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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emyJMkPV4fA&feature=related




Why are we turning a blind eye to all this?

There were 292,800 Christians in whole Punjab in 2001 (census).

Now there are 900,000. Thats what they say, exaggerated figures? Yes maybe, but their numbers have atleast doubled.


"In Punjab, there are around 900,000 Christian voters and the largest chunk, 17 percent, reside in Gurdaspur district. Here their number is over 150,000. After Gurdaspur, maximum Christian voters are in Amritsar, Ferozepur and Ludhiana districts," Kanwal Bakshi, state president of Punjab's United Christian Front (UCF), told IANS.
http://www.thaindian..._100190156.html


One guy named Harbhajan Sion (in videos too) alone convert 2800 people from his village.



John Dayal, secretary general of the All India Christian Council, said there is a new openness to Christ in the state.

"Punjab has had a traumatic 20 years," Dayal said. "Currently there is … joblessness, drug addiction, easy money, and division between Hindus and Sikhs. In search of a path, people are turning to Christ for the healing of body, mind, and soul."

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Over the last several years, several thousand Sikhs, many of them Dalits, have left Sikhism for Christianity. In April, 200 Dalits converted in the town of Moga. Another 48 converted in Amritsar, the province's capital and home to Sikhism's revered Golden Temple. Precise overall figures are not available, however. Many Sikhs who convert keep their ethnic names, so tracking them is difficult. More importantly, Christians do not publicize mass conversions for fear of inciting local wrath, which is becoming a problem.
http://www.christian...july/16.24.html






Pastor apologises to Sikh Panth, averts communal confrontation.

Kapurthala, Feb 15 2004 (PTI) A pastor running a church in the district Sunday tendered a written apology to the Akal Takht and the Sikh Panth for making derogatory remarks against the Sikh Gurus and Sikh holy book Guru Granth Sahib, averting a possible confrontation between the two communties.

Pastor Harbhajan Singh of Khojewal village of northern Indian state of Punjab also postponed Sunday's prayer meeting at his church.

Kapurthala police had registered a criminal case against Harbhajan Singh and two others for distributing objectionable posters against the Sikh Gurus in the villages on February 2.

Agitated over this, Sikh youths had entered the open …
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OhTwadi    73

What do you expect when Sikhs are turning people away and putting other's down every chance they get. It can be for any reason, their poor financial status, or their 'lower caste', or the fact that they may not have good education etc. Whatever the case may be, every human deserves some respect, which as I have personally seen is not given to many, especially the poor. Have you seen the condition of servants in Punjabi homes? They are treated like dogs! When someone is in need for help, we turn a blind eye to it. You don't have to go far to see this, it has happened on this very forum many times in the past.

On the other hand, the Christian organizations are actively seeking out the poor and needy, offering them a helping hand. Think about it, if you were in terrible financial shape and had a hard time putting food on the table and some Christian person came an gave you help, it would naturally make you curious about Christianity.

All we Sikhs are doing is using all the money we have to build big gurudwara buildings, instead, we should be helping the poor and the needy. 99.99% of the population does not care about religion when they can not put food in their stomach and roof over their head. Every thing else is secondary to roti (food), kapra (clothing), makaan (housing).

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Paneer Monster    230

i use to occasionally watch glory tv and i have found there are many specific anti sikh elements to their preaching. Interesting how Amritsar Sahib is one of the maximum christian voting districts.

on glory tv i have found:

1. theres some sikh guy in a red turban who talks of how pointless it was for him growing up around sikh influences. this guy still keeps a red phag but is clean shaven... i think he has his own show on there.

2. there was a christian music video, at the end of it, there was a indian christian with his hands together and he said "mera muj meh kich nahi jo kich hai so tera".

3. on glory tv they aired some jesus film and dubbed punjabi over it and used terms like "kirat karna", "vand chhako", "amritvela", and... (this ones a killa!)... "akaal purakh da hukam".

4 they sometimes have some whtie woman talking at various different locations saying how she married a sikh who use to believe in "recarnation and all the rest of it" and how he found christianity through her

5. theres a priest called "onkar singh" who usually weares white kurta pajama... they have purposely left his name a sikh name, and when he does aardas they dont do it christian style, they do it sikh style, standing, hands together and again, they use alot of gurmat terminology. at the end of their aardas they do their equivilent of a jaikara (after they say amen).

6. theres certainly other things, but i didnt watch the channel 24/7... just occasionally... and recently (in the last year or so) i aint watched the channel fullstop. back in the day i tried calling in to afew of their programs but i could never get through.

it doesnt supprise me at all that "A pastor running a church in the district Sunday tendered a written apology to the Akal Takht and the Sikh Panth for making derogatory remarks against the Sikh Gurus and Sikh holy book Guru Granth Sahib, averting a possible confrontation between the two communties.".

On the contrary, sikhs never target groups of poeple (or even individuals) to convert.... nor do we diss the founders of their faiths whilst preaching to sangat.

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I know, thats why I support Khalsa Aid and there work that prevents poor Sikhs to take such drastic steps. But we keep crying about Hinduisation but forget growing Islam (due to Gujjars - I have heard first hand accounts how some of them spit while passing by Gurdwaras) and Christianity in Punjab?

Paneer veer, you got it. They use Sikh appearence and vocabulary to fool uneducated masses. Their pastors usually keep the Sikhi saroop even after converting to fool us. They use Satsang instead of congregation, Satguru for Jesus etc.

Then there are the so called lower caste people who also have gotten into this trap and adopted Ravidasia 'religion' instead of Sikhi.

One suggestion; When you go India, don't offer more than 100rs while matha tekking. Use the remaining money to give to the poor for education, etc.

Afterall Gareeb da Munh, Guru Di Golak.

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SantLUCIFER    29

Oh Twadi hits the nail on the head. Sikhs in Panjab, the Gurdwars care more about keeping maya to themselves and not going to help/assist poor people who need the help. Christians see this, and they don't need a certain caste to recruit [neither does Sikhi, but being the cretins we are we adore caste separation]. Sikhs need to do what I said in the former.

Fateh Ji.

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has anyone seen derren browns miracles for sale, that guy exposed these so called faith healers. i tired to find the link but couldn't found it was broadcasted by channel4, it should be on channel4.com but not available not on even youtube its removed

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Singh559    2,565

Christian missionaries are trying very hard. They're sending oriental people around Punjab from the states. I know a few people who are part of some youth group and go with the aim of converting people.

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11Gurus1Jot    174

Sant Jarnail Singh Khalsa Brindrawale's own brother Captain Singh saw 5000 people take Amrit from Sant Ji (as part of the Panj Piyare) in 1 day! If we are given another leader like Sant Ji all we be in Chardi Kala!

In the meantime, we could send in the White American and Russian Sikhs to bring the brown Punjabis back into their priceless Sikhi.

Good luck to the real Christians and anyone who wants to join them.

However, I have not seen anything in the above vidoes to suggest that all those starring on stage weren't simply the Pastor's own paid people. That also includes the lady in the second video who drags her feet, shakes, cries, and makes areoplane noises! It's nice to think of anyone joining any religion becuase they are inspired by it. But the cheap tricks like those above, to con people into a religion, are just plain sad!

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Paneer Monster    230

existing religions are allowerd to preach in punjab, new religions are alowed to be created - this is fine...... but when these groups use and abuse gurbani, gurmat terms, sikh attire and manipulate sikh sangat they are infact challanging the sikhs.

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Singh559    2,565

existing religions are allowerd to preach in punjab, new religions are alowed to be created - this is fine...... but when these groups use and abuse gurbani, gurmat terms, sikh attire and manipulate sikh sangat they are infact challanging the sikhs.

Agreed, on top of that there are subtle and very real attacks on Sikhs. The government is bought out by criminal cults that have no other intention than money and tryign to hurt Sikhs.

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We already don't have a big majority in Punjab, it was 59% in 2001. If it continues like this within ten years we shall be a minority: 35% Sikh (that too mostly by name), 50% Hindu (bhaiyya influx), 10% Christian (high conversion rate of poorer sections of society) and 5% muslim (gujjar influx).

SGPC have an annual budget of over 1000 crore rupees, where do they spend it? They eat half of it, and to fool the masses they (unnecessarily) renovate some Gurdwaras (destroying the original marble etc).

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VanHelsingh    1,970

@ SevadaarEKhalsa - Wow. Is that how much income the SGPC generates? If our Gurus were amongst us today (you know what I mean), would they allow the caretakers of our Gurudwaras to hoard money and waste it on God knows what, instead of distributing it amongst the poor and helping society? Yet they still have the gall to call themselves true Sikhs and take lofty positions of authority in Sikhi? Shame on them and they WILL have to answer for all their misdeeds when their lives are over.

Why can we identify these issues and causes to help our fellow Sikh brothers and sisters, yet those who are in a position to do something seem oblivious to it all? Are we wrong? Are we missing out on some vital detail that means we're not grasping the truth of the situation? The mind boggles.

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