig durmiq mlu ihirAw ]

saadhhasa(n)g dhuramath mal hiriaa ||

is to erase the filth of the dirty mind in the Company of the Holy

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WSL Ji,

Then what is the meaning of that Tuk in Tankhahnama of Bhai Sahib Bhai Nand Lal Ji, the Shromini Kavi of Guru Sahib.

Our thinking may be wrong but he can never be wrong.

Thankyou

Amanpreet Singh

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sUhvIey sUhw vysu Cif qU qw ipr lgI ipAwru ]

soohaveeeae soohaa vaes shhadd thoo thaa pir lagee piaar ||

O red-robed woman, discard your red dress, and then, you shall come to love your Husband Lord.

Don't brides dress in red on their wedding day? I think that is what the shabad by Guru Arjan was referring to. Don't marry yourself to this physical world. Instead, become a bride of Waheguru. The bride of God is a common reference, starting with Guru Nanak who drew from Sufi poetry. Also referred to as "Husband-Lord".

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Red is also nit worn because it is a sign of royalty.

Green is an islamic colour. However. In guru gobind singh ji maharaj times. Guru ji wore green and hated the colour blue. Because blue was the islamic colour. Look at the pics of guru ji at hajoor sahib. Guru ji is wearing green.

I have no clue why now nihangs wear blue when maharaj hated that colour. If someone knows. Could u please share it with us.

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This is true what you say, but Gurbani can be understood as a literal translation or as a metaphor.

Also, red is seen as a 'karmawala' colour, so those that wear think they are 'vadbhaga,'etc. But Guru Ji says that love is the most Karmawala colour,etc.

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i understand no red and green , but how about Maroon(nabi) or Gulabi color .. the ones you tie pags at weddings ..

there are some amritdhari are in army and they wear green.

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This is interesting :p the amount of red you see at a typical wedding but compare it to a Amritdhari Wedding it's Blue :p This says alot.

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My views , shoukd nobody feels agitated, Gurbani says " Rang sabhey narainey jetey man bhavann ." ( ang 134- 3, Baramaha Manjh M5) Nature and colors are all made by Waheguru, parmeshar himself , how come One is bad and other good.

Because green was the color of moghul army flag , the use in khalsa dal was taboo to avoid misundestanding during battles, and for the same reason red was banned as pahadi rajas , who were perpetually at war with guru sahib ji . It was simple logicand practice without religious adsignment for colors. Did not guru sahib had many muslims and hindus on his side?

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Hmmm what I know from my reading of sikh Itihas

Neela bana is parvan - from Guru Gobind SIngh ji's time

Green dastars were worn by Muslims and still are

Kesri dastars I was told by my elders in SIkhi when I was going to protest in 84 that it is the rang of shaheedi

Lal dastar is banned as Banda Bahadur Singh ji seperated from Guru ji's mission and became ahankari and started his own bana of red dastar the Bandai Khalsa was the name of this group , when he got arrested he realised and asked for forgiveness from Guru ji. After this the Bandi khalsa was disbanded and the Singhs came back under the Tat Khalsa and returned to Blue Bana

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