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[Amanbhogal]

helllo evryone...

i am a new memeber here with a motive of gaining some information regarding our own religion...

n i have a few questions ...

hoping a good response from your side...

1. why does caste system still prevails among sikhs...if our religion aborts it?

2.why do many sikhs visit temple's n worship hindu Gods..whereas idol worshipping is strictly probhitted.?

thank u

[Amanbhogal]

sure feel free to ask any questions

[malkeet]

helllo evryone...

i am a new memeber here with a motive of gaining some information regarding our own religion...

n i have a few questions ...

hoping a good response from your side...

1. why does caste system still prevails among sikhs...if our religion aborts it?

2.why do many sikhs visit temple's n worship hindu Gods..whereas idol worshipping is strictly probhitted.?

thank u

1. caste system is not a part of sikhi. There is total equality within the sikh faith. People whom choose to maintain belief in a caste system can not call themself a sikh as this is a core fundamental belief.

2. People who go to temples and worship hindu gods are not sikhs.

Being born into a sikh family doesnt make you a sikh, you are only a sikh once you follow the teachings of sikhi fully.

If you want to learn about the sikh religion then there is a wealth of information on this site. id also recommend

www.allaboutsikhs.com

[peacentdisease]

1. caste system is not a part of sikhi. There is total equality within the sikh faith. People whom choose to maintain belief in a caste system can not call themself a sikh as this is a core fundamental belief.

2. People who go to temples and worship hindu gods are not sikhs.

Being born into a sikh family doesnt make you a sikh, you are only a sikh once you follow the teachings of sikhi fully.

If you want to learn about the sikh religion then there is a wealth of information on this site. id also recommend

www.allaboutsikhs.com

you are extremely right brother

but is there any 0ne to explain this?

How can God Create himself?According to Guru Nanak Dev, he claims that “God himself told me that he is self-created”.

How can God be subject to laws and constraints of his own creation? Concepts such as time, form, shape, etc, are constructs of God. As an unlimited entity, how can God be subject to limited constraints, such as “creating”.

Surely, as God, he is outwith all such concepts. To ask how God is “made” is to misunderstand what God is.

tc

peace

[malkeet]

Hello, thankyou for your enquisitive enquires with regards to sikhi. By the very fact that you have been drawn to this sikh forum, this suggests that you still have many questions unanswered by your new faith. I am still learning, however i shall humbly attempt to answer your questions. I also look forward to fellow more learned forumers responses.

God is everywhere and in everyone. i have taken a nice explanation from the following site:

http://www.searchsikhism.com/nirgun.html

Let’s begin with Nirgun and Sargun first. We (Sikhs) openly accept this concept to be true since every word of Gurbani is directly revealed from Waheguru. Therefore, Waheguru is Nirgun and Sargun.

saragun niragun nira(n)kaar su(n)n samaadhhee aap ||

He possesses all qualities; He transcends all qualities; He is the Formless Lord. He Himself is in Primal Samaadhi. (Ang 290)

niragun aap saragun bhee ouhee ||

He Himself is absolute and unrelated; He Himself is also involved and related. (Ang 287)

raaj joban prabh thoo(n) dhhanee || thoo(n) niragun thoo(n) saragunee ||2||

O God, You are my power, authority and youth. You are absolute, without attributes, and also related, with the most sublime attributes. ||2|| (Ang 211)

nira(n)kaar aakaar aap niragun saragun eaek ||

He Himself is formless, and also formed; the One Lord is without attributes, and also with attributes. (Ang 250)

There are many more quotes but the fact is that wherever Waheguru is mentioned as “Nirgun” word “Sargun” also appears. Both words appearing right after each other in the same line does not mean contradiction but a characteristic of Waheguru. Had the two words been separate one could raise doubts. Any rational person can see that since Guru Sahib mentioned both words together there must be hidden meanings to it. The problem with Muslims is that they do not understand why Waheguru is referred to as Sargun.

To explain the concept in simple terms, we go to the beginning of time. First Waheguru was only Nirgun as there existed nothing but Him. Then He created the entire creation i.e. solar systems, galaxies, planets, life forms, humans etc. In other words, anything to everything originated from Waheguru.

From the One Light, the entire universe welled up. So who is good, and who is bad? ||1|| (Ang 1349)

Guru Sahib taught that everyone came from the same source of light and it is the same light that pervades in the entire creation. While Waheguru has no particular form of His own, all forms originated from Him and therefore all forms belong to Him. Since Waheguru is omnipresent and all pervading nothing in the creation is without Him. Therefore, he is Sargun i.e. everything including all life forms and attributes belong to Him.

He is the life of the soul in each and every soul; He permeates and pervades each and every heart. (Ang 1273)

Thus, it is clear now that the word Sargun refers to creation of Waheguru. When in Gurbaani it says “He Himself is formless and also formed”, “creating Himself” or “fashioning Himself” it refers to creation because He is the creator and resides within the creation. It means that God Himself manifested Himself from His Nirgun (invisible) form, which forever existed, to his Sargun (visible) form.

people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt. The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause|| (Ang 1349)

This whole world which you see is the image of the Lord; only the image of the Lord is seen. By Guru's Grace, I understand, and I see only the One Lord; there is no one except the Lord. (Ang 922)

Guru Sahib saw Waheguru residing in every heart and in every form of creation. This is why He rejected empty rituals like hajj and facing a certain direction during prayers. God is not limited to one direction nor does He reside at one particular place. He is everywhere and everything belongs to Him. Now, it is clear that the word Sargun refers to the creation in which we can see and realize Waheguru and His wondrous miracles.

Words “Nirankar” and “Ik Oankar” are not contradictory at all. Here is why:

Nir (without) Akaar (form) – Waheguru is without any form.

Ik (One) Oan (Brahm or God) Kar (without changes) – One God who has stayed the same, is the same and will always be the same. In other words, He doesn’t change over time. His powers, characteristics and existence are beyond time and forever and ever.

Both words convey the same meanings. First word says that Waheguru is formless and has no particular form of His own. Second word means that He is One and has existed forever and does not change over time. He is One universal creator. Therefore, the contradiction does not exist. Muslims are simply confused or trying to find flaws in flawless path, Sikhi, which is an impossible feat.

The moghul empire ultimately collapsed. Any empire built on murder, rape and forceful conversions will ultimately fail. Good will always prevail. Our paintings in gurdwaras depict our rich history, which are very proud of. They are not there to breed hatred within sikhs towards muslims. They are to remind us of our history, to remind us of the sacrifices our ancestors made. And they are to inspire us to become better human beings.

Sikhism is a unique faith. If you live the sikh way of life this will become apparent. please read the folowig three links

summary of distinctions

http://www.searchsikhism.com/distinct.html

Differences with hinduism

http://www.searchsikhism.com/hinduism.html

Differences with islam

http://www.searchsikhism.com/islam.html

you are extremely right brother

but is there any 0ne to explain this?

How can God Create himself?According to Guru Nanak Dev, he claims that “God himself told me that he is self-created”.

How can God be subject to laws and constraints of his own creation? Concepts such as time, form, shape, etc, are constructs of God. As an unlimited entity, how can God be subject to limited constraints, such as “creating”.

Surely, as God, he is outwith all such concepts. To ask how God is “made” is to misunderstand what God is.

tc

peace

<> siq nwmu krqw purKu inrBau inrvYru Akwl mUriq AjUnI sYBM gur pRswid ]

ik oa(n)kaar sath naam karathaa purakh nirabho niravair akaal moorath ajoonee saibha(n) gur prasaadh ||

One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace ~

] jpu ]

|| jap ||

Chant And Meditate:

Awid scu jugwid scu ]

aadh sach jugaadh sach ||

True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.

hY BI scu nwnk hosI BI scu ]1]

hai bhee sach naanak hosee bhee sach ||1||

True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. ||1||

[Matheen]

you are extremely right brother

but is there any 0ne to explain this?

How can God Create himself?According to Guru Nanak Dev, he claims that “God himself told me that he is self-created”.

Where did Guru Ji claim that?

You're thinking of creation from the point of view of a human, seeing yourself as the body and the physical world you see around yourself.

God is self-existant, (English translations mess things up): was, is and will forever be.

[peacentdisease]

Where did Guru Ji claim that?

You're thinking of creation from the point of view of a human, seeing yourself as the body and the physical world you see around yourself.

God is self-existant, (English translations mess things up): was, is and will forever be.

MY DEAR BROTHER

if u get a perfect translations of english this will be the same

i will tell u from one of the verses

people, O Siblings of Destiny, do not wander deluded by doubt. The Creation is in the Creator, and the Creator is in the Creation, totally pervading and permeating all places. ||1||Pause|| (Ang 1349)

WHAT I THINK IS EVERY RELIGION AND EVERY FOLLOWER TRIES TO PROTECT AND DEFEND THEMSELF..

SO WE SHOULD RESEARCH ABOUT EVERY RELIGION MUSLIMS ARE NOT ONLY THE ISSUE..

as per wikipedia and few international sites

and as per the surveys islam is the fastest growing religion

and comes christianity..

There must be somthing special and tough in it

why dont we search whats the reason behind it

instead of arguing without any specific knowledge of islam or any other religion..

peace

[Matheen]

Brother,

What's the problem with the verse you quote above? I suspect your concept of God has something to do with it.

Regarding rates of growth of religion: having multiple wives and numerous children with a view to filling the world certainly helps growth rates. Also, religions actively seeking out converts, in fact geared only to increasing their numbers in a bid to boost egos, will have high rates of conversion. Not to mention teachings that allow lies when performing Dawa'h.

Soil is more widespread than diamonds......

Regards.

[peacentdisease]

"THE CREATION IS IN THE CREATOR AND THE CREATOR IS IN THE CREATIONS"

(what does this means -what ever things are created are in the creator(GOD) and vice versa the creator(GOD) is in the creation"..how can it be possible??

IF YOU THINK THAT MY MANNER TOWARDS GOD IS DIFFRENT THEN EXPLAIN ME THIS PART

PEACE

[Matheen]

"THE CREATION IS IN THE CREATOR AND THE CREATOR IS IN THE CREATIONS"

(what does this means -what ever things are created are in the creator(GOD) and vice versa the creator(GOD) is in the creation"..how can it be possible??

IF YOU THINK THAT MY MANNER TOWARDS GOD IS DIFFRENT THEN EXPLAIN ME THIS PART

PEACE

It's saying that God is omni-present, everywhere, all powerful, we can not hide from God. In reality, there is only God.

Abrahamic religions, for the most part, see God as a distinct being looking down at us from some place else. This concept is different to the way most Eastern religions view God. The exceptions are some branches of Shia Islam, which share a similar view that God is omni present.

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