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This is such a shame the word Naam Simran is being abused. Naam Simran is something that a person gets after following the Satguru. The Naamdaris don't follow the Satguru, they follow dedhari gurus, which are not the Satguru, so all they are doing is rituals. Without the Satguru there is no Naam Simran.

so by this only an absolute miniscule proportion of humans will get mukti? The 99.99999999999999% are left in churasi lakh joon?

If, and its a big if, only people who get Naam from Satguru, will get mukti, then shouldnt we Sikhs proselytyse and and stand on street corners, town centre's and cold-call on people to tell them to save themselves by coming to Gurmat Marg? Shouldnt we change our attitude about converting non-Sikhs into Sikhs instead of pretending that we are not out for converts? Why are we prepared to save ourselves and let others remain in churasi? Isnt that a sin in itself that will take us away from Satguru?

If that is the case, then we Sikhs are in for some big chhitter from Guru.

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so by this only an absolute miniscule proportion of humans will get mukti? The 99.99999999999999% are left in churasi lakh joon?

If, and its a big if, only people who get Naam from Satguru, will get mukti, then shouldnt we Sikhs proselytyse and and stand on street corners, town centre's and cold-call on people to tell them to save themselves by coming to Gurmat Marg? Shouldnt we change our attitude about converting non-Sikhs into Sikhs instead of pretending that we are not out for converts? Why are we prepared to save ourselves and let others remain in churasi? Isnt that a sin in itself that will take us away from Satguru?

If that is the case, then we Sikhs are in for some big chhitter from Guru.

This is a topic on Naamdhari, so stick to the topic (we had the above conversation before and stop trying to guilt people into your thinking, be straight forward and see where you get). There are many fake people out there trying to get people to follow fake dedhari Gurus, like the Naamdharis. Whether read Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji Maharaj is not issue. It's if they accept Maharaj as Satguru and they don't. They accept dedhari Guru's as Satguru so there is no Naam Simran in what they do. If they accept a dedhari Guru and Maharaj equally, then again they don't accept Maharaj because no one is equal to Maharaj and are in duality. Where there is duality there is no Naam Simran. Maharaj is the Satguru and they don't follow the Satguru meaning there is no Naam Simran in there practice.

For your questions above i'll start a new thread so this thread is not taken off track.

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(we had the above conversation before and stop trying to guilt people into your thinking, be straight forward and see where you get).

For your questions above i'll start a new thread so this thread is not taken off track.

whereas you dont try to make people guilty who dont subscribe to your version of sikhi?

lets see the new thread.

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whereas you dont try to make people guilty who dont subscribe to your version of sikhi?

lets see the new thread.

Please dont tell me your defending naamdhari beliefs??...tha same belief which states that our father sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj ran and hid away in a jungle like a coward..while his khalsa was making the soils of northern india run red with their own blood...i hope your not suggesting sri guru gobind singh ji is a coward?

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Please dont tell me your defending naamdhari beliefs??...tha same belief which states that our father sri guru gobind singh ji maharaj ran and hid away in a jungle like a coward..while his khalsa was making the soils of northern india run red with their own blood...i hope your not suggesting sri guru gobind singh ji is a coward?

relax brother, i dont have any belief in the Namdhari teachings on Guru Gobind Singh Ji. None whatsoever. What i was questioning was only 5 post that states the Sikhs are the only people who really do naam simran. then we should get our skates on and save the world. Rather than leave them in churasi lakh joon and save ourselves only. Brother only 5 is making a new thread on this so we can discuss it further there.

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Vahaeguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Yes, you are right, the Namdharis in the mid 1860s under the misdirected zeal for protection of the cows, under age old Brahminical precepts, were involved in the murder of Muslims who were butchers by trade.

Baba Ram Singh was then deported to Rangoon, where he died in 1884. The Namdharis, even under Baba Ram Singh had developed certain peculiarities!!!! And, even though it's a historical fact that Baba Ram Singh wrote letters to the Namdharis telling them that he was NOT a Guru, the Namdharis still made him a Guru! The Brahmins had suceeded with the plan, which they have always had since Sikhi began, which was to lead people away from the true Sat Guru, currently the eternal Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj. They'd already made the Namdharis become their puppets with the 'cow protection incident'.

Ever since then, the Namdharis, since the death of Baba Ram Singh, who clearly stated, in writing, from his letters from Rangoon Prison, that he was NOT a Guru, and was NEVER given Guruship from Guru Gobind SIngh Ji Maharaaj, have carried on being conned by the Brahmins to the point where they do not take the first ,and final step, of being a Sikh, which is to accept eternal Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj as your one and only Guru. They are not bad people, just conned and mislead people, on the issue of the true living eternal Sat Guru (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj).

The latest Brahmin conning and misleading these innocent people is some fragile figure of a person who calls himself Jagjit. This Fragile Jagjit is so egotistical that he will not admit that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj is the one true living eternal true Satguru of all Sikhs. But, instead, this Jagjit character lets these poor innocent people follow him around, even though, he is not a SIkh himself !!!!!

Respect to the Namdharis for doing Kirtan, but they should become Sikhs, by accepting the eternal true living Satguru, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj, as their one and only Guru!

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Vaheguru JI Ki Fateh!

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I still don't understand the clamour amongst certain sections of our people to have a living, breathing Guru. What's the point? There's no need. Everything we need is in Guru Granth Sahib Ji (and by extension our other holy Granths). Are people so lacking in faith and belief in the Bani of Guru that they need a living, breathing man to be able to follow the faith?

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I think it's the fault of Sikhs too, not just the fault of the guys who belong to the Namdhari cult. Some Sikhs patronise this Namdhari Cult by making them feel they are not misled. You see these people from the Namdharis Cult at the Vasakhi Mela, which celebrates 1699. Is it me, or does anyone else find that totally hypocritical? The Namdharis clearly defy Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Hukam/command, but then they are at Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Mela. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Jot/Soul, the same Jot/Soul Guru Nanak Dev Ji transferred to Guru Gobind Singh Ji, through 8 Gurus, resides in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, who the Namdhari Cult do not revere as their Guru. Guru Gobind Singh Ji's physical form is in the Panj Piyare, the Khalsa Panth, who the Namdhari Cult also defy and deny. So why are Namdhari Cult at the Melas? When you see a Christian, Muslim or Hindu at the mela you think, hey, that's good, you have every right to believe in your religion and be here, it's not like your trying to corrupt what Guru Nanak Dev Ji started, and Guru Gobind Singh Ji completed, unlike, the Namdhari's who do try and corrupt this. It is a historically recorded, and witnessed, FACT, that the tenth Nanak Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj did

  • give Guruship to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj in 1708 to eternity
  • Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj gave the power to give 'naam' to the Panj Piyare in 1699 onwards, not just the permission, but the actual power. Taking naam from anyone else is not the naam of the 11 Gurus. The current (mis)leader of the Namdhari Cult, Jagjit, who puts himself forward as Guru over Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj, even though he himself is not a Sikh, and as he has not taken Amrit, the same Amrit Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj took!!!

For anyone, including the people of this Namdhari Cult, to not believe they have to follow both of the above, to become a fully-fledged Sikh, is totally misleading, and also defying Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj. To defy Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj is to defy Guru Nanak Dev Ji, you cannot separate the 11 Gurus, they are One!

The Namdhari Cult defies the 11 Gurus, and therefore Sikhi itself. The Namdharis Cult cannot say they the follow what the 9 Guru's did up until Guru Tegh Bahadur and only, but defy Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaaj. That's what Guru Nanak's Son's did, they tried to say they followed the Hukam of Guru Nanak Dev Ji, but rejected Guru Angad Dev Ji's Hukam. There were also doubters of the other Gurus too! Those doubters were viewed as Anti-Sikhi individual. Bhai Gurdaas called them 'meenas' for trying to Corrupt the Sikhs and start their own Cults too.

So how can this Namdhari Cult say, they follow the hukam of only some of the Gurus, and do not follow the Hukam of Guru Gobind Singh Ji, to follow only Guru Granth Sahib Ji as their Guru, and only take naam/Amrit from the Panj Piyare?:khalsa:

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Anybody or anything that goes against the tenants of the Guru Granth Sahib whether a religion a race or an individual is bound to fail even more proof of this here with the namdhari cult internal power struggles all down to power and money are always present when greedy people try to exploit religion for their own gains.

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