Bhagat Singh And The Truth

[Mehtab Singh]

Remembering this Shaheed whose sacrifice and ideals are belittled if not forgotten in today's day and age, and who has been misunderstood to have left his physical body as an atheist, whereas truth is evident that he died in Sikhi saroop.

[hkaurP]

Sorry for my ignorance but he wasn't an athiest?

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

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I have limited knowledge about him but from what ive read and heard yeah he was an atheist. Maafi for saying this Mehtab Veerjeo but there is a difference between being in a 'Sikhi saroop' and being a sikh. Saroop without backup of Gurmat is nothing but a bhekh, a disguise.

Why I am an atheist - Bhagat Singh

[Militant Singh]

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=1392868031375&ref=ss

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Uzc0FT7qM

teri foto kyun ni lagdi nota t'he (bhagat singh)

[S1ngh]

Bhagat Singh was an atheist in the beginning and before going to jail. After meeting Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh ji, he changed a lot and kept strict discipline in sikhi terms. His last wish before death sentence was to take Amrit from Panj piyaray, which eventually was turned down by British officials.

There needs to be more research on this topic. The infamous letter supposed to be by Bhagat Singh is not confirmed genuine by anyone (Maybe he did wrote it but from strong sources it is very true that he was changed man later on). Keeping in mind, during those days.. Arya Samaj was on defensive mode and wanted to destroy sikh dharam after being beaten down by Singh Sabha Lehar.

[.- Prabhjot Singh -.]

wow i didnt know that.. sorry for posting the above message!

[Militant Singh]

wasnt bhagat singh also a fan of tht evil lala jagat naryan anti sikh ,maybe thts y he was an athiest b4 and thn chnged afta meeting bhai sahib

[S1ngh]

No problem pjs... I too first believed that bhagat singh was just another typical person but after reading his autobiography and other related books of that time, it made me think that "something seems to be wrong somewhere.."

wasnt bhagat singh also a fan of tht evil lala jagat naryan anti sikh ,maybe thts y he was an athiest b4 and thn chnged afta meeting bhai sahib

I believe that lala jagat narayan was the product of 70's and bhagat singh was in 20's/30's..

[Mehtab Singh]

wasnt bhagat singh also a fan of tht evil lala jagat naryan anti sikh ,maybe thts y he was an athiest b4 and thn chnged afta meeting bhai sahib

You are talking about Lala Lajpat Rai, who according to some sources was anti Sikh, although I am not sure about it.

Bhagat Singh was not an atheist when he was a shaheed. Please listen to this audio recording recited by Bhai Amardeep Singh Amar from Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh ji's autobiography Jail Chithhiyaan where he details about his conversation with Bhagat Singh: http://www.ikatha.co...l_Mulaakaat.mp3

pjs veerji, as far as that article is concerned, a stupid like me tried to refute the atheist argument some 7 years ago...here is what I wrote...and back then even I didn't know that Bhagat Singh had returned to Sikhi. This is only a paragraph from the entire write up.

Many people are probably unaware of the fact that Bhagat Singh was an atheist. He had read a lot about Bakunin, Lenin, Trotsky and other social revolutionaries of that era who were from other parts of the world and who were also atheists. He believed that it was better to giveup ones life for ones country without any selfish desire, rather than expecting reincarnation as a king in the next life in case one believed in rebirth, or looking forward to enjoying sexual maidens in paradise for those who disregarded the rebirth theory and looked upon life as a one-time offer. He thus called his sacrifice as totally selfless without even the least bit of desire for personal pleasure, even if it was meant to be procured after death. I have myself had a chance to read his article entitled Why I am atheist. Although Bhagat Singh makes a brilliant attempt in clarifying why he was an atheist, I have a feeling that his atheism was more circumstantial than a strongly held notion. The reason I call it circumstantial is because from this article of his,he seems to have been frustrated at the way the British were treating Indians in their own country. He questioned the existence of God by demanding the Almighty's intervention in giving the British a sense to leave India. That never happened on it's own, resulting in his becoming a disbeliever. Now since I call it circumstantial, I beg to be apologized for putting but one question here: What if India wasn't under British rule? Even if it was, what if independence was achieved before Bhagat Singh lost his faith? Would he still go on to become an atheist? The answer most probably would not be yes, even though I don't rule out its possibility. But hey, this is just a personal opinion. Even though I am not an atheist, I can still be wrong and don't hesitate to stand corrected.

[Mehtab Singh]

There needs to be more research on this topic. The infamous letter supposed to be by Bhagat Singh is not confirmed genuine by anyone (Maybe he did wrote it but from strong sources it is very true that he was changed man later on). Keeping in mind, during those days.. Arya Samaj was on defensive mode and wanted to destroy sikh dharam after being beaten down by Singh Sabha Lehar.

http://www.tapoban.o...orum/read.php?1,253,253#msg-253

correct date please Posted by: Mehtab Singh (IP Logged) Date: October 04, 2007 11:47AM

According to Jail Chithiyaan, Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh ji met Bhagat Singh on October 4, 1930, which was exactly 77 years ago from today as today its October 4, 2007. Bhagat Singh wrote an article "Why I am an atheist" and the date given is October 5-6, 1930. I ran a number of searches on Google and a number of sources have the date as October 5-6, 1930. Certain sources also say that Bhai Sahib lost his temper and failed to convince Bhagat Singh, and said to him "You are giddy with fame and have developed and ago which is standing like a black curtain between you and the God". It is believed that Bhagat Singh wrote "Why I am an atheist" in response to Bhai Sahib.

I need the correct date as to when did Bhagat Singh actually wrote that article, as the media and historians use their dates to discredit Bhai Sahib. Jail Chithiyaan states the meeting took place on October 4, 1930, and so the article should have been written before that date, not after as what has been fed to the world.

Re: correct date please Posted by: Mehtab Singh (IP Logged) Date: October 05, 2007 05:09AM

Anyone have any idea about the date? I am asking because this is something which is of concern. Bhai Sahib says it was October 4, 1930 at 6:00 PM, and most other sources on Bhagat Singh, some of which don't even his meeting with Bhai Sahib have the date of Bhagat Singh's article as October 5-6, 1930. There is a clear contradiction and we have to find a real date that should be before October 5-6, 1930, otherwise those guys can get away with their argument that Bhai Sahib failed to convince him, and so Bhagat Singh wrote his article on atheism the very next day after he met Bhai Sahib.

So please understand the seriousness of the contradiction and find me the actual date.

Re: correct date please Posted by: kulbir singh (IP Logged) Date: October 05, 2007 11:55AM

If Jail Chithiaan is saying that date is October 4 then what can we say. What we can question is that date Communists claim the article to have been written. How do they know that the date is the night of Oct 5 and 6?

One striking thing about Bhagat Singh's last days is that his hair were six inches long. Why would an atheist grow hair? If he did not believe in Sikhi why did he not cut his hair? The granthi who performed the last rites of Bhagat Singh said in a statement that Bhagat Singh's hair were 6 inches long when he died.

What Bhai Sahib has written about Bhagat Singh in Jail Chithiaan book cannot be false because Bhai Sahib was a Sachiyaar (honest, truthful) Sikh who would never write anything false. Bhai Sahib has mentioned that Bhagat Singh agreed in the end that he would never die i.e. Bhagat Singh expressed his belief in aatma (soul). Are we suggesting that Bhai Sahib was lying? No one would dare say that Bhai Sahib used to lie.

One one hand Bhai Sahib has written naming Bhagat Singh and on the other hand Bhagat Singh has not mentioned Bhai Sahib's name. How can the Communists claim that in his article, "Why I am an Atheist", Bhagat Singh is indeed talking about Bhai Sahib? How can they be so sure that the article was written on the night of Oct 5th? Bhagat Singh has not mentioned this in his article. So how do they know about the date. Bhagat Singh has not named Bhai Sahib in his article. Then how can they claim that he is referring to Bhai Sahib?

Kulbir Singh

Re: correct date please Posted by: Mehtab Singh (IP Logged) Date: October 05, 2007 03:33PM

You have some strong points Bhai Kulbir Singh ji. I read "Why I am an atheist" a long time back, and yes you are right it doesn't mention Bhai Sahib anywhere. Bhagat Singh was martyred on the evening of March 23, 1931, which is more than 5 months after he met Bhai Sahib, so he obviously stopped cutting his kesh after meeting Bhai Sahib. Another striking fact is that he admitted to Bhai Sahib that he was an atheist, and since he experienced a transformation after meeting Bhai Sahib on October 4, 1930, the next day October 5, 1930 which is when he supposedly wrote "Why I am an atheist" doesn't make sense and is contradictory.

Thank you for shedding light

Re: correct date please Posted by: Khalsaspirit (IP Logged) Date: October 05, 2007 03:33PM

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Khalsa jio,

There were efforts by those INAKLAB ZINDABADI (COM NASHAT) groups to discredit Bhai Sahib's meeting. We think reason was not to discredit the Bhai Sahib but to Shaheed Bhagt Singh's admittance for his mistake. If at time Bhagat Singh's admittance would had become popular then COM NASAT's were in fear of revolt within the party so they raised this proganda with their popular media. Any way truth can not be hide.

We also read in a news paper about 2 years ago that the meeting was also confirmed by a british historian. We do not have that specifics for this news now, We think we should realy keep that news. Earth is round, we will get that information again. Bottom line is stay away from propaganda and trust in Bhai Sahib and Shaheed Bhagat Singh.

Guru Mehar Karay

Waheguru ji ka khalsa

Waheguru ji ki fateh

Re: correct date please Posted by: Mehtab Singh (IP Logged) Date: October 08, 2007 01:00PM

One Gurmukh pyara on Sikhsangat forum posted this:

Sahib Magazine, (a punjabi magazine published from the UK) had a special issue commerating Bhagat Singhs Shaheedi in March 2007. According to the Articles by people in that Bhagat Singh NEVER wrote that article.

According to the article, There was a deal with Gandhi and the British to release all Political prisoners from jail. The Britsh however did not class Bhagat Singh as a political prisoner but as a terrorist (throwing bombs in assembly and the murder of sanders)!! As a terrorist He was not allowed any facilities which were available to political prisoners. These included books, paper writing material.

Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh WAS a political Prisoner. They mention that political prisoners who were allowed these facilities, including themself, still had their letters censored, books seized and writing materials taken away. The theory goes that Bhagat Singh did not write that article or any other as he was not allowed to!!! Instead, Comrades (Communists) who planned to outline Bhagat Singh as one of them and a follower of Arya Samaj wrote these articles and used Bhagat singh's name!! (Just so you know, communists don't believe in God)

According to Sources, Bhagat Singh accepted his mistake for cutting his hair and after meeting Bhai Sahib Bhai Randhir Singh Ji, Bhagat Singh decided to grow his hair back!!

Hope this helps...At the end of the day, this MAY just be a theory!!!

Re: correct date please Posted by: Death (IP Logged) Date: October 10, 2007 02:13AM

Haven't you guys read the book? Bhagat Singh began believing in God after Bhai sahib ji convinced him. Bhagat singh also realised the bhai sahib ji had seen God so he too starting believing in Him.

The reason he didn't wear kakaars was because Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji told him to remain like that. Why? he was an athiest, and bhai sahib ji knew that the kakaars will do nothing for him if he did not believe in God - Guru Gobind Singh explains this, that without being pure internally, by keeping the internal rehit, the outer rehit is nothing. Guru Ji gives an example of this by placing a tiger skin on a donkey and sending it into a village.

Anyway, Bhai Sahib ji then knew that he would have to convince him to believe in God, and so he did. It is explained in the book that bhagat ji went into a trance, went for bhai sahib's feet but then fell unconscious. When he awoke he finally believed in God, a afterlife, and the existence of a soul. Bhai Sahib ji finally told him that he will be reborn as a human.