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Astral    2

I don't eat meat nor do i drink.. i stopped a long time ago.

I'm not amritdhari, so i don't do paat every morning etc.. But i do keep my dhari etc, i wear a blue dastaar (personally i like tying it more than the normal black ones, even though it makes me looks more religious than i actually am lol)

Can i wear a Kirpan then .. Cuz i thought of this, i can wear Kara/Khanga etc, even if i did eat meat (get paahp i know), but wearing a Kirpan would sort of be in the same context kinda (even though i know it has a completely different meaning from the other K's)

I dont eat egg anymore, but i sometimes want to go back.. Cuz i need a lot of protien for my training. (Also the eggs we eat are unfertilized eggs in UK, so they never had a chance of becoming live offspring, in my mind of (science) thats how it works.. and so i think its ok to eat eggs)

So in my opinion all the 5 K's are equal, so wearing one is just the same as the other.

So could i wear a Kirpan and not be amritdhari yet, and what would happen if i ate an egg (even though in my mindset its apparently ok)

P.s. the reason for wearing a Kirpan is this (it may sound stupid, im sorry but hear me out)

I never really bothered with a Kirpan before.. Untill next year in uni, basically i didnt bother looking at housing for next year untill really late, i just with luck found a house with my friends, problem is its in a horrid run down area (20mins walk from uni .. and its to late to back down).. i have to walk through about 2-3 alleys ways to get to my house from uni, and theres graffitti everywhere, i see gangs of idiotic chavs, and genereally i would just fear for my safety walking home at nights thru those alleys, this is where the idea came from.. i need some sort of protection against <banned word filter activated> chavs with knives if they had 1, and Kirpan fits perfectly into my solution, though i pray i never have to use it .. so you see, its a just in case emergency type of thing.. but i dont wanna be putting too much paahp on my self if i did eat egg and carried a kirpan for example

But all in all my priority is 'my lifes safety' it is greater than 'what paahp i can recieve' :/

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TuhiNirankar    17

some ppl wear a kirpan be4 they take amrit and the est of the kakkars to get used to the lifestyle and keeping the kakkars on their body,

start wearing a sarbloh kirpan it will feel amazing,but pleasse refrain from the 4 bujjar kurehits--eating meat, drinking, cuting hair and commiting adultery

wear it if u are a sehajdhari,

once u wear a kirpan its makin an outside statement that i am Guru Gobind Singh jis son,

so u kno wut i mean, like if u going to parties clubs bars, its no longer acceptable.

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I am going to sound a bit harsh but aren't there other ways to protect yourself? If you want to wear a kirpan before you take amrit so you could fix your rehat to take amrit, it would be perfectly fine. I just don't think you should wear a kirpan because of safety only. ( I know your trying to justifie it but even your own comments are saying safety is the biggest reason, until waheguru is your biggest reason, you aren't ready to wear the kirpan ). There are other means to protect yourself. so why this one? Unless you are ready to commit yourself to waheguru and that is the reason you wear a kirpan, you have no reason to wear it. And even if you do wear a kirpan it well not hold the same meaning as the 5 ks Guru Gobind Singh Ji gave us. It well just be a knife. sorry don't mean to hurt anyone feelings.

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buddasingh    215

A kirpan is for the person wishing to give his/her head, not for a person looking to save his/her a**.

If you are concerned about your safety and are intent on carrying something, and without commenting on the legality or wisdom in such an approach, you can can carry a hammer, a bat, a tire iron, a large screw driver, plastic gun (keep it hidden if the other guy has a real one) etc. You sure a bicep tattoo won't suffice? You can also get a job, or a more shifts etc. and move to a better neighborhood.

If all 5ks are equal, then it follows for a sehajdhari that every kakkar requires equal respect and consideration as to your purpose in making it part of you.

Kudos to you for coming as far as you have. In sum, you deserve to develop a better relationship with the kirpan than what you propose.

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hkaurP    29

I have to agree with the above two posts. I am not an Amritdhari yet and I still believe that you cannot get such an important kakkar without giving your head, You can carry a pocket knife, pepper spray, or just regular knife. Why a Kirpan?

Makes no sense to me.

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P.s. the reason for wearing a Kirpan is this (it may sound stupid, im sorry but hear me out)

I never really bothered with a Kirpan before.. Untill next year in uni, basically i didnt bother looking at housing for next year untill really late, i just with luck found a house with my friends, problem is its in a horrid run down area (20mins walk from uni .. and its to late to back down).. i have to walk through about 2-3 alleys ways to get to my house from uni, and theres graffitti everywhere, i see gangs of idiotic chavs, and genereally i would just fear for my safety walking home at nights thru those alleys, this is where the idea came from.. i need some sort of protection against <banned word filter activated> chavs with knives if they had 1, and Kirpan fits perfectly into my solution, though i pray i never have to use it .. so you see, its a just in case emergency type of thing.. o much paahp on my self but i dont wanna be putting toif i did eat egg and carried a kirpan for example

But all in all my priority is 'my lifes safety' it is greater than 'what paahp i can recieve' :/

never bothered with kirpan? bothered? why bother yourself with it now?

kirpan fits perfectly into my solution? are we suppose to change for waheguru or does he change for us? i am confused please explain.

o much paahp on my self but i dont wanna be putting toif i did eat egg and carried a kirpan for example? you have no self control, are you ready to carry a weapon, if that is how you view a kirpan. you can trust yourself not to eat eggs with kirpan on but you can trust yourself not to raise kirpan for very little thing? We always use kirpan as last resort, have you tried other ways to solve problem?

But all in all my priority is 'my lifes safety' it is greater than 'what paahp i can recieve' :/? the right to wear kirpan is earned by giving your head, you just admited you ain't ready to do that. please find a different something to protect yourself with.

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Singhstah    282

keep it is a shastar, don't worry, just dont wear it outside or show it to others as that would give the impression you are amritdhari which you shouldn't do (especially as you eat meat at the moment). As long as you don't do this I don't see any problem with you wearing it as a shastar. I would say if you wore it it might be the same in shape as other kirpans, but in principle I think its no longer a kirpan but a shastar, so no problemo. I would suggest this one, its actually useable and it doesn't matter its not sarbloh because ur not wearing it as kakkar (although sarbloh does have a lot of shakti) khalsakirpans.com artisan kirpan. Its pricey but better than the blunt stuff you get at gurdwarae.

Guru Mahraj does not want us walking around like sheep whoever we are, one of the main points of the Khalsa revolution in the 1600s was to give everyone the chance to defend themselves, the mughals wanted shastars for only mughals and now amritdharis should certainly not follow suit and keep shastars from those still getting there, your life is worth as much as any amritdharis.

*I do not suggest the use of a kirpan in any situation

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Mehtab Singh    3,888

I started wearing all 5 kakaars 9 weeks before I took Amrit, to get used to wearing them forever. If you've made up your mind to take Amrit in the very near future, its best to start practicing the Gursikh lifestyle. However, if you're not sure that you'll take Amrit, or when you'll take it, then avoid it for now and give yourself some more time till you are totally certain.

Just my thoughts

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TuhiNirankar    17

dagger%20flame%20ebony-damascus%20collab.%20ray%20smith.JPGI reccomend u get a blade or dagger, i have seen like small ones so maybe same size as a 6 inch kirpan, and u can get it with a belt that goes around your waist,,, iv seen a nihung singh with a dagger + belt on his thigh,,

So it only makes sense for u to wear kirpan if ur gonna stop eating meat and drinking,

Its simple, either u are a sehajdhari-practising sikh, or your still unsure,, in that case dont wear the kirpan, it is Guru Sahibs Beloved gift to his Khalsa-- and it must be kept with utmost respect, so if u eat meat then u touch ur kirpan as to move it to the side, ur doing beadbi straight up.

Go with what state of mind u are in right now, then u can build up ur confidence and strength to become a real sher(Lion) and proudly wear a kirpan on the outside as a symbol of love for your Guru and that u will not tolerate injustice !

i hope u the best veere!

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Cisco_Singh    547

There is little point carrying a shastar if you dont have the training or knowedge on how to use it...in the case of a knife..your more likely to have it taken off you and having it used on you...You do realise should you stab someone with a shastar and not be able to prove justifiable force or self defecne...your likely to go to jail..Hence if you dont know the weapon and it's limitations, uses, boundaries...dont carry one.

Before you carry shastar learn how to respect the shastar, take up the relevant training. You can even use a reasonably large kara as a shastar doesnt have to be a knife, you can use keys...slyh etc.

I recommend you learn self defence and self preservtion, 1stly why cant you find an alternative safer route home through entries..where you know your more likely to end up in a situation...even if the other way is longer...if it's safer use it.

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alias    127

But all in all my priority is 'my lifes safety' it is greater than 'what paahp i can recieve' :/

you wont be safe at all here or after if u do paap cus u will kamaa karam. we are here to bhorg karam..

kirpaan is generally the last kakaar that one is blessed with... if you are an abhlakhee (a dude thas preparing to take amrit or is read to take amrit), then u can.

for training, whey protien is the best. better than any meat and egg.. look it up.. all good shakes are going toward whey protien..

soz but its not ok to eat eggs. we are not here to harvest what we can from this world, and to try n get around the rules set by guru ji and our religon, but to come under hukam and follow the hukam.

we as sikhs do not rather, should not indulge in the pleasures of anything apart from aatamak ras cus every other ras is fika (tasteless).

if u wear a kirpaan for that reason, its not a kirpan. the actual word kirpaan means somthing u no - hopefully u will find it out for yourself.

you may get the dagger taken off you. what id do is carry somthing on my back, under my cloaths. or, jus make them ur mates but dont hang with them - it is possible!.

the kirpaan is to stand up against opression, not idol people that hurt ones ego. besides im sure that if it is more than 1 person in the gang, then u will find it hard to defete them and!, the last thing u wana do is provoke these kinda ppl..

know all the idiots and 'hard nuts' but, do NOT get into silly company or hang with them for longer.... uni is good for 'networking', but DO NOT GO OFF THE PATH!

it is possible....

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mohinder pal    114

Puran GurSikhs like Bhai Gurdas ji, Bhai Kaniyeha Ji, Bhai NandLal ji didnot get Amrit di Daat from Panj Pyare during Dasam Pitaji's Time. Bcz if They would have got Amrit, There name should have been Bhai Gurdas SInghji, Bhai Kanihaa Singh ji or Bhai Nand Singhji. Nor they wore Kirpans and Shasters.

WHY DIDNOT THEY RECIEVE AMRIT DI DAAT and SHASHTERDHARI????

Bcz they were Puran Brhamgyanis. They had Braham Drishti. They saw Braham(Akal Purakh di Jot) Even in Enemies. So They were Naam Abiyasias Sikhs who did Suneha manea man kita bhao. Antar ghat thirath mal naao.

So there are some Facts in Sikh History which we would never understand,'Why Guruji Did this?'. That is why Bani Says ' Tu Beant kau Virla Jane, Gurprasad kao Shabad Pashane'

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SunSingh    277

ACtually, I believe they did take Amrit. But sometimes you have more than one singh with the same name. So they were known by their earlier names to differentiate them. There's Bhai Gurdass (from 5th gurus time) and Bhai Gurdass Singh from 10th gurus time.

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mohinder pal    114

As i Said SUN SINGH JI ,

there are some Facts in Sikh History which we would never understand,'Why Guruji Did this?'. That is why Bani Says ' Tu Beant kau Virla Jane, Gurprasad kao Shabad Pashane'.

1. If we read Sikh History, On One side Few SIkhs are telling 5th Patshahi that Guruji should accept the Wedding Proposal of Chandu shah's Daughter beacuse Chandu Shah was the main Powerholder in Lahore. If we Donot accept the Proposal, He would Create problems for Guruji in Lahore. And on Other Side Lahore Sikhs are telling that ,;Guruji Donot Accept this Wedding Proposal, He Had insulted you'.

And we can see How Guruji accepted the Command of Lahore SIkhs and Didnot accept the Wedding Proposal and what all happened Afterwards.

2. Guru Arjun Dev ji Could have given the blessings for the Son to Mata Gangaji but Guruji Said,'Goto Baba Buddha ji to reicve the Boon for Son'

3. On One Side Guru Gobiind singh ji Said,' Sikho Wait for Half an Hour in Chamkaur di Gari[During Chamkaur di Jang] and I would Give Entrie Khalsa Raaj to you' and on one side 5 Payares give command to Guruji to Leave Chamkaur di Gari(Protection of Guruji).

4. One Side Guru Gobind singh ji Sache Patshah wanted to Kill Aurangzeb and Eliminate Moguls from Punjab. Guru Gobind singh ji went to Nanded and Ordered Baba Banda Bahadur to Eliminate the Raaj of Moguls from Punjab and Delhi. And On other side Guru Gobind singh ji gave Raj Tilak to Shah Jahan(Son of Auranzeb) and Shahjahan told Guruji,' Banda Bahadur is Creating Disaster for Moguls'. Guruji Replied to Shahjahan,' Donot Worry. Ohhda Kam Hojayega' and Sikh History is the Evidence that How Baba Banda Bahadur was Killed because He didnot |Follow 3 Khaas bachans of Guruji.

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hkaurP    29

4. One Side Guru Gobind singh ji Sache Patshah wanted to Kill Aurangzeb and Eliminate Moguls from Punjab. Guru Gobind singh ji went to Nanded and Ordered Baba Banda Bahadur to Eliminate the Raaj of Moguls from Punjab and Delhi. And On other side Guru Gobind singh ji gave Raj Tilak to Shah Jahan(Son of Auranzeb) and Shahjahan told Guruji,' Banda Bahadur is Creating Disaster for Moguls'. Guruji Replied to Shahjahan,' Donot Worry. Ohhda Kam Hojayega' and Sikh History is the Evidence that How Baba Banda Bahadur was Killed because He didnot |Follow 3 Khaas bachans of Guruji.

Uhmm Shah Jahan was Auranzeb's father. Auranzeb's son was Bahadur Shah.

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