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Hey guys,

I found out there there is a 3ho or Gora Singh yoga center in downtown vancouver, what is your take on yoga.

I was thinking of learning it actually, and try to get more flexible and stuff. Has anyone heard of caperio as well?

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my opinion of yoga.

its just like meditation really. simran, but just in different positions. i guess yoga can tackle your kaam, krodh, lobh, moh and ahnkar.

yoga keeps you calm. and to be calm is what you need to be a true gursikh.

i say its good.

go for it.

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I think yoga is good to do, relieves the stress in the body and you can do sit and do meditation for alot longer becuase there is no nagging stresses in the body. If you do yoga before meditation you will also find that your mind does not wander around nearly s much as it used to.

I don't know about 3HO yoga though, I heard that is not real Kundalini yoga.

Personally I don't need to go to yoga classes, all I need is my dvd player and a few dvds:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...?v=glance&s=dvd

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...?v=glance&s=dvd

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Sat Sri Akal:

Good exercise and means to get flexibility.

Assocation with Sikhism: None.

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the 3ho kud... wat ever i cant spell, yoga has spread to the UK . never been cause it was for women. even if it hadnt im to lazy any way :wub: @

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

yoga will not help u against kaam krodh lobh moh and hankar

yoga will help u in fexibilty

it will not get u to sach khand

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

yoga will not help u against kaam krodh lobh moh and hankar

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

Correction, it can certainly assist you in controlling your mind, The mind is where all of those 5 desires lie. It is simply breating exercises which center your mind into calmness and composure. Its relaxes your body. If done with great effort, it certain can be a Great aid in doing Simran and other meditational Techniques.

but remember Yoga is not only for the purpose of exercise, it has other great benefits which are equal to doing meditation..given that it is being done correctly with the right technique.

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According to gurmat (I have talked to many many singhs about this) it is perfectly fine in the sense of a way to excercise, stretch and calm the mind. Anything beyond that, ie using it as a way to meditate, is manmat. Why? because guru sahib has taught us the true way of meditation and puts down the yogic meditations repeatedly in gurbani.

One can use gurmat meditation, ie naam simran, while doing yogic excercises but one cannot use yogic meditation as it will be fruitless.

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

mkhalsa hit it right on the spot

simran and bani and sewa can defeat 5 doots

not yoga

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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According to gurmat (I have talked to many many singhs about this) it is perfectly fine in the sense of a way to excercise, stretch and calm the mind. Anything beyond that, ie using it as a way to meditate, is manmat. Why? because guru sahib has taught us the true way of meditation and puts down the yogic meditations repeatedly in gurbani.

One can use gurmat meditation, ie naam simran, while doing yogic excercises but one cannot use yogic meditation as it will be fruitless.

The Gurus do not speak ill of Yoga, but they speak Ill of the Practioners of Yoga (the Yogis) who are lost in their ego of being a Yogi by mere symbols or by simply the actions of a yogi.

gauVI mhlw 5 ] 

Gauree, Fifth Mehl: 

gaVI mhlw 5 ] 

ga-orhee mehlaa 5. 

   

jog jugiq suin AwieE gur qy ] 

I came to the Guru, to learn the Way of Yoga.

jog jugiq suin AweAo gur qy ] 

jog jugat sun aa-i-o gur tay. 

   

mo kau siqgur sbid buJwieE ]1] rhwau ] 

The True Guru has revealed it to me through the Word of the Shabad. ||1||Pause||  mo ka siqgur sbid buJweAo ]1] rhw

a ] 

mo ka-o satgur sabad bujhaa-i-o. ||1|| rahaa-o.

gauVI mhlw 1 ] 

Gauree, First Mehl: 

gaVI mhlw 1 ] 

ga-orhee mehlaa 1. 

   

AiDAwqm krm kry qw swcw ] 

Those who live a spiritual lifestyle - they alone are true. 

AiDAwqm kmé kry qw swcw ] 

aDhi-aatam karam karay taa saachaa. 

   

mukiq Bydu ikAw jwxY kwcw ]1] 

What can the false know about the secrets of liberation? ||1|| 

mukiq Bydu ikAw jwxY kwcw ]1] 

mukat bhayd ki-aa jaanai kaachaa. ||1|| 

   

AYsw jogI jugiq bIcwrY ] 

Those who contemplate the Way are Yogis.

Eysw jogI jugiq bIcwrY ] 

aisaa jogee jugat beechaarai. 

   

pMc mwir swcu auir DwrY ]1] rhwau ] 

They conquer the five thieves, and enshrine the True Lord in the heart. ||1||Pause||  pNc mwir swcu air DwrY ]1] rhwa ] 

panch maar saach ur Dhaarai. ||1|| rahaa-o. 

   

ijs kY AMqir swcu vswvY ] 

Those who enshrine the True Lord deep within, 

ijs kY ANqir swcu vswvY ] 

jis kai antar saach vasaavai. 

   

jog jugiq kI kImiq pwvY ]2] 

realize the value of the Way of Yoga. ||2|| 

jog jugiq kI kImiq pwvY ]2] 

jog jugat kee keemat paavai. ||2|| 

The Gurus have presented yoga in their own way. It is not to say this is the only way that would be a prematur

e assumption and ignorent on our part.

gur kY bcin kIno rwju jogu ]

Through the Guru`s Word, I practice Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. gur kY bcin kIno rwju jogu ]

gur kai bachan keeno raaj jog.

The Guru's word (his Bachan) are the instructions of a master on the Proper Technique. One must be taught how to do Yoga for it to be fruitfull, Taught by a master who himself is Enlightened.

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

bhai sahib je, go read the entire shabad

dont look at that one line

n BIjY rwgI nwdI byid ]

n bheejai raagee naadhee baedh ||

He is not won over by music, songs or the Vedas.

n BIjY surqI igAwnI joig ]

n bheejai surathee giaanee jog ||

He is not won over by intuitive wisdom, meditation or Yoga.

n BIjY sogI kIqY roij ]

n bheejai sogee keethai roj ||

He is not won over by feeling sad and depressed forever.

n BIjY rUpNØI mwlNØI rMig ]

n bheejai roopa(n)aee maala(n)aee ra(n)g ||

He is not won over by beauty, wealth and pleasures.

n BIjY qIriQ BivAY nµig ]

n bheejai theerathh bhaviai na(n)g ||

He is not won over by wandering naked at sacred shrines.

n BIjY dwqNØI kIqY puMin ]

n bheejai dhaatha(n)aee keethai pu(n)n ||

He is not won over by giving donations in charity.

n BIjY bwhir bYiTAw suMin ]

n bheejai baahar bait(h)iaa su(n)n ||

He is not won over by living alone in the wilderness.

n BIjY ByiV mrih iBiV sUr ]

n bheejai bhaerr marehi bhirr soor ||

He is not won over by fighting and dying as a warrior in battle.

n BIjY kyqy hovih DUV ]

n bheejai kaethae hovehi dhhoorr ||

He is not won over by becoming the dust of the masses.

lyKw ilKIAY mn kY Bwie ]

laekhaa likheeai man kai bhaae ||

The account is w

ritten of the loves of the mind.

nwnk BIjY swcY nwie ]2]

naanak bheejai saachai naae ||2||

O Nanak, the Lord is won over only by His Name. ||2||

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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I have read the entire shabad bhai sahib. Here i'll post the entire verse.

gauVI mhlw 5 ] 

Gauree, Fifth Mehl: 

gaVI mhlw 5 ] 

ga-orhee mehlaa 5. 

   

gur kY bcin moih prm giq pweI ] 

Through the Guru`s Word, I have attained the supreme status.

gur kY bcin moih pmé giq pweé ] 

gur kai bachan mohi param gat paa-ee. 

   

guir pUrY myrI pYj rKweI ]1] 

The Perfect Guru has preserved my honor. ||1|| 

guir pUrY myrI pYj rKweé ]1] 

gur poorai mayree paij rakhaa-ee. ||1|| 

   

gur kY bcin iDAwieE moih nwau ] 

Through the Guru`s Word, I meditate on the Name

gur kY bcin iDAweAo moih nwa ] 

gur kai bachan Dhi-aa-i-o mohi naa-o. 

   

gur prswid moih imilAw Qwau ]1] rhwau ] 

By Guru`s Grace, I have obtained a place of rest. ||1||Pause|| 

gur prswid moih imilAw Qwa ]1] rhwa ] 

gur parsaad mohi mili-aa thaa-o. ||1|| rahaa-o. 

   

gur kY bcin suix rsn vKwxI ] 

I listen to the Guru`s Word, and chant it with my tongue

gur kY bcin suix rsn vKwxI ] 

gur kai bachan sun rasan vakhaanee. 

   

gur ikrpw qy AMimRq myrI bwxI ]2] 

By Guru`s Grace, my speech is like nectar. ||2|| 

;

gur ikrpw qy Amãq myrI bwxI ]2] 

gur kirpaa tay amrit mayree banee. ||2|| 

   

gur kY bcin imitAw myrw Awpu ] 

Through the Guru`s Word, my selfishness and conceit have been removed. 

gur kY bcin imitAw myrw Awpu ] 

gur kai bachan miti-aa mayraa aap. 

   

gur kI dieAw qy myrw vf prqwpu ]3] 

Through the Guru`s kindness, I have obtained glorious greatness. ||3|| 

gur kI deAw qy myrw vf prqwpu ]3] 

gur kee da-i-aa tay mayraa vad partaap. ||3|| 

   

gur kY bcin imitAw myrw Brmu ] 

Through the Guru`s Word, my doubts have been removed. 

gur kY bcin imitAw myrw Brmu ] 

gur kai bachan miti-aa mayraa bharam. 

   

gur kY bcin pyiKE sBu bRhmu ]4] 

Through the Guru`s Word, I see God everywhere. ||4|| 

gur kY bcin pyiKAo sBu bRHäu ]4] 

gur kai bachan paykhi-o sabh barahm. ||4|| 

   

gur kY bcin kIno rwju jogu ] 

Through the Guru`s Word, I practice Raja Yoga, the Yoga of meditation and success. 

gur kY bcin kIno rwju jogu ] 

gur kai bachan keeno raaj jog. 

   

gur kY sMig qirAw sBu logu ]5] 

In the Company of the Guru, all the people of the world are saved. ||5|| 

gur kY sNig qirAw sBu logu ]5] 

gur kai sang tari-aa sabh log. ||5|| 

   

gur kY bcin myry kwrj isiD ] 

Through the Guru`s Word, my affairs are resolved. 

gur kY bcin myry kwrj isiD ] 

gur kai bachan mayray kaaraj siDh. 

   

gur kY bcin pwieAw nwau iniD ]6] 

Through the Guru`s Word, I have obtained the nine treasures. ||6|| 

gur kY bcin pweAw nwa iniD ]6

gur kai bachan paa-i-aa naa-o niDh. ||6|| 

   

ijin ijin kInI myry gur kI Awsw ] 

Whoever places his hopes in my Guru, 

ijin ijin kInI myry gur kI Awsw ] 

jin jin keenee mayray gur kee aasaa. 

   

iqs kI ktIAY jm kI Pwsw ]7] 

has the noose of death cut away. ||7|| 

iqs kI ktIEy jm kI Pwsw ]7] 

tis kee katee-ai jam kee faasaa. ||7|| 

   

gur kY bcin jwigAw myrw krmu ] 

Through the Guru`s Word, my good karma has been awakened

gur kY bcin jwigAw myrw krmu ] 

gur kai bachan jaagi-aa mayraa karam. 

   

nwnk guru ByitAw pwrbRhmu ]8]8] 

O Nanak, meeting with the Guru, I have found the Supreme Lord God. ||8||8|| 

nwnk gu{ ByitAw pwrbRHäu ]8]8] 

naanak gur bhayti-aa paarbarahm. ||8||8||

Awsw mhlw 5 ] 

Aasaa, Fifth Mehl: 

Awsw mhlw 5 ] 

aasaa mehlaa 5. 

   

bwhru Doie AMqru mnu mYlw duie Taur Apuny Koey ] 

He washes outwardly, but within, his mind is filthy; thus he loses his place in both worlds. 

bwh{ Doe ANq{ mnu mYlw due Tar Apuny KoE ] 

baahar Dho-ay antar man mailaa du-ay tha-ur apunay kho-ay. 

   

eIhw kwim k®oiD moih ivAwipAw AwgY muis muis roey ]1] 

Here, he is engrossed in <admin-profanity filter activated> desire, anger and emotional attachment; hereafter, he shall sigh and weep. ||1|| 

eéhw kwim k®oiD moih ivAwipAw AwgY muis muis roE ]

1] 

eehaa kaam kroDh mohi vi-aapi-aa aagai mus mus ro-ay. ||1|| 

   

goivMd Bjn kI miq hY horw ] 

The way to vibrate and meditate on the Lord of the Universe is different. 

goivNd Bjn kI miq hY horw ] 

govind bhajan kee mat hai horaa. 

   

vrmI mwrI swpu n mreI nwmu n suneI forw ]1] rhwau ] 

Destroying the snake-hole, the snake is not killed; the deaf person does not hear the Lord`s Name. ||1||Pause|| 

vrmI mwrI swpu n mreé nwmu n suneé forw ]1] rhwa ] 

varmee maaree saap na mar-ee naam na sun-ee doraa. ||1|| rahaa-o. 

   

mwieAw kI ikriq Coif gvweI BgqI swr n jwnY ] 

He renounces the affairs of Maya, but he does not appreciate the value of devotional worship. 

mweAw kI ikriq Coif gvweé BgqI swr n jwnY ] 

maa-i-aa kee kirat chhod gavaa-ee bhagtee saar na jaanai. 

   

byd swsqR kau qrkin lwgw qqu jogu n pCwnY ]2] 

He finds fault with the Vedas and the Shaastras, and does not know the essence of Yoga. ||2|| 

byd sws» ka qrkin lwgw qqu jogu n pCwnY ]2] 

bayd saastar ka-o tarkan laagaa tat jog na pachhaanai. ||2|| 

   

auGir gieAw jYsw Kotw FbUAw ndir srwPw AwieAw ] 

He stands exposed, like a counterfeit coin, when inspected by the Lord, the Assayer. 

aGir geAw jYsw Kotw FbUAw ndir srwPw AweAw ] 

ughar ga-i-aa jaisaa khotaa dhaboo-aa nadar saraafaa aa-i-aa. 

   

AMqrjwmI sBu ikCu jwnY aus qy khw CpwieAw ]3] 

The Inner-knower, the Searcher of hearts, knows everything; how can we hide anything from Him? ||3|| 

ANqrjwmI sBu ikCu jwnY as qy khw CpweAw ]3] 

antarjaamee sabh kichh jaanai us tay kahaa chhapaa-i-aa. ||3|| 

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kUiV kpit bMic inMmunIAwdw ibnis gieAw qqkwly ] 

Through falsehood, fraud and deceit, the mortal collapses in an instant - he has no foundation at all. 

kUiV kpit bNic inMmunIAwdw ibnis geAw qqkwly ] 

koorh kapat banch nimmunee-aadaa binas ga-i-aa tatkaalay. 

   

siq siq siq nwnik kihAw ApnY ihrdY dyKu smwly ]4]3]42] 

Truly, truly, truly, Nanak speaks; look within your own heart, and realize this. ||4||3||42||

siq siq siq nwnik kihAw ApnY ihrdY dyKu smwly ]4]3]42] 

sat sat sat naanak kahi-aa apnai hirdai daykh samaalay. ||4||3||42|| 

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If one reads all the shabads about yogis, you will realize that guru sahib is describing a gursikh and saying that is a true yogi, much as guru sahib has described a true hindu and a true muslim and it has ended up being the description of a gursikh. But I have seen quite a few lines that say that yogic tantras etc are useless without the true name.

meditational practices of others are useless to us, why would we want to participate in them? we have the true meditational practice, the one that will bring us to sachkhand, to meditate in the ways of others is to deny our own gurmat and proper way. All the other ways are entirely useless. I have tried other ways, and basically they will confuse the heck out of you and really mess up your avastha and simran.

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If one reads all the shabads about yogis, you will realize that guru sahib is describing a gursikh and saying that is a true yogi, much as guru sahib has described a true hindu and a true muslim and it has ended up being the description of a gursikh. But I have seen quite a few lines that say that yogic tantras etc are useless without the true name.
When you say Gursikh are you implying a Sikh (ie: Amritdhari) ? It is not a matter of Majority of line are against yogis then they must be wrong...what of those words that i have posted? Is there a contradiction then or do we lack the knowledge on what the guru is actually are trying to tell us? Can both of them be right?

Also can you please tell me what you think the meaning of True Name is?

meditational practices of others are useless to us, why would we want to participate in them? we have the true meditational practice, the one that will bring us to sachkhand, to med

itate in the ways of others is to deny our own gurmat and proper way. All the other ways are entirely useless. I have tried other ways, and basically they will confuse the heck out of you and really mess up your avastha and simran.

You create your own boundries. It is one thing to follow one single path, but it is another to condemn the other path because it is useless to you. Bro, how is you saying, " All the other ways are entirely useless." any different from a muslim saying the only way to god is to be a Muslim? BTW do you ever eat out like food from different countries and stuff?? The only way i can undesrtand you point is thru this analogy. You can eat out once a while to experience other foods from different cultures. but in the end you always come back to Roti and Daal. The experience you gain from other cultures is just as importan in making you realize the broadness of foods that are available. Just because you are eating roti and daal, does not mean chinese food cannot diminish your hunger....Yes one can choose by their desire or what they feel will benefit them accordingly, but one has no right to say that it cannot dimish your hunger....for YOU it might not work, but it works for the chinese.

As for it confusing the heck out of you, that is dependt upon the individual. Not everyone is confused by Physics...for soem its complete gibersh, for others they enjoy it.

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Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

bhai pheena ke,

i hear wat ure trying to say

but the bottom line is

the only way to please vaheguru je, get sach khand, and mukhti is devition to vaheguuru je with a pure heart through naam simran, bani, sewa

thas wat will get u to vaheguru je

bhula chuka maf

Waheguroo Jee Ka Khalsa!

Waheguroo Jee Kee Fateh!!

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