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http://www.tribuneindia.com/2011/20110413/main4.htm

Namdhari leader shot dead near Bhaini Sahib

Shivani Bhakoo and Gurminder Grewal

Tribune News Service

Ludhiana/Bhaini Sahib, April 12

Two unidentified persons today shot dead 57-year-old Avtar Singh Tari, a staunch follower of Satguru Jagjit Singh Ji of Bhaini Sahib (about 25 km from here) on the Ludhiana-Chandigarh highway. Based at Mohali, Avtar Singh, belonging to the Namdhari sect, was a frequent visitor to Bhaini Sahib.

According to available information, Avtar Singh started from Mohali this morning in his Toyota Altis car. On the way he was followed by three persons on a Pulsar bike. Fearing a threat to life, Avtar Singh stopped at an acquaintance's place near Kohara. After staying there for about 15-20 minutes, when he resumed his journey to Bhaini Sahib, the unidenified persons on the motorbike, who were waiting for him, started firing at him from point-blank range.

According to witnesses, the bullets were pumped straight into his chest, head, stomach and thighs and he died on the spot. The body of Avtar Singh was sent to Civil Hospital, Ludhiana for the postmortem.

The police recovered 11 empty cartridges from the spot. The Police Commissioner Ishwar Singh, who was camping at Bhaini Sahib till the filing of this report, said, "The situation is under control and the investigations are on. Forensic experts have taken the empty cartridges to find which weapon was used by the assailants for committing the crime". The case under Sections 302/34/120 B (IPC) and 25/54/59 of the Arms Act has been registered against three unidentified persons at the Sahnewal police station.

One of the sewadars at Bhaini Sahib gurdwara, on the condition of anonymity, said that the deceased is survived by one son and two daughters. "Basically, Avtar Singh belonged to village Amrasaar in Sirsa district and was into the property dealing business. He was a staunch follower of Satguru Jagjit Singh Ji. Though it is too early to say anything but we believe that the murder is the outcome of a personal rivalry. Some sophisticated weapon seems to have been used by the assailants", said the sewadar.

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GoliMaro    4

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According to witnesses, the bullets were pumped straight into his chest, head, stomach and thighs and he died on the spot.

Only if our own Panth was still into doing this to all the pankhandi so called leaders and those fake people, maybe Panjab would be a better place today. :rolleyes2:

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Pyara    287

From what's being said in Punjab it looks like a feud over the fake gaddi of "Guru" Jagjit Singh between his maternal grandson Jai Singh and Thakur Dalip Singh (the nephew of Jagit Singh). Both want to be the next "Guru"...

Thakur Dalip Singh is the son of Thakur Singh (brother of current guru Jagjit Singh) and is claiming ownership of the gaddi. On the other front you have Jai Singh who is the son of one of Jagjit Singh's daughters who also claims ownership of the gaddi. Jai Singh had been groomed as the next namdhari "Guru" by Jagjit however some namdhari's are now arguing that the "Guru" lineage should come from the paternal side which links back to "Guru" Ram Singh.

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/Namdhari-sect-s-aide-shot-dead--heir-apparent-booked/775545/

http://www.punjabnewsline.com/content/aide-namdhari-sect-head-shot-dead-punjab/30279

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Pyara    287

Gur-ghaddi? :rolleyes2:

The naamdharis believe in a continued lineage after Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj. They claim a further 5 dehdhari "Gurus":

"guru" Balak Singh

"guru" Ram Singh

"guru" Hari Singh

"guru" Partap Singh

"guru" Jagjit Singh (current)

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VanHelsingh    1,970

The naamdharis believe in a continued lineage after Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj. They claim a further 5 dehdhari "Gurus":

"guru" Balak Singh

"guru" Ram Singh

"guru" Hari Singh

"guru" Partap Singh

"guru" Jagjit Singh (current)

I'm speechless. I really.....

What are they saying? That they are incarnations of Guru Gobind Singh Ji or even Akal Purakh?

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Pyara    287

I'm speechless. I really.....

What are they saying? That they are incarnations of Guru Gobind Singh Ji or even Akal Purakh?

http://www.namdhari-...ikhs/4541444517

Extract from above website

"After Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, mainstream Sikh's believe that Satguru Ji passed on the Guruship to Sikh's Holy Book called the Sri Guru Granth Sahib, and that Satguru Ji passed away on the 7 October 1708.

Namdhari Sikh's however believe that Sri Satguru Gobind Singh Ji did not die at Nanded, but eloped and lived under the Name Baba Ajaypal Singh in Nabha. Namdhari Sikh's believe that Guru Gobind Singh Ji lived until the age of 146 (until 1812) and passed on the Guruship to Sri Guru Balak Singh Ji in Hazro in 1812. This belief is the split in Mainstream Sikh's and Namdhari Sikhs. Where mainstream Sikh's ended their continuation in Guruship at Sri Guru Granth Sahib as their ever-lasting Guru, Namdhari Sikh's still follow the principle of having a Living Guru as their Teacher.

After Sri Satguru Balak Singh Ji, Namdhari Sikh's believe in Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji as their 12th Guru. Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji was responsible for giving Namdhari's Sikh's their distinctive looks (White horizontal tied turban and simple white Kurtha Pajama). Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji is a philosopher and reformer and the first Indian to use non-cooperation and boycotting of British merchandise and services as a political weapon. Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji launched his revolt against the British on 12 April 1857 by hoisting a white flag of freedom and announced a programme of far reaching significance.

As the British became increasingly aware of Satguru Ji's ever growing popularity amongst the locals, they quickly acted by arresting Satguru Ji and exiling him to Calcutta and then to Burma on 11th March 1872.

When Satguru Ram Singh Ji was arrested by the British, he instructed his Sikhs that his brother Bhai Budh Singh would keep the now be responsible for the Ghaddi (Guruship) until he returned. Satguru Ram Singh Ji then renamed Bhai Budh Singh to Sri Satguru Hari Singh Ji, and said that he will now keep Sikhi Hari (Green).

After Sri Satguru Hari Singh Ji, the Guruship was passed onto Sri Satguru Partap Singh Ji in 1906 and then to Sri Satguru Jagjit Singh Ji in 1959.

Today thousands of Namdhari Sikhs which originated in the Punjab region of India extend out to Thailand, England, Africa, Australia, Canada and America. With the ever growing Sangat around the world, Sri Satguru Jagjit Singh Ji has made numerous trips blessing and teaching his Sikhs Always reminding them that Sri Satguru Ram Singh Ji is going to return and retain his title as the 12th Guru of the Namdhari Sikhs."

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wow how can they even think to compare themselves to Guru Granth Sahib Jee Maharaj thats just sik ! so now there 'guru' is dead they have no one leading them falsely

i heard they also keep Guru Maharaj in a cupboard and use maharaj as a reference ! this is disgraceful !! when will people stop followin fakes and embrace the truth !

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Namdharis are hindus just go on their websites they get married around a fire ,they do havan ,they even burn angs of gurbani they believe in devis and are cool with radhaswamis basically they are a cult whos aim is to hinduize Sikhs

I;ve been waiting for this day for years about time they killed each other off their Guru just dont seem to die even though he cant go for a s***

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Cisco_Singh    552

Namdharis are hindus just go on their websites they get married around a fire ,they do havan ,they even burn angs of gurbani they believe in devis and are cool with radhaswamis basically they are a cult whos aim is to hinduize Sikhs

I;ve been waiting for this day for years about time they killed each other off their Guru just dont seem to die even though he cant go for a s***

Thats a quite harsh and out of context post... Ols School Nihangs also used to do Havans, there is loads of verses in various Sikk Scripture which talks about Devis..Dasam Granth in particular...Chandi Di Vaar etc, There is an important and undeiable link between the martial aspects of Sikhi and the respect for devis (forms of Akaal Purakhs Shakti), Another example is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Battle Standard held at Hazur Sahib the Asth Bhuja Dhuja.

Now I dont personally agree with the Naamdharis ideoligy of continued lineage of Guruship...I think it's completely out of order to misrepresent Guru Gobind Singh Ji's character in the way they have, saying he lived in isolation for several years etcc...They themselves will now begn to struggle as the time gap iuncreases while they wait fot Ram Singh to return...it's already looking more or less impossible,

Historically they made a lot of sacrifices during the freedom struggle a lot of Naamdharis became shaheed. They also could teach a fair few mainstream Gyanis a thing or two about Raag Vidiya and Gurmat Sangeet, theyre knowledge of traditional indian classical music and Kirtan is superior to most mainstream gianis.

They also do tremendous amounts of Naam Simran and mediation, a lot more than I do and probably more than a fair few members here

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Thats a quite harsh and out of context post... Ols School Nihangs also used to do Havans, there is loads of verses in various Sikk Scripture which talks about Devis..Dasam Granth in particular...Chandi Di Vaar etc, There is an important and undeiable link between the martial aspects of Sikhi and the respect for devis (forms of Akaal Purakhs Shakti), Another example is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Battle Standard held at Hazur Sahib the Asth Bhuja Dhuja.

Now I dont personally agree with the Naamdharis ideoligy of continued lineage of Guruship...I think it's completely out of order to misrepresent Guru Gobind Singh Ji's character in the way they have, saying he lived in isolation for several years etcc...They themselves will now begn to struggle as the time gap iuncreases while they wait fot Ram Singh to return...it's already looking more or less impossible,

Historically they made a lot of sacrifices during the freedom struggle a lot of Naamdharis became shaheed. They also could teach a fair few mainstream Gyanis a thing or two about Raag Vidiya and Gurmat Sangeet, theyre knowledge of traditional indian classical music and Kirtan is superior to most mainstream gianis.

They also do tremendous amounts of Naam Simran and mediation, a lot more than I do and probably more than a fair few members here

The amount of naam simran they do is between them and waheguru...the amount of beadbi of sikhi they do is between us and them...we have no problem with the amount of naam simran they do...but they should know this if they challenge sikhi and attempt to distort it..then we have a major problem..theyre near enough being kept alive by massive handouts from the central government...once the khalsa raj comes their false organistaion will fall away into the history books like every other fake gurudom which came..they are no different from them!!

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Thats a quite harsh and out of context post... Ols School Nihangs also used to do Havans, there is loads of verses in various Sikk Scripture which talks about Devis..Dasam Granth in particular...Chandi Di Vaar etc, There is an important and undeiable link between the martial aspects of Sikhi and the respect for devis (forms of Akaal Purakhs Shakti), Another example is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Battle Standard held at Hazur Sahib the Asth Bhuja Dhuja.

Show us which devi Satguru respected? Satguru respects the shakti of Akal Purakh not the devi that misused the power. The devis are not the shakti, but the forms that got lost in maya by miss using the shakti Akal Purakh gave them. They had the shakti, but that does not mean Satguru respected them. Satguru calls Krishna words which will be hurtful to the ears that respect him.

They also do tremendous amounts of Naam Simran and mediation, a lot more than I do and probably more than a fair few members here

This is such a shame the word Naam Simran is being abused. Naam Simran is something that a person gets after following the Satguru. The Naamdaris don't follow the Satguru, they follow dedhari gurus, which are not the Satguru, so all they are doing is rituals. Without the Satguru there is no Naam Simran.

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